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Title: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 26, 2006, 03:36:42 AM
UPDATE 8-29-06:

A few more pics...


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCArcs.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCLft-Arc.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCRt-Arc.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCmid-Arc.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCButts.jpg)


This one is the most striking - I figure the interleaving of metals was thinnest in those layers and were just starting to change to a new color range - 'cept it ain't mine, it's 20 - daaaaang it!:

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCView.jpg)


Hey waitaminute - it belongs to one of the listees who hasn't responded yet...:thinking:



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UPDATE 8-28-06:

Better pics...


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00691.JPG)
(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00690.JPG)
(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00686.JPG)


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We have the HAT Event tentatively set for this coming weekend (Sept.2/3) after which the lights will begin shipping.  Thus it is time to request that you transact your remaining balances, PayPal preferred, to avoid delivery delays.

If you see this and are on the DC list, please contact me otherwise I shall contact you privately.  I thank you for your considerable patience all these months; the Damascus Chameleon's time is nearly at hand.

*Note: I regret that requests for blue tritium cannot be fulfilled.  The green (which is brighter) tritium was purchased and delivered from overseas a while ago; however, those who will pursue doing this on their own should let me know immediately so that I can package their green vials separately, as once the vials are glued into their snugly fitting slots, replacing them with another would require destruction of the installed vial.

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UPDATE 8-26-06:

Our Damascus Chameleons are back from their sauna (heat treating), and the colors are - different...

I'll let y'all be the judges, but to be honest the new colors are in fact what I was hoping for the first time around when the protos were heat treated (sorry for the poor quality, the pics were taken with what I had on me - namely my cellphone cam):

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamChamBluesmall.jpg)


Here is what the color of these is like next to the original proto, one of which I brought with me:

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamChamBlueBrownsmall.jpg)


I have been told by Mr. Del Ely that dependent upon several factors, most importantly the temperature and length of time the Damascus is subjected to heat, there may be different resulting coloring.

I feel a HAT Event coming on next weekend, barring schedule conflicts with any of the MadHatters.

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UPDATE 4-7-06:

And we have closure!

FINAL list:

"00" MR Bulk

"01" EricMack

"02" Fishman

"03" PhotonFanatic

"04" arewethereyetdad

"05" tonyd

"06" Kenster

"07" Geologist

"08" gregw

"09" fore

"10" seattlite

"11" aib

"12" marcspar

"13" flashgreenie

"14" RPM

"15" Steve Stephens

"16" BraddahBill

"17" FlashMike

"18" flashlight

"19" Regentag

"20" Grumpy

"21" Likebright

"22" MorpheusT1

"23" PoliceScannerMan


Please put subsequent DamCham posts here as the number-pickin' thread is now closed.

Thank you.

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UPDATE: 4-4-06:

Due to my error the back-up list has been amended.  Thanks for your continued patience.


UPDATE 4-1-06:

Deposits sent to date:

All but one.


*Kindly let me know if you find any discrepancies.


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UPDATE 3-30-06:

Just got off an extensive phone conversation with the steelmaker today, and here is the scoop as to what is involved in bringing this project to a successful close within a time frame that does not have a different last number on the year - the steel maker forges these bars by hand and can only do 1 (that's ONE) bar, about a foot long, at a time.  Hence it will be a rather long process before we get them all machined, heat treated and back here to build and ship.  There has been nothing closer to a handmade light body up to this point than the DamCham.

Despite this long ramp up period, I would have to commit financially to this project in order to have things begin, and will need to collect your deposits fairly soon - in fact some are already inquiring when they can send theirs in - so please expect a $200 deposit request within a few days.

Other news:

REGENTAG has just assumed the last spot on the list due to an unfortunate drop out.  But family comes first, I always say.

Stay tuned.

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FRESH PICS:

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC-1.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC-4.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC-5.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC-6.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC-7.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC-2.jpg)


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UPDATE 3-28-06:

*NOTE - Come to think of it, due to the probable unique nature of each light's patterns, serializing may not be necessary.  It has already been asked whether some lights could be made without serial numbers and just the engraved Chameleon logo on the butt cap.  Whatsay?  Would some people be interested in having their DamChams made this way?

*EDIT: "ser# delete" has been indicated by people on the list wanting this option (at no charge, heh heh).

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Update 3-27-06:

When all the slots are taken I will eventually move this thread to B/S/T.  If there is an excess of interested parties, they can go on a backup list to displace dropouts.

In going over the original posts on this thread, discounting the "Wows" and "Dayums" and other kind words, it looks like the priority for calling out which number you want will follow this sequence:

Name - Preferred Serial #

1 EricMack - (ser# delete)

2 Fishman - #2

3 gregw - #8
 
4 tonyd - (ser# delete)

5 PhotonFanatic - (lowest # possible)

6 arewethereyetdad - #7

7 Kenster - (ser# delete)

8 Geologist - (ser# delete)

9 RPM - (ser# delete)

10 MorpheusT1 - #10

11 marcspar - #4, #5, #24, #12

12 flashgreenie - #13

13 BraddahBill - (any)

14 aib - #11, #12, #13

15 seattlite - (ser# delete)

16 PoliceScannerMan - (ser# delete)

17 FlashMike - #17, #16, #24

18 Grumpy - (ser# delete)

19 fore - (ser# delete)

20 flashlight - #18, #23, #17

21 Steve Stephens - #23, #24

22 Likebright - #19

23 Regentag


*NOTE - Those with the ??? icon next to their names should post their number or numbers - preferably three choices - in order of preference.  And of course common sense shall prevail - for example no one should be picking #2 since Fishman was the first in line and is already assured of getting it.

All 23 "guaranteed" spots are now reserved (pending deposits soon).  Newer folks will replace, in order, any dropouts when deposits are requested:

Back-up buyers in sequential order (one light per person, please):


Yaesumofo

Karl

cue003

London Lad

Indenial

CyanMan

kazu


Thanks.

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Update 3-26-06:

The Damascus steelmaker is Mr. Delbert Ely, and he has assured me the steel is the same as William Henry's, except custom laminated in a wider and bolder pattern for this light so that the Damascus appearance is immediately apparent to the casual onlooker (I figure you don't buy something like this to Not show around), and although there is never a rust PROOF steel, the learned comments so kindly made by Karl and tonyd for our edification would likely be the most accurate summation of this material's rust resistance.  Keep in mind my primary purpose for creating the world's (first and only?) heat colorized Damascus steel light was to offer an exclusive appearance and patterning not readily available with any other method/material commonly used in custom lights.

I am making these lights with the best *proven* components available that have been tried and true up to this point in time, and thus we will stick with the Luxeon/MR-reflector combination and of course George's incredible FIVE-current-tabled electronics, with the exception of the fact that anyone able to locate "U"-binned Luxeons possessing still an "H" Vf bin code is welcome to buy them immediately  (at almost any price) and I will take them off your hands for that same amount.  Just to have the best *proven* Luxeons for the DamCham's setup.

And yet with that said, price is going to kept within the realm of reality as has been my past practice - except of course I WILL NOT lose money on this as I did with the dang Ti-Cham's!  The $110 per inch is what the final total cost is for body production, meaning we actually needed almost six inches to grind out the ~3¾ inches of total light length (counting the threaded areas that nest into one another), so it's not six times $110, but more like 3¾.  The only bummer to this whole thing is how much beautifully colored Damascus has to be chipped away from the 1.25" solid barstock to get down to what actually makes up the light itself...:sad3:

Anyway not to skirt the issue, but - not counting the discovery/purchase of U-binned H-Vf Luxeons of course - the DamCham should not exceed five hundred bucks.  Or actually make that under  this figure, or: "The DamCham will cost less than $500 (not counting shipping)."

After machining the two prototype bodies, the CNC shop indicated they would not be interested in making more than two dozen (reminded them too much of Ti, they said), so there would never be more than twenty four DamChams, thus maintaining a fair amount of exclusivity for the eventual owners.

Hopefully I've addressed most concerns so I'm off to work right now...serial number pickin's will go in order of post chronology on this thread, to be transferred to a formal purchase thread in B/S/T soon (of course 01/24 is already reserved).

