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Title: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 08, 2006, 05:57:45 PM

HID Lights (Photos & Talk)  Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc


Comparison Photos and Discussion Please 

Share your photos and thoughts...


Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 08, 2006, 06:03:56 PM

RayzorLite Reflector and Bulb Shot

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/rb2.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/rb1.jpg)





Helios Reflector and Bulb Shot

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/h1.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/h2.jpg)


One thing to notice on this shot (thanks Larry) is how the Helios folks made the strike wire almost touching the bulb. They go the wire tight enough to where they have a supper tight hole in the reflector. That means more efficient and MORE lumens out the front end. Nice!


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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 08, 2006, 06:20:56 PM
:popcorn: <--- let me get the popcorn out first 'cause I am sure I can learn more than I can add.  But here goes:

The only HID lamp that I have any direct experience with (at least until my Rayzorlite arrives), is an ACRO X990 pictured here (the one on the bottom) alongside one of the Rayzorlites (thanks Lips for an awesome photo):

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0058Custom.jpg)

For those of you have never handled an X990, here are some features:
1) 35 watt HID
2) 5" reflector
3) Beam can from focus from flood to spot
4) Unit can "tail-stand", and the head of the light can pivot 90 degrees.
5) Color temp is nice and warm - this is no blue-light special! :rotflmao: (I know I am laughing at my own joke)

The light is bright, and the price was right.  After PP fee ($25), delivery via USPS (another $30 insured), the actual light, and an extra battery, I paid right around $360 for the package with plastic storage case.  The case will hold the light, and extra battery, and the charger.  Aside from impressing your neighbors and boring the significant other, the light has a lot of PRACTICAL uses.  Due to the angled head and ability to table/floor stand, I have used the light a number of times to add additional lighting to work in the attic, the basement, or virtually anywhere you need to light up a room.  Of course the light is not perfect - there are many small things I would change - the light uses NiMH - you have to make sure your light is ready to go as NiMH have a higher rate of self discharge.  If the light had Li-IONs, it would be much lighter - but this might actually kill the whole tailstand ability which wins a lot of points in my book.  The light does not have hot-restrike either, but most of the time this hasn't proven to be an issue.  Lastly, the included charger is not universal voltage.  This is a pain, but I think I am soon to receive a charger that could charge the battery pack and leave the original charger up for sale (110V by the way). 

That is all I can think of right now - I know this light is not the "top of the line", but still a good basline light (that is very portable) to judge the "big boyz" from!

Geo
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 09, 2006, 03:11:27 AM
NAW reporting for his flashaholic duty,  8)

I know most people out there aren't interested in 24W but its the only HID light that I have (well soon I'll be getting a better one  :thumbup:)

Hope you guys like the pictures and thoughts though  ;)


Here is a picture of the front of the light... although it may be hard for some of you to see it has a SMO reflector.
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m273/starrynight_03/DSCN5270.jpg)

Here is a picture of the light when its tuned on...as you can see by the color of the beam it has around 6000K color temperature.
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m273/starrynight_03/DSCN5268.jpg)

Here is a small closet getting scorched by 1300 lumens  :o
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m273/starrynight_03/DSCN5267.jpg)

The name of this light is the AE 24W Powerlight.  It puts out 1300 lumens for about 2 hours with several minutes to spare.  It weighs about 2-3Lbs and is bigger than my magcharger but thats not to bad for me.  With the SMO reflector it has rings in the beam that are pretty noticeable, but if you're shining on anything farther than 40-50 ft you probably won't notice it.  It has a 6 degree beam angle which means its a thrower more than flood light.  Word has it that there is a 1800 lumen bulb upgrade coming for this light soon and a instant on-ballast.  And speaking of ballasts I noticed with HID lights that people mention of hearing a techno sound when the ballast fires up.  This ballast is dead silent, you aren't going to hear anything when you fire it up.

So then now to conclude what I said in a different format...

PROS                                                                                                 
-hot re-strike                                                                                                                     
-small (well compared to the other higher watt HID lights)
-2 hour runtime
-only 4 hours recharge time

CONS
-8 second warm up time
-rings in the beam
-high Kelvin temperature(I think 5000K would be nice)

B.T.W. Lips I think that it was a great idea that you started this thread. 

So then that about it for me... so who will be the next person to step in and give beamshots and reviews  :popcorn:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Larry K on October 09, 2006, 09:07:38 AM
Here is a few of mine, sorry about the photography, I'm not very good at it. From the bottom, Polarian Helios, RayzorLite and the XeRay BarnBurner, with there beams on the floor, Helios 40 watts, RayzorLite on low, 32 watts and the 75 watt BarnBurner. The other beam shots are in my workroom, they are the Helios at 40 watts the RayzorLite at 32 watts and the 75 watt BarnBurner. It's hard to see the three beams because they are somewhat blended together. The last shot is of the lowly incandescent LK14.
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7035/l2mm9.jpg)
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3616/l3ou6.jpg)
(http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7763/l1sr8.jpg)(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8941/lk2ir5.jpg)
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8857/lk1go8.jpg)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 09, 2006, 10:08:38 AM
WOW! Those were great shots Larry!  Especially the shot with all the lights on the floor. 

To bad you can't get the Rayzorlite at 50W in the shootout.  I think thats the only problem with the Rayzorlite.  One click on boost gives 4 seconds or having to hold down the boost button for infinite 50W seems kind of annoying.  Out of curiosity is it easy to hold the Rayzorlite and hold down the boost button with only one hand at the same time?

B.T.W. does anybody know if they have to wait a minute to shut off there Razyorlite?  With my AE 24W HID it is recommend to leave it on for a minute to allow the halide salts in the arc tube to atomize.  Does that "leave it on for one minute" rule apply to the Rayzorlite as well?


Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 09, 2006, 10:45:38 AM
Larry K - nice shots - like seeing all three together for reference!

What kind of runtime are you getting on the Helios?
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: blahblahblah on October 09, 2006, 06:44:14 PM
I took these primarily to show how major the difference is between 3 different watt-class HIDs.  It only includes the Helios on your list. 

As most of you know with LEDs, more watts = less lumens per watt.   I wanted to see how HIDs of different watt classes gave more lumens per watt as the lights increased in watt-class.

Here's the lineup:
10w DiveRite HID flashlight at 50L/W (500 lumens per mfg)
24w Darkbuster dive light at 75L/W (1750 lumens per mfg)
40w Helios at 100L/W (4000 lumens per mfg)

(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/3921/dsc00858ua8.jpg)
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2244/dsc00854ev6.jpg)
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/880/dsc00853me6.jpg)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Larry K on October 09, 2006, 06:46:52 PM
NAW, the RayzorLite is very easy to operate using the boost, it is a well thought out light that balances perfectly in your hand. It actually feels lighter than the Helios. Just not very easy to take beamshots in boost mode if your by yourself. I turn mine off and on all the time without waiting. I misplaced my owners manual, but I'm sure I read you can do instant re-strikes with it. Maybe LIPS will chime in and verify this. Geologist, Sorry, I never do runtime tests, most of my lights I just play around with. Here are the weights of the four lights using a very accurate scale. RayzorLite = 3.48 lbs. Helios = 3.02 lbs. BarnBurner = 4.56 lbs and the LK14 = 4.90 lbs.  
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: the goods on October 10, 2006, 12:09:11 AM
Is that the Helios giving these beamshots?

(http://www.photogiga.com/out.php/i23834_dsc00853me6.jpg)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: blahblahblah on October 10, 2006, 01:14:09 AM
Is that the Helios giving these beamshots?

Yes,  it's quite noticeable when white wall hunting, but I didn't really notice it outdoors.  I played w/ the light a bit and rotated it while it was on... The "V" notch seemed to be fluid (maybe melted solids) in the bulb.  If you rotate it, it flows.  These were taken when the light was fresh out of the box.  I think it's reduced now, but still there.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 10, 2006, 02:00:04 AM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on October 10, 2006, 02:33:27 AM
Well, here's my lineup (the only HIDs I have):

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5575/rayzorellie1zi4.jpg)

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3693/rayzorellie2ee1.jpg)

The red one is the Elephant HID.... a 10W HID but is boosted to about 14W, I believe.
The black one is the Rayzorlite ..... 32W HID with a 50W boost feature.

BEAMSHOTS:

Elephant on the left, Rayzorlite on the right (focussed):
(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1473/ellierayzorfocussedwr7.jpg)


Elephant on the left, Rayzorlite on the right (boosted to 50W, focussed):
(http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2815/ellierayzorboostfocussedwz1.jpg)


I would like to add that the beam profile of the Ellie (when focussed) is a perfectly round hotspot with a nice spill.  Much prettier than the Rayzorlite.  Where the Rayzorlite wins is in the total output and overall throw.  Although for a 10W/14W HID, the Ellie holds her own quite well! :thumbup:

Oh yeah....I prefer the warm color temperature of the Rayzor's beam over the cooler temperature of the Ellie's beam.  Both great lights!!!  But I really, really, really love my Ellie!

Donald
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: nemul on October 10, 2006, 03:11:22 AM
you rayzorlite beam looks smooth...  mine's screwed all the way down and is as focused as i can get it.. if a unscrew i get a donut hole
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on October 10, 2006, 03:14:09 AM
you rayzorlite beam looks smooth...  mine's screwed all the way down and is as focused as i can get it.. if a unscrew i get a donut hole

Sounds like its time for you to open her up and adjust the height of your bulb.....
The Rayzorlite should be able to focus to a tight hotspot.

Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: nemul on October 10, 2006, 03:28:02 AM
when you get time can you take some pics of your bulb and reflector? so i can see how far off mine is... :)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 10, 2006, 05:36:03 AM
Does anybody know if the Rayzorlite at 50W and set to its tightest focus can outhrow a Thor 10 million spotlight?
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: tdurand on October 10, 2006, 06:20:19 AM
I finally got time to take some poor photos of the two Xerays I own. The beam shots are from the barnburner .

Major external differences between the two
50 watt Xeray
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00023.jpg)
bottom plate
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00024.jpg)
Rear specs
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00025.jpg)
Barnburner
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00028.jpg)
Switch and battery indicator changed
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00029.jpg)
Plate is more robust
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00030.jpg)
Specs on BB
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00031.jpg)
Outside
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00015-1.jpg)
Inside with same salt wedge
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00019.jpg)
Mac's Torch for reference
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Cptcosmo/DSC00020.jpg)

Two great lights IMO

T
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 10, 2006, 08:49:47 AM
Does anybody know if the Rayzorlite at 50W and set to its tightest focus can outhrow a Thor 10 million spotlight?

Uh - no  a Thor has what a 9" reflector and the RL has 4-4.5"?  Even a $30 thor will outthrow most lights just due to the reflector size....  The Thor (normal and costco HID version) look like lazers due to their reflector size....
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 10, 2006, 09:36:52 AM
Does anybody know if the Rayzorlite at 50W and set to its tightest focus can outhrow a Thor 10 million spotlight?

Uh - no  a Thor has what a 9" reflector and the RL has 4-4.5"?  Even a $30 thor will outthrow most lights just due to the reflector size....  The Thor (normal and costco HID version) look like lazers due to their reflector size....