Thanks for your support.

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Original post:

Not having ever done a flashlight using a truly  exotic material (Titanium doesn't count since everyone seems to be using it now), I took a deep breath and went in for a blend of metals - which was folded, smooshed, and then refolded again actually - into something people call "damascus".  The stuff usually reserved for uber-expensive, hand-made custom knives.

But I wanted to be even more different, and there is indeed a "different" way of preparing damascus.  By treating it with tremendous - yet judiciously applied - quantities of heat to get the different ingredient metals to actually change color.  Amazing.

This particular material was procured from the same source supplying these heat-treated steels for the latest William Henry custom knives, which were proudly on display in their booth at last month's SHOT Show in Las Vegas (hey, I don't travel 3,000-4,000 miles from Hawaii fer nuthin').

And so I was able to convince them to produce this damascus - normally forged in flats for knife blades - in solid, 1.25" diameter bar stock for flashlight profiles.

I will let the following pitchers do the talking, but preface them with the announcement that this thread is to assess interest in getting a small run of these lights made, so please post here if this should appeal to you:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC1.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC2.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC3.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC4.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC6.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC5.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC7.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DC8.jpg)



If all goes as planned there will only be a limited number of these made because I don't think there will be enough people willing to part with the kind of money this light will cost.  To put it bluntly, just the cost of the hand-folded, color-heat-treated, CNC-machined bodies exceeds $110 PER INCH, thanks in no small part to the waste material that the chuck jaws must grab onto while turning each piece.

I don't think anyone has yet made a damascus light with the multi-colored hues this one displays, all produced naturally from within the material itself with no coloring agents and just heat treating processes affecting the multiple leaves of steel in this particular Damascus combination.

An incidental bonus is that steel possesses better thermal characteristics than Titanium.

And with the way the colors change and blend into one another, what better light was there to make with this than the Chameleon?  It will come complete with the deep-engraved lizard logo on endcap similar to the Ti-Chameleon, plus serializing in the same way using a "xx/24" format on each Control Module.

There will be no more than two dozen of these made available, so please indicate your interest here.  Due to the exorbitant cost of each unit, I will need to take advance deposits once the project is deemed to be a Go.

As usual, Thanks for your interest. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: loalight on March 26, 2006, 03:43:23 AM
Wow.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: TorchMan on March 26, 2006, 03:58:13 AM
It sure looks awesome. I would definitely not be able to do this though I'd love to! Maybe if I win the lotto. Great idea, Charlie.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on March 26, 2006, 04:03:32 AM
Now that is something!  We cut titanium all the time in our shop, but DAMASCUS bar stock!! Yikes! That is way too cool.  :icon_cheers:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Rudi on March 26, 2006, 04:06:15 AM
Beautiful, but heavy.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: bwaites on March 26, 2006, 04:19:58 AM
Dang you!!!

I had a light all planned and you beat me to the punch!!

Awesome job, though!!

Bill
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 26, 2006, 04:27:13 AM
Hot DAMN!!

That's one damn fine and damn expensive Dam-Cham...... :icon_biggrin: :rotflmao:

I must pass.. as correctly identified, at $110 per inch, it may be well out of my league. But I just wanted to congratulate on you having achieved a masterpiece.. just successfully building a couple of one-off items (like Larrylights? :)) for show would be achievement enough.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on March 26, 2006, 04:37:16 AM
Damn you, Bulk!  Crap, that is too cool.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: FlashMike on March 26, 2006, 05:02:53 AM
Just to test my understanding, the net price of a Dam-Cham would be in the $5000+ range (3+ inches of light + waste).  Is this about right?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lips on March 26, 2006, 05:18:07 AM
That sounds a little off...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Wilsonite on March 26, 2006, 05:27:48 AM
That is so incredibly beautiful!  Ti is way out of my price range, let alone this.  There will be some very lucky dudes out there on this one!  Way to go Charlie!!  NICE WORK!!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on March 26, 2006, 06:23:23 AM
So is it like high chrome or high carbon content & will it be prone to rust?

My interest will depend on the final cost & Mondays lottery result.  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Nedtheshred on March 26, 2006, 07:16:14 AM
I'm interested...Charlie,
Count me in please.
FM
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: kukula on March 26, 2006, 09:33:34 AM
I have been somewhat busy lately and havent been active here at the boards.  And then this  8)  My concern too is that Damascus steel is prone to corrosion?  Is there some treatment here to prevent this from happening?  I surely would hate it to EDC such a beautiful work of art and only to end up oiling it every night, just like a knife or a gun.  Guess its one reason why I love Glocks  :P Any price indicative for this one Charlie?  Pls do PM me  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BigHonu on March 26, 2006, 09:42:55 AM
Damn!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Karl on March 26, 2006, 10:58:14 AM
There is a "stainless" Damascus which does, in fact, resist staining (rusting?) but not entirely.  What most folks are unaware of is the fact that steel is not stain PROOF, rather stain Resistant...Get it, stain LESS? The very best stainLESS steel will rust if dunked in salt water.  Read the instructions on diving watches made of stainless steel.  They all ask for a fresh water rinsing after use in the ocean.  My point is that steel will rust unless cared for in an intelligent fashion.  That said, while this sure would look nice in my hot hands, I don't know how I might be able to afford one...but then again, who knows?  Hey Charlie, what are the "damages" going to be?   Huh?



Karl   
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 26, 2006, 11:17:53 AM
How much plasman will I need to sell?  That *IS* the $25K question!

Looks totally awesome!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 26, 2006, 12:40:56 PM
Wow.  That is totally awesome.  I can't recall anyone actually bringing something like this out.
Every one would be differen't and unique from every other one, right?  No two quite the same?! 

Charlie, count me in!!    :thumbup: 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on March 26, 2006, 01:10:31 PM
Wow!  That is truely unique..   :thumbup:  I'd definitely be interested in one.  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Readerbob on March 26, 2006, 01:17:23 PM
Wow - this has to be one of the coolest looking lights I've ever seen. I wish I could afford one. The lottery is starting up in NC this coming week, so if I win, I'm definitely in! Otherwise, I'll just have to look on in envy!

--Bob
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 26, 2006, 02:00:48 PM
First Count me in :thumbup: Second William Henry uses a core of zdp189 with Damascus folds overlayed this, Kershaw uses something similar in the multi-task chefs knife (with VG10). This system supposedly reduces the corrosion associated with true Damascus steels. In This case it appears your billets will actually be alloyed. will they use the zdp189?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PhotonFanatic on March 26, 2006, 02:31:45 PM
I'd like one, please. Thanks.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 26, 2006, 03:17:31 PM
Charlie, all I can say is DAM YOU!       :laughing7:

Of course I am IN!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 26, 2006, 03:21:44 PM
Charlie, all I can say is DAM YOU!       :laughing7:

Of course I am IN!

Ya had to use bigger text than me, didn't cha!  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 26, 2006, 03:22:54 PM
I thought maybe the bigger text would emphasize that I want to be ahead of you on the serial number this time.  Hehehe.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 26, 2006, 03:29:43 PM
I thought maybe the bigger text would emphasize that I want to be ahead of you on the serial number this time.  Hehehe.   :laughing7:

I hear ya!  ;)  I don't care about the #, just Give Me One!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 26, 2006, 03:46:30 PM
I have been somewhat busy lately and havent been active here at the boards.  And then this  8)  My concern too is that Damascus steel is prone to corrosion?  Is there some treatment here to prevent this from happening?  I surely would hate it to EDC such a beautiful work of art and only to end up oiling it every night, just like a knife or a gun.  Guess its one reason why I love Glocks  :P Any price indicative for this one Charlie?  Pls do PM me  ;)

You EDC such things?

NORMAL people put them on pedestals and kneel before them every night :rotflmao:  (thereby solving the need to oil them)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on March 26, 2006, 03:49:23 PM
Charlie,

I DO, I DO, I WANT, I WANT
Expensive, Yes! Awesome,Oh YES! :thumbup:

Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PKT on March 26, 2006, 04:03:12 PM
Wow just found this thread! Beautiful....
definitely thinking out of the box.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 26, 2006, 04:08:07 PM
Just thought I would ask. Is this using a 3W luxeon or will you try something new like a K2. As it is a very limited edition I figure the sky is the limit
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on March 26, 2006, 04:09:22 PM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/oooo3.gif)

Ohhh!