I hope you guys don't mind if I post a picture from one of the shootouts from the Rayzorlite/Rayzorbeam review?

These pictures were done by LIPS and I just took them from the Review...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Largest/TreeShot3600.jpg)

Just wondering was the Rayzorlite in this shootout set to its default setting( unfocused)?  IF they were unfocused then wouldn't a focused Rayzorlite throw much more farther than the Thor 15 MCP?
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 10, 2006, 09:46:48 AM
Notice how the Thor shots have no spill (well next to no spill) - it is like focusing sunlight with a magnifying glass....
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 10, 2006, 11:46:02 AM



B.T.W. does anybody know if they have to wait a minute to shut off there Razyorlite?  With my AE 24W HID it is recommend to leave it on for a minute to allow the halide salts in the arc tube to atomize.  Does that "leave it on for one minute" rule apply to the Rayzorlite as well?


I wish I knew.   BTW 8 sec on the AE24 is not too bad…





I took these primarily to show how major the difference is between 3 different watt-class HIDs.  It only includes the Helios on your list. 


Any light you want to show is fine (etc).  The Helios from what I hear/see has one of the best if not the best combination Spot - Flood for my taste...   The small hole reflector with the strike wire being close to the bulb is great...





NAW, the RayzorLite is very easy to operate using the boost, it is a well thought out light that balances perfectly in your hand. It actually feels lighter than the Helios. Just not very easy to take beamshots in boost mode if your by yourself. I turn mine off and on all the time without waiting. I misplaced my owners manual, but I'm sure I read you can do instant re-strikes with it. Maybe LIPS will chime in and verify this. Geologist, Sorry, I never do runtime tests, most of my lights I just play around with. Here are the weights of the four lights using a very accurate scale. RayzorLite = 3.48 lbs. Helios = 3.02 lbs. BarnBurner = 4.56 lbs and the LK14 = 4.90 lbs. 

I used a common small trigger clamp from Lowes to put the Rayzors in boost for the beamshots.

Rayzors and Helios have instant restrike. Not sure about waiting before turning them off like the X990 (3 min rec). You’ll notice an in-rush of current at first on these HID’s so probably prudent not to click any of them on and off very quickly…


I believe Helios has a 1.5 hour runtime. About the same as the Xeray 50 (104mins) and the Rayzors on Boost 50w…




Does anybody know if the Rayzorlite at 50W and set to its tightest focus can outhrow a Thor 10 million spotlight?

The test unit in the photos was set to the tightest focus the STIPPLE reflector could give. The large bumps give quite a flood. I did a ceiling bounce test and measured with a light meter less lumen out-put on the RL at 32w vs X990 at 35w. I measured 28% more lumens on the RL on boost (50w) than the X990 (35w). The beam-shots show a good representation of where the lumens are going...

Larry K did a wall-bounce test with a light meter and got 3 X the lumen output with the RayzorLite on Boost vs of the AE 24 watt.   He said the output difference was NOT as noticable visually outside...


Some BeamShot Here      (http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2577.45) Post 1 and Post 56


The 15 Mil Thor and Costco HID with their Huge Reflectors are superior throwers…



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20795/RayzorLongRangeSuperTele795.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Largest/RayzorLongRangeSuperTele3600.jpg)


Click below image for More Pixels and enables windows Zoom Mode to really look down-range

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20795/LongRangeBehind795.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Largest/LongRangeBehind3600.jpg)


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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Larry K on October 10, 2006, 06:07:59 PM
If you compare the RayzorLite v2 on boost to the X990, you can see that most of the lumens of the v2 RayzorLite are on the ground and not the tree. We need a better reflector for our RayzorLites for it to realy shine. The v1 RayzorLite with the smooth reflector looks much better.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 10, 2006, 06:15:17 PM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 10, 2006, 06:38:36 PM
I would like to have both reflectors available - very often the floodier (is that a word?) of the two reflectors is great for me since the light would already reach out to the limits of my vision....

Of course I am hoping my RL shows up tommorow!
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: nemul on October 10, 2006, 10:14:16 PM
yea i want a SMO
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 11, 2006, 01:17:43 AM
yea i want a SMO

Oh yeah and afforadable also! :P  8)


Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Rayzorbeam on October 12, 2006, 02:07:46 AM
yea i want a SMO

Oh yeah and afforadable also! :P  8)




JUST LIKE IN THE SONG: Forum & Rayzor

Good things may come to those who wait---and we hope it will not be too late-- when it is ready for market----- ITwill be very affordable
No commitment regarding time or when it will be available,as we are busy with production of lights at the moment.

We still pondering with the idea of having an Anodized aluminum reflector head or create another plastic injection mold for the reflector heads.
Quantity is the name of the game, and if the volume is not going to be there for that accessory, it will not be economical to go for the molds as the costs are astronomical.

We will update you when we have the Rayzor heads in stock.

Reuv
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 12, 2006, 04:49:30 AM
NAW, the RayzorLite is very easy to operate using the boost, it is a well thought out light that balances perfectly in your hand. It actually feels lighter than the Helios. Just not very easy to take beamshots in boost mode if your by yourself. I turn mine off and on all the time without waiting. I misplaced my owners manual, but I'm sure I read you can do instant re-strikes with it. Maybe LIPS will chime in and verify this. Geologist, Sorry, I never do runtime tests, most of my lights I just play around with. Here are the weights of the four lights using a very accurate scale. RayzorLite = 3.48 lbs. Helios = 3.02 lbs. BarnBurner = 4.56 lbs and the LK14 = 4.90 lbs.  