Ohhh!!!!

Ohhh!!!!!!!!!

Think I just wet myself.  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on March 26, 2006, 04:10:27 PM
I forgot to say I want mine with extras like SlimHead, SlimTube, and also a UX0H or premium K2 8)
That sounds like a winner.

Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 26, 2006, 05:22:00 PM
Oops.  I am so excited about this I double posted.
Carry on  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 26, 2006, 05:34:27 PM
I'll go ahead and post my interest - but I do not think my wallet will be able to cooperate this round!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on March 26, 2006, 06:06:58 PM
I forgot to say I want mine with extras like SlimHead, SlimTube, and also a UX0H or premium K2 8)
That sounds like a winner.

Ken
yea me too! lol
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on March 26, 2006, 07:14:23 PM
Oh ya... forgot to say earlier... I would be interested.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Photon on March 26, 2006, 07:37:26 PM
Very, very cool. Congrats!  :thumbup:


BTW how many Rockwells are they? :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: HarryN on March 26, 2006, 07:47:27 PM
Charlie - that is neat.  At first, I thought you were playing a joke on us, as it looks sort of like wood grain.

It is outside of my budget, but I like it.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on March 26, 2006, 08:18:41 PM
Very nice!

You can put me on the list,but i need to know the final price before i commit to this awsome light.
I too woul like the option of a Slimtube and a smallhead.

:D


Benny


Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 26, 2006, 08:22:40 PM
All you guys thinking Charlie's going to also make all these extra parts for this special light are probably dreaming.  It's going to be hard enough just making the light itself, and with this small run, I seriously doubt he's going to do all the extra small accessories.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BigHonu on March 26, 2006, 08:30:10 PM
You guys planning on EDCing this?  DAM!!!!!

sorrry couldn't help myself...for the second time...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 26, 2006, 08:44:22 PM
EDC?  I would think that most of us would have to HIDE it from the significant other!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: TorchMan on March 26, 2006, 09:04:39 PM
I surely would hate it to EDC such a beautiful work of art and only to end up oiling it every night, just like a knife or a gun.  Guess its one reason why I love Glocks  :P   ;)

Glocks? We do think alike on many subjects! I have to oiil down the Para-Ordnance in places every time someone touches it!

Back on topic...

I would never EDC this thing, assuming I could ever afford one. I learned with "Scar" which is the name of my Ti Chammie that I was an admitted dumb *ss about and scratched , that some lights are better off as shelf queens for me. Still love my Ti Chammie though! :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 26, 2006, 09:05:28 PM
EDC?  I would think that most of us would have to HIDE it from the significant other!

Nah, she'll think that instead of spending $39 on another light, I splurged and spent $49!   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on March 26, 2006, 09:09:28 PM
EDC?  I would think that most of us would have to HIDE it from the significant other!

Nah, she'll think that instead of spending $39 on another light, I splurged and spent $49!   :rotflmao:

You forgot to mention her asking, "Hey what kind of pipe is that?"



 :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: marcspar on March 26, 2006, 09:22:44 PM
I've been waiting for this announcement.....

I AM IN [Please!]


Marc
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 26, 2006, 09:27:54 PM
OKAY !!!
(just thought I'd use a big font too...)

The Damascus steelmaker is Mr. Delbert Ely, and he has assured me the steel is the same as William Henry's, except custom laminated in a wider and bolder pattern for this light so that the Damascus appearance is immediately apparent to the casual onlooker (I figure you don't buy something like this to Not show around), and although there is never a rust PROOF steel, the learned comments so kindly made by Karl and tonyd for our edification would likely be the most accurate summation of this material's rust resistance.  Keep in mind my primary purpose for creating the world's (first and only?) heat colorized Damascus steel light was to offer an exclusive appearance and patterning not readily available with any other method/material commonly used in custom lights.

I am making these lights with the best *proven* components available that have been tried and true up to this point in time, and thus we will stick with the Luxeon/MR-reflector combination and of course George's incredible FIVE-current-tabled electronics, with the exception of the fact that anyone able to locate "U"-binned Luxeons possessing still an "H" Vf bin code is welcome to buy them immediately  (at almost any price) and I will take them off your hands for that same amount.  Just to have the best *proven* Luxeons for the DamCham's setup.

And yet with that said, price is going to kept within the realm of reality as has been my past practice - except of course I WILL NOT lose money on this as I did with the dang Ti-Cham's!  The $110 per inch is what the final total cost is for body production, meaning we actually needed almost six inches to grind out the ~3¾ inches of total light length (counting the threaded areas that nest into one another), so it's not six times $110, but more like 3¾.  The only bummer to this whole thing is how much beautifully colored Damascus has to be chipped away from the 1.25" solid barstock to get down to what actually makes up the light itself...:sad3:

Anyway not to skirt the issue, but - not counting the discovery/purchase of U-binned H-Vf Luxeons of course - the DamCham should not exceed five hundred bucks.  Or actually make that under  this figure, or: "The DamCham will cost less than $500 (not counting shipping)."

After machining the two prototype bodies, the CNC shop indicated they would not be interested in making more than two dozen (reminded them too much of Ti, they said), so there would never be more than twenty four DamChams, thus maintaining a fair amount of exclusivity for the eventual owners.

Hopefully I've addressed most concerns so I'm off to work right now...serial number pickin's will go in order of post chronology on this thread, to be transferred to a formal purchase thread in B/S/T soon (of course 01/24 is already reserved).

Thanks for your support.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 26, 2006, 09:34:26 PM
Cool.  Looks like, if the Commander is #01, that makes me, let's see....#07!   :woot:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on March 26, 2006, 09:44:32 PM
Hey!

Thats not so bad of a price...sub 500  :thumbup:



Great job Charlie,
As always.



Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on March 26, 2006, 10:42:31 PM
dang charlie!!! I disappear for a few days and you do this  :angryfire: :angry9: :angry4: :drool:

Think I will post my interest for now... :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on March 26, 2006, 10:43:58 PM
Wow Charlie, thanks for saving #1 for me.  ;)


Intrested.



Bill
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: aib on March 26, 2006, 11:03:06 PM
Charlie,

Please  count me in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Big Thank you is in store....

Regards,

AIB............. :) :) :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:[/b][/size][/size][/color]
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Readerbob on March 26, 2006, 11:15:42 PM
Cool.  Looks like, if the Commander is #01, that makes me, let's see....#07!   :woot:

Think he could make it 007? That would be a keeper!

--Bob
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 26, 2006, 11:28:23 PM
Count me in :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on March 26, 2006, 11:54:00 PM
I'm interested on one.  Please reserve 21/24 if possible.  Al, Ti, brass, and now steel....NICE.

Thanks,
Richard
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on March 27, 2006, 12:10:59 AM
it almost looks like wood!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Nedtheshred on March 27, 2006, 12:46:38 AM
Hi Charlie,
24/24 Please.

Ned
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 27, 2006, 12:58:11 AM
Cool.  Looks like, if the Commander is #01, that makes me, let's see....#07!   :woot:

Think he could make it 007? That would be a keeper!

--Bob


Hmmm...:thinking:  I wonder if it would be all right to go something like, "007/24"?

Or "007/024"?

Or "007 of 24"?

Or "007/0024"

I dunno, mebbe just "007, 001, 024", etc.  The impression would be you got a low number from a triple digit run... :dontknow:

Oops, just saw yours just now Fish.  It might warrant reconsideration depending what numbering convention we finally come up with.

As for optional heads, etc., it will depend on interest and hassle to machine them.  No sense setting everything up just for three SlimHeads, for example.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 27, 2006, 01:04:14 AM
Wow Charlie, thanks for saving #1 for me.  ;)


Intrested.



Bill

Sometimes you are actually quite funny Bill! :rotflmao:

Actually if there are only, say, 14 interested parties, then the serializing will most likely reflect this - as in, "14/14", etc.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on March 27, 2006, 01:12:52 AM
Dibs on #8...  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 27, 2006, 01:59:31 AM
OK OK if were placing # i'd like 5
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 27, 2006, 02:41:06 AM
OK OK if were placing # i'd like 5

Tony, it's based on when you posted your interest.  I think you'd be 9.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 27, 2006, 03:05:43 AM
I'm IN!!!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: CY on March 27, 2006, 03:53:10 AM
arrrgggg... nice light :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: FlashMike on March 27, 2006, 04:13:25 AM
I want one!

I missed my opportunity for a Ti Chammie (because I did not get my regular one until Lighthound started selling), so I don't want to miss this.  Sign me up.

Sorry about the ealier post with the $5000 price guess.  When I was reading the original description I was going so quickly (excitement will do that to you) that I thought it said $1100/in.  So, in re-reading today I see $110/in (a tenth my mistaken assumption) and my price guess comes down by a factor of 10 also to match your estimate.

I'd like #4 or #2, but I'd be flexible.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 27, 2006, 04:14:13 AM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/oooo3.gif)

Ohhh!

Ohhh!!!!

Ohhh!!!!!!!!!

Think I just wet myself.  :-[

By the sound of it, not with pee either ;)

Nice light.. nice numbers.. $500 being surprisingly affordable for this, but still way out of my budget.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Nedtheshred on March 27, 2006, 04:36:34 AM
Hi Charlie,

I'll take #2 then if possible.  See me first post in this thread.  I join in pretty early on.
thanks,
fish
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2006, 04:47:15 AM
If there is any left I would like the lowest serial number available.
Thanks

Edit-
I would like #10 if it is still available. If not I'll take the lowest number available.
I would love to have a slimhead for this light. I would not mind paying extra for a slimhead.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on March 27, 2006, 04:49:18 AM
Man, I'm interested.  Can you hang onto #11 for me Charlie?  Gotta sell some stuff!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on March 27, 2006, 05:16:36 AM
Hi Charlie,

I'll take #2 then if possible.  See me first post in this thread.  I join in pretty early on.
thanks,
fish

Yay, that make's mine #1 as I don't think posts of 'Wow' & 'Damn' count as interest  :P and below $500 sounds okay (after I sell off half my worldly possessions that is!  :-[ )
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on March 27, 2006, 05:49:50 AM
Bank Of Bulk now finances
10.416 plus interest a month for 48 months (4 years!) LMAO
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on March 27, 2006, 05:59:00 AM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/oooo3.gif)

Ohhh!

Ohhh!!!!

Ohhh!!!!!!!!!

Think I just wet myself.  :-[

By the sound of it, not with pee either ;)

Nice light.. nice numbers.. $500 being surprisingly affordable for this, but still way out of my budget.


LOL......Kevin with all your *Glass* and that new toy ............stuff I can only dream about.



Bill
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on March 27, 2006, 06:06:12 AM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/oooo3.gif)

Ohhh!

Ohhh!!!!

Ohhh!!!!!!!!!

Think I just wet myself.  :-[

By the sound of it, not with pee either ;)

oh yea,


Ohhh!

Ohhh!!!!

Ohhh!!!!!!!!!

Think I just shyt myself.  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on March 27, 2006, 06:08:24 AM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/oooo3.gif)

Ohhh!

Ohhh!!!!

Ohhh!!!!!!!!!

Think I just wet myself.  :-[

By the sound of it, not with pee either ;)

oh yea,


Ohhh!

Ohhh!!!!

Ohhh!!!!!!!!!

Think I just shyt myself.  :-[

EEEW, guys, guys, try to keep control of your sphincters & bodily emissions!  >:( This is a family-oriented forum you know.  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 27, 2006, 06:29:03 AM
Or as in the old Cheech and Chong album (anybody remember that?) with their spoof on a Mexican used car dealer radio commercial, "Only fitty-doller down, fitty-dollera mons, por fitty yeers!"

Anyway, when all the slots are taken I will eventually move this thread to B/S/T.  If there is an excess of interested parties, they can go on a backup list to displace dropouts.

In going over the original posts on this thread, discounting the "Wows" and "Dayums" and other kind words, it looks like the priority for calling out which number you want will follow this sequence:


For latest updates please refer to first post of this thread.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on March 27, 2006, 06:52:35 AM
that was fast!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 27, 2006, 07:25:53 AM

LOL......Kevin with all your *Glass* and that new toy ............stuff I can only dream about.

300D, now on special (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=427308&is=REG&addedTroughType=search) for only the cost of the Dam-Cham :P

See, you can have one too. :)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on March 27, 2006, 07:39:49 AM
If we are calling numbers out I`ll take #3
or whatever is lowest after Erick and Fred pick.

Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: criollo on March 27, 2006, 08:46:48 AM
I"ll take #9. Thanks Mr. Bulk. :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on March 27, 2006, 09:51:51 AM
Charlie, I'm in for one of the remaining three Dan-Chams (#23 first choice, #24 second, third choice-whatever is left).  I've always wanted a flashlight that will rust and this one is going to be special.  I guess I will have to keep it well oiled.  Is there a way you can save the slug of metal you have to remove during machining and make a really tiny flashout out of it like a CR2 or AAA?

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: marcspar on March 27, 2006, 10:31:53 AM
I thought the serial numbers were based on the order of the posts...

If we have to pick, I'd take # 4, #5, #24 or #12 in that order of preference.

Thanks,

Marc
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 27, 2006, 11:18:50 AM
Apparently there is some slight confusion on the number pickin' protocol.  So we will simply let everyone post whatever nos. they want and then I will wade through and determine, "seniority"-wise, who gets what.

Kinda like how we just did our vacation schedule at work for calendar year 2006, back in December '05:

1 ) Everyone gets to submit their three months' choices in order, and then

2 ) I go through the date-hired list and give out the months according to that (there are only four slots available in each month, ya see).

3 ) The newer guys don't even mention December or June-July-August (the most popular times) in their bids because they know they'll never get'em from the old-timers, which is kinda like

4 ) This list - for example Fishman will get whatever number he wants ('cept fer #1, of course) because he posted his interest the earliest.  Then

5 ) Ericmack, then

6 ) gregw, then

7 ) tonyd...

8 ) ...and so on.  The rookies usually just get assigned to whichever months are still open after eveyone else has been granted their 1st, 2nd or 3rd choices.  Actually there is no real sense in them even submitting a bid form but it's all part of the formality and required by the Benevolent Police Association's Collective Bargaining Rules (our union).  And one year - one long awaited year many moons from now - they will actually be granted their last choices while slowly working up to the vacation months they Really want as the years inexorably pile up under their belts.

Comprende?

Hey, lookit - there's only one slot left...!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on March 27, 2006, 11:46:02 AM
I take #13 if possible...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 27, 2006, 12:00:07 PM
Sounds completely fair and unbiased to me
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on March 27, 2006, 12:24:40 PM
No I don't want #4!

Hey, I thot I said I was interested right after Fishman  >:( Ok ok, not outrightly though ....  :-[

I'll take #18, 23, 17 in that order of preference.

Thanks. And no I did not win the lottery.  :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on March 27, 2006, 12:49:52 PM
Id like to stay as nr 10 please...



Benny

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on March 27, 2006, 04:36:05 PM
If it is still available... #14 for me.  Thanks
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: aib on March 27, 2006, 05:13:34 PM
Hi Charlie,

I'd like them all, but that ain't gonna happen so I'll go with 11,12 or 13.

Thanks,

AIB.............. :) :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on March 27, 2006, 05:33:24 PM

LOL......Kevin with all your *Glass* and that new toy ............stuff I can only dream about.

300D, now on special (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=427308&is=REG&addedTroughType=search) for only the cost of the Dam-Cham :P

See, you can have one too. :)


Awwwww man don't say that.........OK, maybe my next Major purchase, but by then they won't be on sale anymore.



Charlie........any number is fine.