OK Larry took your recommedation and went by the post office for some scale time; I never thought about doing that. Slipped in some shots after mailing some NSF checks to the DA's office  :evil6:


RayzorLite = 4.14 lbs     RayzorBeam = 4.58 lbs          (I'll weigh my Xeray later as it arrives Friday)



Xeray = 5.62 lbs


Click photos to expand them



Helios

3lbs 9.2 ounces



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_1880.jpg)




RayzorLite

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Small/IMG_0824Small.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0824.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Small/IMG_0825Small.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0825.jpg)



RayzorBeam

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Small/IMG_0826Small.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0826.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Small/IMG_0827Small.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0827.jpg)



Xeray

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Small/IMG_0829FF250x188.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0829.jpg)



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Small/IMG_0830FF250x188.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0830.jpg)


Cheers



. :whip2:     Ruev   Get back to work!


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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 12, 2006, 12:04:00 PM
Cool, Lips!  Now that you've taken photos inside the US postal service, which is a Class B felony, you can slap 'em up right on the wall next to your mug shot!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 12, 2006, 03:25:42 PM
I know I'm in for it...     :o


They even caught me on the monitor taking a package!  But you know babes as Hot as I am don't go to jail.     :icon_smurfin:



:tongue2:
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: EricMack on October 12, 2006, 05:08:36 PM
They even caught me on the monitor taking a package!  But you know babes as Hot as I am don't go to jail.     :icon_smurfin:

You SURE about that?  ;)  Here's Carmen Electra's mug shot after beating up her husband at the time, Dennis Rodman...
(http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/electramug.jpg)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 12, 2006, 06:28:19 PM
That sister must have been dropped on her head as a child. Dennis Rodman,  sheesh
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 12, 2006, 09:19:35 PM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: duff72 on October 13, 2006, 12:19:06 AM
Just got my first H.I.D. its a 24 watt ae powerlite shorty probably wont be able to play with it until tomorrow :blob10: :blob3: :blob10: :blob6: :blob10:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: tonyd on October 13, 2006, 02:48:29 AM
PS Feloney Charges are numericaaly graded not alphabetical ;)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 13, 2006, 06:25:07 AM
PS Feloney Charges are numericaaly graded not alphabetical ;)

Damn, Tony, you blew my cover.  :laughing7:

Gotta agree with Codeman: talk about coflicting signals: the lucky SOB who happened to get arrested and thrown in the slammer the same night as Carmen.  I can see it now: guard comes to the cell to let the poor slob know he's been released on bail and he tells the guard that, really, he doesn't think he's learned his lesson quite yet and a few more hours in lockdown would probably do him good.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 13, 2006, 07:58:46 AM
PS Feloney Charges are numericaaly graded not alphabetical ;)

Damn, Tony, you blew my cover.  :laughing7:

Gotta agree with Codeman: talk about coflicting signals: the lucky SOB who happened to get arrested and thrown in the slammer the same night as Carmen.  I can see it now: guard comes to the cell to let the poor slob know he's been released on bail and he tells the guard that, really, he doesn't think he's learned his lesson quite yet and a few more hours in lockdown would probably do him good.  :laughing7:

:rotflmao: - you better hope Carmen isn't reading this - she's gonna come and felonize ya!
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 13, 2006, 02:15:29 PM


               Harbor Freight HID,  RayzorBeam,  Thor 15 Million,  RayzorLite,  Acro X990,  MAC Mini-Mini HID

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20795/IMG_0042Custom.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Largest/IMG_0042Custom.jpg)


               Harbor Freight HID,  RayzorBeam,  Thor 15 Million,  RayzorLite,  Acro X990,  MAC Mini-Mini HID

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20795/IMG_0043Custom.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Largest/IMG_0043Custom.jpg)

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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 13, 2006, 06:22:40 PM
Anyone every found a use for the Harbor Freight HIDs?  I mean practical use - not just to signal aliens and scare the neighbors....

'course I use my lights to scare the neighbors....
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: nemul on October 13, 2006, 07:26:14 PM
dang those are big!
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 13, 2006, 09:05:07 PM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 13, 2006, 09:06:06 PM
Anyone every found a use for the Harbor Freight HIDs?  I mean practical use - not just to signal aliens and scare the neighbors....

'course I use my lights to scare the neighbors....

How about as a stool?  A few months back, I finally saw a Thor at Bass Pro Shops.  One look at the box and I knew that it wasn't for me.

You could mount those on your car too - many of the locals would be jealous!
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 13, 2006, 09:15:35 PM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on October 14, 2006, 03:04:26 AM
Anyone every found a use for the Harbor Freight HIDs?  I mean practical use - not just to signal aliens and scare the neighbors....

'course I use my lights to scare the neighbors....

Last night, the sun was set and it was getting dark.  I was doing some yardwork and wasnt done yet.  So I set up the HF HID, aimed it at my house, the reflection lit up my yard!! So I kept working.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: duff72 on October 14, 2006, 03:23:08 AM
just got to use my ae 24w hid -i think I'm in love.  this thing really throws the light. i know there are more powerful hid's out there but this is my first one and I'm hooked. :thumbup:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: tonyd on October 14, 2006, 04:37:03 AM
Did Carmen say felonize, or sodomize
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 14, 2006, 06:54:33 AM
Hey Lips, I know you got your Xeray today...

We demand pics and comparisons with the Rayzorlite baby!

-if thats not to much trouble  ;)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 14, 2006, 02:58:35 PM
Hey Lips, I know you got your Xeray today...

We demand pics and comparisons with the Rayzorlite baby!

-if thats not to much trouble  ;)

Hey Naw

Hopefully soon on some more pics

The Xeray is Very Nice! It's more compact in overall size than the pics I've seen depict...

Here's the weight from   ah,   UPS   :-[


Xeray = 5.62 lbs

Click photos to expand them


Xeray

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Small/IMG_0829FF250x188.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0829.jpg)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Small/IMG_0830FF250x188.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0830.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0841.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0831.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0839.jpg)




I've got some Ceiling Bounce Test coming up for Relative output using X990 as a Baseline...


Cheers


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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Rayzorbeam on October 14, 2006, 03:25:36 PM
Lips, :thumbup: 8)

Can you give us a better indication of size please length and width versus the RB. also Height if possible.
It looks 1" shorter and 1" wider based on the top image.

Thanks

Reuv
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Rayzorbeam on October 14, 2006, 03:32:37 PM
I know I'm in for it...     :o


They even caught me on the monitor taking a package!  But you know babes as Hot as I am don't go to jail.     :icon_smurfin:



:tongue2:
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Just by the way ,

seems like a black hole in my intelligence--- what is this all about?? just a short explanation ?

Reuv
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: tacticalsupply.com on October 16, 2006, 02:11:20 AM
Reuv & all, I took the Rayzorlite out for a stroll tonight with the IR filter and some NV.  It was absolutely amazing.  The throw is incredible, I estimate 600 - 800 yards of crystal clear IR.  Be weary of bouncing it off of close objects as it can surprise you.

Removed the IR filter and NV and caught a couple of unsuspecting deer crossing.  You all know the proverbial "deer caught in the headlights" but I think the Rayzorlite stunned them more than the usual car would have.  I quickly moved it away and lit a path for them to cross safely, but I wish I had some pics of that to share.

If you don't have an HID, get one.... you'll be glad you did.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: EricMack on October 16, 2006, 11:41:24 AM
They even caught me on the monitor taking a package!  But you know babes as Hot as I am don't go to jail.     :icon_smurfin:
:tongue2:

Just by the way ,

seems like a black hole in my intelligence--- what is this all about?? just a short explanation ?

Reuv

That's just Lips getting in touch with his feminine side... :love5:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: RPM on October 17, 2006, 01:45:09 AM
OK guys... go easy on me..  I never gave the HID lights much thought...but I now have some incentive to learn more.  My brother in law is a photographer that works with many of the law enforcement agencies.  He wants to do night work under "IR" and is very interested in the various HID lights.  He wants to be able to illuminate other aircraft, mainly helicopters, at under 1000 yards.  He needs something portable, preferably something that can be mounted along side a camera. Just for clarification, his work is done mainly for training purposes.  Any thoughts on how much wattage would be needed?  He said the razorbeam light was too big to use, but the razorlight may work.  How about the Helios?  I'm just gathering info now, so anything is appreciated.  It's a whole new world at these lumens!  :thumbup:

RPM... the HID newbie
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 17, 2006, 02:45:30 AM
RPM:

Once upon a time I had a HID
Yes sir, yes sir, yes I did.
Was hard to keep it from my kid.
So it sold to the highest bid.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: nemul on October 17, 2006, 03:28:50 AM
RPM:

Once upon a time I had a HID
Yes sir, yes sir, yes I did.
Was hard to keep it from my kid.
So it sold to the highest bid.

 :yawn:

 ;)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 17, 2006, 08:19:38 AM
OK guys... go easy on me..  I never gave the HID lights much thought...but I now have some incentive to learn more.  My brother in law is a photographer that works with many of the law enforcement agencies.  He wants to do night work under "IR" and is very interested in the various HID lights.  He wants to be able to illuminate other aircraft, mainly helicopters, at under 1000 yards.  He needs something portable, preferably something that can be mounted along side a camera. Just for clarification, his work is done mainly for training purposes.  Any thoughts on how much wattage would be needed?  He said the razorbeam light was too big to use, but the razorlight may work.  How about the Helios?  I'm just gathering info now, so anything is appreciated.  It's a whole new world at these lumens!  :thumbup:

RPM... the HID newbie

A light with a tripod mount would probably help him a lot, 1000 yards is a long way - I don't think I can see that far!

If long distances are the primary requirement - a light with a larger reflector might fit the bill.  The RL is compact and from all accounts, well balanced - and weighs just over 4 lbs. 
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: RPM on October 17, 2006, 02:33:24 PM
RPM:

Once upon a time I had a HID
Yes sir, yes sir, yes I did.
Was hard to keep it from my kid.
So it sold to the highest bid.

I said "Go easy"...  But I didn't think I'd get poetry  :o  :)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 17, 2006, 05:09:09 PM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 17, 2006, 10:51:00 PM
Aw come one, I thought my poetry was pretty good!   :laughing7:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 21, 2006, 07:21:32 AM
Once upon a time I had a HID
Yes sir, yes sir, yes I did.
Was hard to keep it from my kid.
So it sold to the highest bid.

You had a hard time keeping your Rayzorbeam away from your kid?

Now just how in the world are you able to keep all your Ti lights away from them?  :P
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 21, 2006, 08:14:13 AM
Once upon a time I had a HID
Yes sir, yes sir, yes I did.
Was hard to keep it from my kid.
So it sold to the highest bid.

You had a hard time keeping your Rayzorbeam away from your kid?

Now just how in the world are you able to keep all your Ti lights away from them?  :P

It is called a "safe".... works will for hiding all those $39 lights from significant others as well.....
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: EricMack on October 21, 2006, 01:54:51 PM
It is called a "safe".... works will for hiding all those $39 lights from significant others as well.....