Bill
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on March 27, 2006, 05:36:05 PM
Charlie,
Put me down for one.
 I don't care what number it is as long as I get in.
Mike

PS let me know If I made it.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on March 27, 2006, 05:40:05 PM
Oops Double post sorry.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: loalight on March 27, 2006, 06:18:41 PM
Oh lordie, has Yaesumofo seen this thread? He gets cranky when he misses out on the exotics! ;)

HEY YAESU STOP LISTENING TO THE RADIO!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on March 27, 2006, 07:53:17 PM
Looks like I...missed it by THAT much!

LOL.

anyway, I'll take two of the drop-outs.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on March 27, 2006, 08:03:51 PM
I can't believe I missed this.
I have been so caught up with other nonsense that this flew right passed me.

Maybe one of you guys who have yourselves down for two would like to share?
Oh well as they say you snooze you loose.
I have lost yet again. I happen to have a "thing" for this material too.

Charlie please put me down for a dropout. I doubt it will happen but I can't be that far down on the dropout list ...I hope!! Thanks
Yaesumofo :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on March 27, 2006, 08:11:22 PM
I can't believe I missed this.
Anybody with multiples feellike helping a guy out?

I have been so caught up with other nonsense that this flew right passed me.

Maybe one of you guys who have yourselves down for two would like to share?
Oh well as they say you snooze you loose.
I have lost yet again. I happen to have a "thing" for this material too.
Yaesumofo :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: DavidR on March 27, 2006, 08:11:38 PM
What a sweet light!! Great idea Charlie. I really like damascus and can't think of anything better to use it for.

What about a Timascus Chammy next :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on March 27, 2006, 10:12:39 PM
Charlie,
Looks like I got lucky and made the list.
Since I am last in chronological order I'd be happy with #24 :)

I see some have indicated a preferance for #24 sooooo how about #19 I don't see that taken yet.
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 27, 2006, 10:34:10 PM
Lowest availible # for me Pleeze!!

When do you want deposits, cuz I want my spot locked!!!  I am so excited about this new light!!

 Is this material real hard and scratch resistant like Ti???
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Karl on March 27, 2006, 11:40:40 PM
Put me in line for a dropout....couldn't be on here as much as I wanted to.... :'(



Karl
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Karl on March 28, 2006, 12:09:23 AM
Whatever number is fine!



Karl
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 28, 2006, 12:49:23 AM
Lowest availible # for me Pleeze!!

When do you want deposits, cuz I want my spot locked!!!  I am so excited about this new light!!

 Is this material real hard and scratch resistant like Ti???

PSM, think you're excited?  You should see EricMack.  He's peed all over his pants he's so excited.  The guy is a damascus freakazoid!  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 28, 2006, 12:53:23 AM
Lowest availible # for me Pleeze!!

When do you want deposits, cuz I want my spot locked!!!  I am so excited about this new light!!

 Is this material real hard and scratch resistant like Ti???

PSM, think you're excited?  You should see EricMack.  He's peed all over his pants he's so excited.  The guy is a damascus freakazoid!  :rotflmao:

Hey, Eric is DA man!!  Pee or no pee, he is the man I tell you!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 28, 2006, 01:32:56 AM
PSM, think you're excited?  You should see EricMack.  He's peed all over his pants he's so excited.  The guy is a damascus freakazoid!  :rotflmao:
Troy, I'm gonna tell our wife these ain't $49  :violent1:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 28, 2006, 01:54:55 AM
PSM, think you're excited?  You should see EricMack.  He's peed all over his pants he's so excited.  The guy is a damascus freakazoid!  :rotflmao:
Troy, I'm gonna tell our wife these ain't $49  :violent1:


That's OK, I'll resort to Plan B: "I got it in a trade."  (that's the mysterious 'no-idea-what-it's-worth' excuse).  "Our" wife won't pursue it any further.  :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 28, 2006, 03:16:15 AM
As I see the purchase list is filled I would like to point out that none of these lights will look the same. Not even like the picture, which is great I hope. Only Charlie could get this much attention (well deserved) for something so abstract, like the Picasso of flashlights. thanks :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 28, 2006, 04:00:01 AM

LOL......Kevin with all your *Glass* and that new toy ............stuff I can only dream about.

300D, now on special (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=427308&is=REG&addedTroughType=search) for only the cost of the Dam-Cham :P

See, you can have one too. :)


Awwwww man don't say that.........OK, maybe my next Major purchase, but by then they won't be on sale anymore.



Charlie........any number is fine.



Bill

That's the problem - when two pieces of limited edition (well, one of them is limited-discount really) hardware that you really want pop up at the same time and you only have $$ to buy one.

What was that about the second mortgage again? :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 28, 2006, 04:01:06 AM
PSM, think you're excited?  You should see EricMack.  He's peed all over his pants he's so excited.  The guy is a damascus freakazoid!  :rotflmao:
Troy, I'm gonna tell our wife these ain't $49  :violent1:


OUR wife? Uhh, is there some sharing going on? :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: FlashMike on March 28, 2006, 05:31:03 AM
One question on the steel, one question on the process for picking numbers.

1) I have never seen anything made from Damascus steel other than knifes.  a quick google search also turned up nothing but knifes.  Has anyone seen something other than knives made from Damascus steel?  Links?

2) I see my name on the priority list, but without a number.  Should I pick another one now or will you make a list pass though the list from top to bottom for final picks?

Oh, and thanks to Charlie (and everyone else that will be involved).  This is a wonderful and unique light.  [ fill in your choice or bodily excretion here; this seems nearly a requirement for this thread    :) ]
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 28, 2006, 12:01:01 PM
I believe this use of Damascus to be unique and quite interesting. Damascus was historically first used for swords notably Samurai Sword form Seki City Japan. the repeated folding and hand forging created a very unique and hard crystalline structure in the metal, hence the very sharp edge.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on March 28, 2006, 01:12:40 PM
One question on the steel, one question on the process for picking numbers.

1) I have never seen anything made from Damascus steel other than knifes.  a quick google search also turned up nothing but knifes.  Has anyone seen something other than knives made from Damascus steel?  Links?

2) I see my name on the priority list, but without a number.  Should I pick another one now or will you make a list pass though the list from top to bottom for final picks?

Oh, and thanks to Charlie (and everyone else that will be involved).  This is a wonderful and unique light.  [ fill in your choice or bodily excretion here; this seems nearly a requirement for this thread    :) ]

FlashMike,

I think you need to choose at least 3 numbers in order of preference.

Update for 3-27-06:

*NOTE - Those with the ??? icon next to their names should post their number or numbers - preferably three choices - in order of preference.  And of course common sense shall prevail - for example no one should be picking #2 since Fishman was the first in line and is already assured of getting it.


From what I can see at this point, the following are still not spoken for - 6, 15, 16, 20, 22.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: FlashMike on March 28, 2006, 04:27:58 PM
Charlie, please list my number preferences as 17, 16, and 24; in that order.  I tried to select numbers not yet taken by anyone before me in the list, but there are still some unknowns...

How much of a deposit do you want, and when?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 28, 2006, 07:58:10 PM
DavidR - yes, Timascus was brought up - but it is even more expensive and harder to get than heat treated Damascus.

PoliceScannerman - deposits soon, after I confirm a couple of things with the steel maker.  And yes, it is hard all right.  It is as hard as, well - steel...:evil6:

tonyd is right, due to the random patterned nature of this type of Damascus lamination, each light will be unique.

FlashMike - I do not know if Damascus has been used for anything other than knives, hatchets, tools of that sort.  I do know that someone else tried doing a light body from Dam but the pattern became obscured, almost non-existent, once the surface was ground off due to the necessary machining.  Deposits will be $100 so I can get the ball rolling by making my own subsequent deposits to lock in scheduled machine shop slots as well as subsidizing vendor raw material needs.