Yep  :headbang:  It also protects against marauding Geos, Codeys, and other assorted varmints when you are out of town.  :naughty:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 22, 2006, 11:35:07 AM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 22, 2006, 11:38:15 AM
He just better hope that safe is bolted to something - I'm bringing Bubba to schlep the whole thing (he works for beer)....
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: cmacclel on October 23, 2006, 02:44:59 AM
The Big Boys :)

(http://images19.fotki.com/v26/photos/1/141020/3830454/IMG_3416-vi.jpg)

(http://images16.fotki.com/v31/photos/1/141020/3830454/IMG_3419-vi.jpg)

(http://images19.fotki.com/v26/photos/1/141020/3830454/IMG_3412-vi.jpg)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 23, 2006, 12:29:16 PM
I like the one in the middle - even if it does look like a travel coffee mug.  How much coffee will it hold?
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 23, 2006, 03:25:21 PM
I like the one in the middle - even if it does look like a travel coffee mug.  How much coffee will it hold?

 :laughing7:  Good one, Geo.  Don't know how much coffee it'll hold but it'll sure keep it warm.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on October 23, 2006, 04:50:21 PM
Damn, Mac......nice set you have there!  Almost as nice as the set in EricMack's avatar.


 :thumbup: WP
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: cmacclel on October 23, 2006, 04:55:37 PM
Funny :)...........everyone that has seen the Helios says the same thing.....Looks like a Thermos.


Mac
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: RPM on October 23, 2006, 05:51:12 PM
I had the pleasure of getting to sample a Helios (with handle) last night.  The amount of light these things produce is scary.  I was afraid the neighbors would complain.  The biggest problem I had was not having enough distance to test the throw!  I'm new to HID so maybe I'm easily impressed?  The overall fit and finish of the light is great.  The integrated handle is really nice.  It provides a good hold when carrying at the side and allows a good overhead hold. It also allows a place to hang the light when slipped into a front pocket.  Tonight for fun we get to compare it to a "Beast".
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: tonyd on October 23, 2006, 06:06:44 PM
Will be great to see comparision beam shots. I was thinking about a Helios. Is this a 40 watt Hid?. Is the constuction aluminum or polymer? Thanks
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Geologist on October 23, 2006, 06:31:59 PM
Does it run on de-caf?  What about instant?
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: tonyd on October 23, 2006, 08:58:37 PM
I suspect it doesn't run as long on decaff.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 23, 2006, 10:59:18 PM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 24, 2006, 11:19:58 AM
I had the pleasure of getting to sample a Helios (with handle) last night.  The amount of light these things produce is scary.  I was afraid the neighbors would complain.  The biggest problem I had was not having enough distance to test the throw!  I'm new to HID so maybe I'm easily impressed?  The overall fit and finish of the light is great.  The integrated handle is really nice.  It provides a good hold when carrying at the side and allows a good overhead hold. It also allows a place to hang the light when slipped into a front pocket.  Tonight for fun we get to compare it to a "Beast".

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 24, 2006, 03:18:25 PM


That photo of MAC's looks like the light that started the Helios off:  THE PROTOTYPE

I hear the Helios puts out a beautifull beam and allot of light given the small 3 + inch reflector. No doubt the modifying of the return wire by bending it close to the bulb allowing for the reflector to have a smaller hole gets more light out the front end. This same smaller hole on a MAG reflector makes a considerable difference in output.



Some Pics
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0886.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0887.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0885.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0883.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0879.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0871.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0872.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0867.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Rayzor%20Medium/IMG_0866.jpg)


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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 24, 2006, 10:23:48 PM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 25, 2006, 06:36:44 AM
Thanks for the pics, Lips.  It looks like the RB and Xeray have about the same diameter reflector, but the Xeray appears to possibly be slightly deeper.  Or am I imagining things?

In person the stipple reflector looks like it may be slightly deeper. The depth is very close to each other in any event. When I get a chance I'll take a look at them out of the bodies.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Codeman on October 25, 2006, 02:59:40 PM
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 26, 2006, 01:15:32 AM
They go the wire tight enough to where they have a supper tight hole in the reflector. That means more efficient and MORE lumens out the front end. Nice!

I wonder why the Rayzor guys never did that with there Rayzorlite? Hmm...

Although I'm highly pleased with my Rayzorlite I was shocked to see how big the hole in the reflector was.  The stippled reflector and the huge hole in the reflector seems like alot of lumens thats being wasted and not making it out of the front.

I wonder if the SMO reflector they are coming out with will include a smaller hole at the base.  I could only imagine the true potential of the Rayzorlite if it had those features. :o

Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on October 26, 2006, 04:51:17 AM
They go the wire tight enough to where they have a supper tight hole in the reflector. That means more efficient and MORE lumens out the front end. Nice!

I wonder why the Rayzor guys never did that with there Rayzorlite? Hmm...

Although I'm highly pleased with my Rayzorlite I was shocked to see how big the hole in the reflector was.  The stippled reflector and the huge hole in the reflector seems like alot of lumens thats being wasted and not making it out of the front.




Heres an analogy Naw



Donald Rumsfeld "Secretary of Defense" said

      "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They're not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."



All these companies have to weigh cost of production, raw materials changing production in the middle of runs, rates of return,  etc etc etc.


You can bet that those Light Players that are on the forums are watching and taking notes and discussing these various musings of ours around the work tables   ;)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on October 27, 2006, 01:11:26 AM
Hmmm... okay thats a pretty good answer.

Hopefully Lips or the Rayzorbeam guys can help me out and answer my next set of questions.

1) When you want to check the Rayzorlites battery status you click boost.  But what do the 3 LED lights represent?  How do they operate?  Is it like from 100% to 80% of the full battery is the green led... Does the amber LED represent something like 80% of the battery to 30% of the battery is left?  Then the red led will indicate that there is below 30% of the original battery power left?  That was just an example, but you guys know what I mean right?

2) Can the Rayzorlite be left on for the entire 2.5 hour runtime?  The head gets pretty hot...

I think thats about it. :D

No wait a minute thats not it... I forgot the beamshots!  I'll try to get some up within the next several hours.













Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: regentag on November 06, 2006, 06:56:59 AM
(http://images16.fotki.com/v31/photos/1/141020/3830454/IMG_3419-vi.jpg)

Mac ...

What is the light on the bottom, with the scary-big reflector and (I assume) Aluminum head/body?
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: cue003 on November 06, 2006, 10:41:53 PM
Mac, PM sent.  Please read.

Thanks.

Curtis
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on November 07, 2006, 12:36:15 AM
Mac ...

What is the light on the bottom, with the scary-big reflector and (I assume) Aluminum head/body?

That looks like the Supernova HID.

You can see it here in this thread.

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=3102.0

Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on February 11, 2007, 08:59:13 AM
You know something weird.

I was looking through the archives over on CPF and found these beamshots from the Superlights III. 

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/4276/zoom2xn.jpg

If you look through these beamshots you can see the Rayzorlite V.2 can easily throw farther than the Thor 10MCP.  My Rayzorlite compared to my Thor 10MCP shows that the Thor throws slightly farther.

Also if you look in the beamshots you can see the Rayzorbeam V.2 (stippled reflector) can outthrow the Rayzorbeam V.1 (SMO reflector)

Weird.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on February 11, 2007, 02:36:23 PM
You know something weird.

I was looking through the archives over on CPF and found these beamshots from the Superlights III. 

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/4276/zoom2xn.jpg

If you look through these beamshots you can see the Rayzorlite V.2 can easily throw farther than the Thor 10MCP.  My Rayzorlite compared to my Thor 10MCP shows that the Thor throws slightly farther.

Also if you look in the beamshots you can see the Rayzorbeam V.2 (stippled reflector) can outthrow the Rayzorbeam V.1 (SMO reflector)

Weird.


I'm not sure what reflectors those units had but I'd bet they all had SMO. The older SMO reflectors were not very good even though the output is good in the lower photos. The second from the botom looks like the units were having battery issues (batteries were switched to LG-2200mah from those units). The newer stipple reflectors have a better reflective surface (on the shinny part). I believe the units in the photos had different bulbs also (v1 & v2) than the unit you have Naw...  Hoping for the GE in proprietory base and results should look like the bottom row or better with a better SMO...  Vaporware until then :D
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: LuxLuthor on February 12, 2007, 08:31:07 AM
Man the more I read here, the better I feel about never getting into the Razor GB's.  Too bad really.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on February 13, 2007, 03:16:10 AM
Man the more I read here, the better I feel about never getting into the Razor GB's.  Too bad really.

Although the Rayzor isn't the best HID light out there, the 3 hour runtime is a huge plus.  I think this light has some potential if I they used a better bulb and SMO reflectors.  The stippled refelctors really cut down on throw like crazy.

I like it because it can smoke my AE and it was bargain of a light. Around $500. 

But from your point of view, of owning the 50W Xeray, thats understandable.   :D
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: LuxLuthor on February 19, 2007, 03:47:51 AM
Man the more I read here, the better I feel about never getting into the Razor GB's.  Too bad really.

Although the Rayzor isn't the best HID light out there, the 3 hour runtime is a huge plus.  I think this light has some potential if I they used a better bulb and SMO reflectors.  The stippled refelctors really cut down on throw like crazy.

I like it because it can smoke my AE and it was bargain of a light. Around $500. 

But from your point of view, of owning the 50W Xeray, thats understandable.   :D

I was more speaking about the lack of support and problems getting parts....but yeah, the 3 hr runtime is awsome.  I think the original GB price on the 50W XeRay was $550 or $575 if memory serves me correctly.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on February 26, 2007, 08:34:32 AM
For those of you who own the Xerays how are they? (Not reffering to brightness, I already know what they are capable of)  ;)

Are they easy to hold?  Does it get annoying to hold them after a while?

And I always been wondering what that small chain is that is behind the Xeray.  Whats that for?

Man, I really want to get one.  :)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: LuxLuthor on February 26, 2007, 10:25:31 AM
That chain in the back is to hold on the cap for the charging plug input.

I have used mine quite a few times while hiking or walking...longest was about 2 hours (not on all that time), and it was comfortable.  It is not as ergonomic and small as the Helios and some other lights, but there is a tradeoff with price, brightness, beam shape, run time between all of these.  I don't regret getting first the XeRay 50W, then a BB that Chris Dallas sold, and now the 75W upgrade for my 50W.  They have kept me satisfied enough to not go after the Polarion.

If you are thinking of getting one, there is the Version 1 circuit board that apparently are still available, which has the advantage of coming with a working 12V cig. adapter (which Ver 2 does not), but Ver. 1 has a discharge on the battery pack if you leave it connected that drains it over the course of about 45-60 days (Ver. 2 is more like 10-12 months before battery pack drains)...so you have to remember to keep charging your Ver. 1 model.

If you specify which Ver board you want from XeRay, I think you can get the one you want still.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on March 01, 2007, 09:38:06 AM
New light-weight, small, powerful, affordable, super-throw HID coming out next week. Let's have some info guys...
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: LuxLuthor on March 02, 2007, 12:38:16 AM
Yeah, you would think this clandestine light is some super top secret valerie plame type model.  Go ahead, just out the light...what could go wrong?
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on May 22, 2007, 05:01:39 AM



Helios




This HID light is the Real-Deal:




Size-Power-Function-Work of Art



Not perfect, needs a lanyard and a GROUP BUY!!!