*BIG NOTE - Come to think of it, due to the probable unique nature of each light's patterns, serializing may not be necessary.  It has already been asked whether some lights could be made without serial numbers and just the engraved Chameleon logo on the butt cap.  Whatsay?  Would some people be interested in having their DamChams made this way?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 28, 2006, 08:07:20 PM
*BIG NOTE - Come to think of it, due to the probable unique nature of each light's patterns, serializing may not be necessary.  It has already been asked whether some lights could be made without serial numbers and just the engraved Chameleon logo on the butt cap.  Whatsay?  Would some people be interested in having their DamChams made this way?
Frankly, Charlie, I would be in favor of no serial numbers  :thumbup:  Most of my small run, more expensive lights are not serialized, and I like it that way.  Though I doubt many of these would come up for sale, eventually perhaps a few will.  I know I would pay no more in the secondary market for #3 than #23.  And, IMO, this light is so gorgeous on its own, it seems a shame to engrave anything other than the Uber-Cool Chameleon on its tail. 

Just my .02, thanks for asking  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 28, 2006, 08:20:14 PM
COOL!  I was gonna ask for #8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  My lucky number!  I am IN!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 28, 2006, 08:22:15 PM
Oh I just saw grew wants # 8 - If 8 isn't available, I'll take #1-7 ?  I am at work so I can't read everything right now....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 28, 2006, 08:27:54 PM
OK since I am triple posting -

I would prefer no serial numbers with a logo on the base (like the TI Chammie)

The resulting patterns could spawn names without the engraving....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 28, 2006, 08:31:51 PM
OK since I am triple posting -

Bad thread to run up your post count, Stephen!
 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on March 28, 2006, 08:34:44 PM
....

*BIG NOTE - Come to think of it, due to the probable unique nature of each light's patterns, serializing may not be necessary.  It has already been asked whether some lights could be made without serial numbers and just the engraved Chameleon logo on the butt cap.  Whatsay?  Would some people be interested in having their DamChams made this way?

I vote NO serial number.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on March 28, 2006, 08:43:17 PM
If anyone is keeping count...I'm OK with no serial number.  Being unique won't be a problem with this run of lights.

unique
adjective, being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else, original, particularly remarkable, special, or unusual.

Sorry, got carried away...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 28, 2006, 08:55:50 PM
Charlie what ever you think best. As these lights will each be unique a serial # is more like a good luck thing. I for one do not need the serial # and if fact it may detract from the lights uniqueness. I would think it fun to post pictures of each light after they ship so we can banter over who got the prettiest. I also think it would be interesting to melt the scrap and produce a few extra lights.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 28, 2006, 08:59:29 PM
"ser# delete" will be noted on list for those not wanting any enumeration on their DamChams...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 28, 2006, 09:07:35 PM
No serial # is cool with me.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 28, 2006, 10:28:49 PM
New pics with DamCham next to BB- and Ti-finished Chams added to first post...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 28, 2006, 10:31:17 PM
Oh yeah, before I forget, there will indeed be a tritium slot plus vial ala' the Ti-Cham...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on March 28, 2006, 10:34:43 PM
Well........if we may be doing away with serial #s, can I have my name and address engraved on mine????



I'm fine with no numbers....or numbers......no numbers would be nice.......but numbers would be cool too.......I would even take one of those really cool numbers like on your Nano.  :D


Bill
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on March 28, 2006, 10:52:37 PM
I`ll go with the masses on the serial thing.
Either one is fine by me.




Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: criollo on March 28, 2006, 10:55:14 PM
Dam-Cham...such an art piece and no serial number is cool. The more i look at the picture .....i vote for no inscription on it......kind of purity i reckon. I may be wrong (the way i see it !!!).

Cassian
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on March 28, 2006, 11:29:59 PM
no serial number would be cool or in some other langauge like persian???
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: FlashMike on March 29, 2006, 12:21:39 AM
I have to ask this, because, well, I just have to. :D

I made various things from wood, including bowls and such on a lathe.  When I make a piece that includes a top or a lid, both the parts are cut from the same piece of wood, in the the proper orientation, to ensure that the grain matches when you look at the finished piece with the lid in place.  The grain match is never perfect since there is material lost in the space between the two parts, but the match can be pretty close and the flow of the grain is consistent across the parts.

The DamCham uses the only metal I have seen with a grain pattern similar to wood.  Do you have plans to machine the parts for each light from the same piece of stock to get the grain to match?

I realize this would be harder to do than machining w/o regard to part order and grain direction, and maybe you considered this idea and discarded it for reasons of difficulty.  But maybe you just had not thought of this idea.  On the chance that the later is true, I felt compelled to post.

BTW, this has the side affect of causing each light to become a unique "set of parts" which are designed to match one another.  Their "serial number" would be the gain pattern (kind of like the matching serial numbers in classic cars)

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on March 29, 2006, 12:49:28 AM
Charlie,

Where is the serial number going to be engraved?  In order not to "deface" that nice damascus finish, I'm suggesting that it should be small and included as part of the Chameleon engraving in the tail.  I would still like to have a serial number, which is a validation that there really is only 24 Dam-Chams in existence...   :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 29, 2006, 01:00:59 AM
New pics with DamCham next to BB- and Ti-finished Chams added to first post...
Charlie, those new pics are great  :thumbup:

Hard to believe how well this has evolved since Delbert first sent us the raw material photos way back in January.  And we were not sure it could be done!  I salute you, Supreme Commander  :icon_salut:

Eric  :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 29, 2006, 01:20:47 AM
Well........if we may be doing away with serial #s, can I have my name and address engraved on mine????



I'm fine with no numbers....or numbers......no numbers would be nice.......but numbers would be cool too.......I would even take one of those really cool numbers like on your Nano.  :D


Bill

:rotflmao:  Hey, then we could make any number anybody wanted, and even change it before shipping if they changed their minds!  And also include several Other numbers, to replace the original number any time they wanted! :evil6: :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 29, 2006, 02:01:06 AM
I have to ask this, because, well, I just have to. :D

I made various things from wood, including bowls and such on a lathe.  When I make a piece that includes a top or a lid, both the parts are cut from the same piece of wood, in the the proper orientation, to ensure that the grain matches when you look at the finished piece with the lid in place.  The grain match is never perfect since there is material lost in the space between the two parts, but the match can be pretty close and the flow of the grain is consistent across the parts.

The DamCham uses the only metal I have seen with a grain pattern similar to wood.  Do you have plans to machine the parts for each light from the same piece of stock to get the grain to match?

I realize this would be harder to do than machining w/o regard to part order and grain direction, and maybe you considered this idea and discarded it for reasons of difficulty.  But maybe you just had not thought of this idea.  On the chance that the later is true, I felt compelled to post.

BTW, this has the side affect of causing each light to become a unique "set of parts" which are designed to match one another.  Their "serial number" would be the gain pattern (kind of like the matching serial numbers in classic cars)



Howdy FM (hey, where's the AM dial?  Hee haw!),

Actually this was already brought up because you can't help but notice it in the protos, since parts of the grain do indeed seem to nearly "match up".  But the single most compelling reason that precludes this effect from being a deliberately sought machining result is that the DamCham's body parts all "nest" into one another by way of the threaded joint areas.  A subordinate reason to this is that each piece is individually clamped into the metal lathe's jaws, and this clamped length eventually ends up becoming waste as it is cut off (hey, CUT-OFF! :headbang:) during the final step of each piece's machining operation.

So if a unique portion of grain just happened to run a very long distance in a very straight line (hardly likely since Damascus is folded and squished together repeatedly and the patterns indeed start turning out pretty "random" after a few passes, although this is excluding the purpose-made repeating patterns of some specialized Damascus patterns), then perhaps that one individual piece could be carefully set up and cut so as to provide some continuity of grain between just those two specific finished pieces.  However, if this straight section happened to be at the end of a bar it would end up becoming waste - and worse would be if this straight section was situated smack dab in the middle of a piece's intended final length, thus either not allowing the pattern to be used to join two parts, or purposely cutting the bar so as to incorporate that grain into a joint.  And yet this creates significant potential for wasted material, since the two sides of that perfectly long and straight grain may or may not be still enough to do anything else with.

Sheesh, was that some record in long run-on sentences or what?  But hopefully the reasons were made as clear as mud...? :dontknow:

gregw, the serial number would be chiseled into the Control Module, as some have commented in past projects that it was all too easy to "switch parts" since the head/bezel (where the serializing was located on the LionHeart, for example) was separate from the Control Module and you happened to like the - for example - color tint of one light's Luxeon vs. another.