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Draco/IMG_1793.jpg)



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Draco/IMG_1794.jpg)



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Draco/IMG_1798.jpg)



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/Draco/IMG_1792.jpg)



Some good reference shots of the Helios by MAC
http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php/topic,3900.msg71803.html#new



Thanks LK


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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on May 22, 2007, 08:24:33 AM
Those Helios are sure nice lights.  I would definetley get one if they went for around thousand dollars. 
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: LuxLuthor on May 23, 2007, 05:46:53 AM
Those Helios are sure nice lights.  I would definetley get one if they went for around thousand dollars.

Fat chance....at least not a new one.

BTW, NAW....I'm thinking about it.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on June 06, 2007, 03:11:56 PM
My Favorite!




3lbs 9.2 ounces



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_1880.jpg)





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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on June 07, 2007, 02:00:48 AM
Whoa Nelly!!

I'm getting a BarnBurner  :thumbup:

Of all the BarnBurner owners, I payed the most but its coming with an extra bulb & battery so I'm sure its worth it.  Pictures and beamshots (maybe) to follow when it arrives.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: regentag on June 07, 2007, 02:13:44 AM
Cool!  You won't be disappointed.  It's insanely bright. 8)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on June 07, 2007, 04:11:34 AM
Whoa Nelly!!

I'm getting a BarnBurner  :thumbup:

Of all the BarnBurner owners, I payed the most but its coming with an extra bulb & battery so I'm sure its worth it.  Pictures and beamshots (maybe) to follow when it arrives.



Congratulations Man!       :thumbup:


Just a matter of time and money!


Start saving for you Helios   :rolleye:
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Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on June 07, 2007, 08:39:24 AM
Well, I don't know about the Helios... but I think a LK14 is highly probable.  8)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on June 21, 2007, 10:40:07 AM
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q38/100-Watts/IMGP0449.jpg)

(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q38/100-Watts/IMGP0457.jpg)


Rayzorlite and BarnBurner

(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q38/100-Watts/IMGP0460.jpg)

Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: regentag on June 21, 2007, 01:13:00 PM
Impressive!

So... is it bright enough for you?

Enjoy,
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on June 21, 2007, 10:28:00 PM
deleted... see next post.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: NAW on June 21, 2007, 11:57:54 PM
Impressive!

So... is it bright enough for you?

Enjoy,

Doing a throw test yesterday night on a marina, she killed my Thor15 in throw.  Its a fat bright beam of light compared to anything else.  But being a flashaholic, I don't know if theres anything that will be bright enough.  ;)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: regentag on June 22, 2007, 08:13:55 AM
Very good description - "fat bright beam"

... I'm waiting for the Mother Of All Barn-Burners (MOAB) to hit the shelves!

Fatter, brighter, more expensive! 8)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Lips on December 04, 2007, 05:15:46 PM
MOAB ???
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: tonyd on December 05, 2007, 12:53:51 AM
Now in an up coming episode I'llexplain how to make an improvised fuel air bomb using rust , aluminum filings and household solvents. Nah just joking on the MOAB thing
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: newcom8 on June 01, 2010, 08:43:58 AM
In China  ,the HID xenon just start ,a lot of people want to change halogen to xenon ,because of its advantages .
One of the major advantages that HID lights provide is, since they consume less energy than regular headlights, once you install a HID conversion kit in your vehicle, you will most likely never need to change your headlights again.

I am coming from China . I have seen several model of xenon bulb and bi-xenon ,35w ,55w ,75w ,and slim ballast .
the slim kit performance better . :D .

I tried off-road light ,led light ,hid torch flashlight also .haha

MSN: newcom8@hotmail.com
E-mail :newcom68@gmail.com
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: windstrings on June 01, 2010, 04:13:51 PM
I know thats what they advertise, but don't bet on it.....

I have been following threads since 07 about HID's going out in the Prius's "among other cars".
http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-care-maintenance-troubleshooting/34584-headlight-problem-74.html#post1130598 (http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-care-maintenance-troubleshooting/34584-headlight-problem-74.html#post1130598)

http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-care-maintenance-troubleshooting/47938-my-hid-bulb-replacement-my-06-prius.html (http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-care-maintenance-troubleshooting/47938-my-hid-bulb-replacement-my-06-prius.html)

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2791571#post2791571 (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2791571#post2791571)



Ballast have to be matched perfectly to get the longevity expected.
If the voltage "from the ballast" is too hot, it will work great for a while until things oxidize and burn out due to heat.
If the voltage is too little, it will work at first but as parts of the bulb age and resistance rises it won't be long till the bulb will not continue to vaporize the matter inside to a plasma state and again, "for different reasons" the bulb will fail prematurely.

HID's are great for normal use and the technology is very good for very bright light without too much energy involved to make it happen.
But the are fragile if you intend to drop your light off a cliff anytime soon compared to some of the LED technology now coming out.

While not as bright as HID watt for watt, LED is upcoming technology that if improved much more will make the others obsolete except for fixed mountings.
My Olight SR90 is quite amazing for an LED that rivals the polarion or any HID in the 35 - 40Watt range for Throw.

The higher wattage  "50W and greater" HID's are still untouched by a single LED output... especially for throw.
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: starthere on July 18, 2011, 09:42:04 AM
65W/45W Xenon HID  Flashlight Spotlight  6000LM hunting
(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l577/processedineverything/free%20ads/SSK-10.jpg)
Title: Re: HID Lights (Photos & Talk) Helios - Rayzors - Xeray - Polarion - etc
Post by: Pierredekock on December 05, 2011, 11:13:56 AM
awesome collection mate  :D