But your point is well taken, especially due to the limited number of DamChams and the extreme unlikelihood of someone actually having two (*GASP*!) DamChams with which to do the switching around to begin with.

EricMack, ya know, that reminds me - folks, Eric was the member who so kindly steered me to the steel maker in this case.  Although I had considered Damascus prior, I didn't like the nearly invisible grain pattern after machining, and thus never did explore this far enough to actually find my own contacts.  And thus, if for no other reason, I must now place Eric at the front of the preferred serial number list (still after me, of course), although this point is moot if he/we go serial-less anyway...

And here is the overall thing about the whole whether-to-serialize-or-not:  we do NOT have to all agree on serial numbers or no serial numbers.  Due to the miniscule project size, part of this DamCham run can be serialized and the other part, not!  No "agreeing with the masses" will be necessary...
:headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on March 29, 2006, 02:42:47 AM

gregw, the serial number would be chiseled into the Control Module, as some have commented in past projects that it was all too easy to "switch parts" since the head/bezel (where the serializing was located on the LionHeart, for example) was separate from the Control Module and you happened to like the - for example - color tint of one light's Luxeon vs. another.

But your point is well taken, especially due to the limited number of DamChams and the extreme unlikelihood of someone actually having two (*GASP*!) DamChams with which to do the switching around to begin with.


Charlie, if the serial number is going to be engraved on the control module, then I would prefer mine without a serial number as well.  However, if you see fit to include the serial number as a small and discreet part of the Chameleon logo in the tail, then I would like mine with a serial number.  I hope this won't cause too much grief..  :-[

Way to go Eric for giving Charlie the lead for such an interesting and unique material...  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on March 29, 2006, 02:54:02 AM
I would like to see all 24 of the Dam-Chams be the same- either numbered or not.  That would ensure that they all appear to be from the one and only batch of 24.  If you number, my choice would be for  #23 then any odd number, then #24 in that order.  If you number some and not others my request would be no number.  Would putting the number on the inside of the light be a decent option?  Even a small number by the logo sounds like a good way to go.  I can see it may be hard to please everyone on the numbering.  My only choice is to have all lights done the same way.  The new pics look great Charlie.  Bet you are having fun on this project!
Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 29, 2006, 03:48:19 AM
EricMack, ya know, that reminds me - folks, Eric was the member who so kindly steered me to the steel maker in this case.  Although I had considered Damascus prior, I didn't like the nearly invisible grain pattern after machining, and thus never did explore this far enough to actually find my own contacts.  And thus, if for no other reason, I must now place Eric at the front of the preferred serial number list (still after me, of course), although this point is moot if he/we go serial-less anyway...
It has been a great ride for me Charlie, to have played a small role in making the DC a reality. :thumbup:  I am honored for you to have let me be a part of this.  My feelings remain the same regarding serial #'s, I am not a big fan.  But perhaps GregW's suggestion is a good one I had not thought of, i.e on the tail?  That might be nice.  I just wouldn't want to see the body engraved.

And I can tell you all that Charlie did not opt for what could have been easier, but less dramatic material options.  No.  Charlie went with a more difficult material, with the result being a much more dramatic, colorful Dam Cham.  :headbang:

 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 29, 2006, 03:54:37 AM
A lil OT, but not much.  Where do I buy those batteries I read in the Original Chammie thread, the rechargable ones that do best with the high drain of the Chammie...

Back OT,  :thumbup: way to go EM, as i said B-4, U da Man!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PhotonFanatic on March 29, 2006, 03:56:25 AM
I'd like the lowest number available after those in front of me, or those with special exemptions, dispensations, favored-nation status, or other similar status, have made their selections.  :icon_biggrin:

Would a UW0J not be good enough for this light?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 29, 2006, 03:58:24 AM
Well, after reading through all of today's posts on the Dam-Cham as well as consulting verbally with Monsieur Mack for twenty-plus minutes today regarding said subject, I hereby weigh in with my two cents:

I agree with Steve Stephens' comments: either all should be serialized or none should be.  I would like to retain my number seven if it is determined that there will be serial numbers.  If we are NOT getting serial numbers, that's fine, but in that case all 24 lights should be serial-number-free.

Eric, way to go finding the supplier for this project and working with Charlie to get this from "dream ass kiss" to damascus.  It's a sweet light and there are going to be 24 very happy people.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 29, 2006, 04:43:05 AM
Let me just say this - trying to please everyone is not easy, but I believe I will come closest to this ideal by allowing each person to choose, for their OWN light and not anyone else's , whether they want a serial number or not.

Eric, thanks for the kind words.  Despite the ease in whipping it up (literally), I guess lemon custard Was a little too delicate to use as a light body, eh? :evil6:

PSM, I believe AW sells them, along with the chargers.  Not sure about the vendor (nor the reliability or even the actual capacity) of them new "900mah" versions, though.

PhotonFanatic, unfortunately only an "H" Vf-binned Luxeon would allow the Chameleon to provide the full range of features and efficiency.  This is per George hisself.  So now that being said, when can you get us some "UXOH" bins? ? ? :headbang:

Deposit time will be fairly soon - soon as I hear back from Delbert and Chris.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 29, 2006, 04:49:37 AM
With all due respect, Mr. Commander, sir, you're missing my point entirely.  My opinion  (just an opinion, mind you) is that you should determine whether there WILL BE or WON'T BE serial numbers on ALL UNITS.

To me, it makes no sense to have a serialized number on a light when in fact there may or may not have ever been a serial system for this run at all.  I mean, why would someone want serial number 4, say, when there are no 1, 2, or 3?  :icon_scratch:  That seems ridiculous.

Therefore, in my opinion, you, Charlie, should say yes or no to serial numbers in general and NOT leave it to the individual purchaser.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on March 29, 2006, 05:31:26 AM
Oh yeah, before I forget, there will indeed be a tritium slot plus vial ala' the Ti-Cham...:naughty:

 :thumbup: :thumbup:  :headbang: :headbang:

With regards to the numbers, I do agree with Troy's view but I also see that Mr_Bulk has a point about the buyer having a choice on whether to have a number engraved or not - which basically means I don't have my own opinion on it & would be happy either way!  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on March 29, 2006, 05:49:45 AM
Why not make two bodies for each flasthlight; one with and one without the number engraved.  That way all of the batch will be the same AND each of us will be totally satisfied.  I'll take BOTH of my bodies unnumbered please.  I still vote for all of the run to be the same whichever way it turns out.
Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 29, 2006, 06:10:32 AM
I will likely have people request ANY number they want!  Up to 24 of course, or the xx/24 will be meaningless.

Steve, if it is up to me as you say, then my vote is for - everyone getting their DamChams whichever way they want them, with or without a number. :evil6:

gregw - the serializing on a small corner of the endcap logo is a good idea, since it will not be likely these bodies are reproduced any time soon - unless someone has a ton of money, of course - so the switching and swapping fears of the other lights is not practicably applicable here.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Grumpy on March 29, 2006, 06:38:20 AM
I now would like to have the serial number deleted from my light.

Mr. Bulk you could just line all of the flashlights up with the button facing you and take a picture and post it. Because of the random pattern of the damascus it would be impossible for someone to make one identical to any of these lights. If anyone wanted to know if the light that they have or are thinking of buying is an original they would only need to look at the picture to verify that it is original.

I am wondering what one of these lights would look like if it was polished to a mirror finish?

What does everyone think that one would look like polished?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on March 29, 2006, 06:51:12 AM
I will likely have people request ANY number they want!  Up to 24 of course, or the xx/24 will be meaningless.

Charlie, I would like to request my number be 23/24 since I am 23rd on the list counting you as #1.  Either 23 or 23/24 on the end cap in small numbers will suffice.  But if a decision is made to not number any of the lights I will go with unnumbered.

Are you saying, above, that there could be more than one person request a particular number and they would all get THAT same number?  Like three lights each numbered 4?

Grumpy- polished would probably look great.  I'd leave mine natural (original)- or nickel plate it?  Never!  I wonder what a bead blasted finish would look like or a ball burnished finish.  Charlie, can we pick our own special finish?    I have lots of "ideas" here but just disregard them for the most part as I have an active imagination.   I'm just thrilled that I stayed up really late one night and got to thinking that I didn't want to let this offer miss me so I just sqeeked in.

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on March 29, 2006, 08:11:41 AM
I now would like to have the serial number deleted from my light.

Mr. Bulk you could just line all of the flashlights up with the button facing you and take a picture and post it. Because of the random pattern of the damascus it would be impossible for someone to make one identical to any of these lights. If anyone wanted to know if the light that they have or are thinking of buying is an original they would only need to look at the picture to verify that it is original.

I am wondering what one of these lights would look like if it was polished to a mirror finish?

What does everyone think that one would look like polished?

Yeah or Charlie could use some hi-tech invisible ink, leave his right thumbprint or some other DNA sample of his :naughty: on the inside of all the individual components.  :P

I didn't know Damascus could be polished? I thought by the nature of its composition it couldn't.  :dontknow: Anyone have a picture?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on March 29, 2006, 09:37:45 AM
I'd want the clean version with no serial number, but I'd like an engraving on the bottom similar to the Ti Cham.  I'm curious about the polishing question as well.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 29, 2006, 09:53:58 AM
Damascus should not be polished, as the heat treatments only cause the metal to change color to a relatively shallow depth beneath the steel's surface.

Have not thought about the picking of the same number by everyone, although on a prior project I once did entertain thoughts about just having all the lights etched, "1 of 200" - which would have been true. :naughty:

Steve, FlashMike and flashlight who are both earlier on the list, have already picked #23 and #24 as one of their choices.  You might still end up with either number but that would depend on which of Their three choices they ended up getting.

If this gets to be too cumbersome, I may have to do what some suggested, which is just to go with no numbers and have pitchers taken of each light's individual patterns.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on March 29, 2006, 10:08:04 AM
Oh boy, if #s are still an issue i don`t want a #, I will just take the flashlight. They loook great Mr B. and I am looking forward to having one of these beauties 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Grumpy on March 29, 2006, 10:22:27 AM
Thanks for letting us know about polishing damascus.

Title: Re: NUMBERING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: aib on March 29, 2006, 02:38:34 PM
Charlie,

To add my three cents re: the numbering question, personally I like GregW's idea of the small number etched in to the bottom of the light.

Having said that, and since it is your creation, the most logical thing is to respect your decision and have you decide how you want to resolve the matter!!! 

I'm sure we'll all be happy with your decision or learn to live with it.  After all, we're lucky to have your
genius at work creating this project and the others you must be working on!

Kudos as well to those who helped you with material, etc.

AIB--- :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Karl on March 29, 2006, 02:48:09 PM
WoW, wada light!!!! 8)


Karl
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: The Count on March 29, 2006, 06:05:41 PM
Charlie, awsome looking light, but I think I'm gonna hold out for the Platinum version. :drool:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 29, 2006, 07:34:17 PM
Maybe a serial number in the beam pattern?  I want the "bat-light" version  ;)

If serials numbers are used, I would vote for all or none.  If they will have numbers, I would also want it on the bottom with the base logo (similar to the Ti Chammie)I like the idea of "1 of 23" as well.  As far as who gets what numbers, start at the top of the list and let the 1st person choose their number.  Then go to the next person, etc.  I like the idea of having a good photo with all the D-Chammies represented
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on March 29, 2006, 08:18:54 PM
Maybe a serial number in the beam pattern?  I want the "bat-light" version  ;)

If serials numbers are used, I would vote for all or none.  If they will have numbers, I would also want it on the bottom with the base logo (similar to the Ti Chammie)I like the idea of "1 of 23" as well.  As far as who gets what numbers, start at the top of the list and let the 1st person choose their number.  Then go to the next person, etc.  I like the idea of having a good photo with all the D-Chammies represented


DITTO!


But im still scratching my hairy xxx to find the money for this light...
 :-[



Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on March 29, 2006, 08:21:41 PM
Doubt i will find any there though...
 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 29, 2006, 08:27:42 PM
Doubt i will find any there though...
 :rotflmao:
:rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 29, 2006, 08:55:17 PM
OK, obviuosly most want all or none.  I seriously dont care either way, but if we do go with numbers, I want the lowest possible.  I think everyone should vote and majority wins...  I dont think its right for Mr. Bulk to have to decide, you cant please everyone.

Like I said, either way is fine with me, thats my vote...  Whats yours?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 29, 2006, 09:08:18 PM
At the risk of dragging this out I concur with PSM, although it is charlies call. I will just reiterate that no two lights will look the same. Thus if not numbered everyone will be a custom light. This is not like a limited run print or painting but rather like a custom suit or shoes. :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Karl on March 29, 2006, 11:08:37 PM
All numbered or none.  I agree....that is my "vote" counts....I'm only an alternate so far.... :'(


Karl
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 29, 2006, 11:59:39 PM
Kenster, your request is duly noted.  In fact everyone's request (if they were clear enough in their posts for me to figger it out) has been duly recorded on the list in Post #1.

And now we will have a vote - numbered or not?  Either way there will be the Chameleon logo on the bottom, same as the Ti-Cham.  Please go to

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2317.0

to cast your vote.  Hopefully we can put this issue to rest once and for all.  Thank You!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: cue003 on March 30, 2006, 12:02:11 AM
Is this list closed?  Would like to get on the stand-by list if possible.

I guess K vf won't work in this light.  I have a couple TWOH stars and a couple UWOK stars.

Curtis
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on March 30, 2006, 01:05:31 AM
Kenster, your request is duly noted.  In fact everyone's request (if they were clear enough in their posts for me to figger it out) has been duly recorded on the list in Post #1.

And now we will have a vote - numbered or not?  Either way there will be the Chameleon logo on the bottom, same as the Ti-Cham.  Please go to

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2317.0

to cast your vote.  Hopefully we can put this issue to rest once and for all.  Thank You!
I hope you know any requests I made were just for fun and joking with you. Thanks for letting us vote on the # issue. I am glad you decided to put the logo on your light for us 8) Looking good :thumbup:
Thanks,
Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 30, 2006, 03:26:50 AM
Curt, you are on the backup list brother.  And the TWOHs would work just fine.

Kenster, of course I knew!  You were joking, right? :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 30, 2006, 08:22:41 AM
This post is by Yaesumofo, moved from HERE. (http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2317.15)

Quote
since I am on the waiting list.
I have allways beleived that MrBulk production flashlights should be serialized on the Light engine part since all other parts can be replaced.
The Light engine is the heart of the light and shoi=uld be marked. In a run as small as this no serial number is really necessary.
I would still vote to etch somthing like 1 of 20 2 of 20 sorta like TnC does.
Yaesumofo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 30, 2006, 01:12:55 PM
At this point every unvoted slot would have to vote N to get no serial #'s.  11 to 8 right now.  What if its a tie??  :'(

Anyway, I will just go back to staring at the PICS at the top 'O this thread....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 30, 2006, 01:15:12 PM
Anyway, I will just go back to staring at the PICS at the top 'O this thread....
:drool:  You are doing that too?  Glad I'm not the only one... :rolleye:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on March 30, 2006, 01:24:59 PM
Anyway, I will just go back to staring at the PICS at the top 'O this thread....
:drool:  You are doing that too?  Glad I'm not the only one... :rolleye:


Make that 3 of us :drool:  :drool:  :drool:


Bill
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on March 30, 2006, 02:06:01 PM
Charlie,
I have determined that I will most likely carry this light with me at all times so I can keep and eye on it,
the only other viable option is to lock it in a vault.  Sooo ----
Will the light come with the clip?
Funny I should be the one to ask this.  ;)
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on March 30, 2006, 02:07:02 PM
Up to Likebright's vote, it's now 12 serial vs 9 no serial...    This is going to be sooo close..  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 30, 2006, 02:42:53 PM
Up to Likebright's vote, it's now 12 serial vs 9 no serial...    This is going to be sooo close..  :D

1 more serial vote locks it up, IF, the SN is on the Tail.....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on March 30, 2006, 03:35:08 PM
This post is by Yaesumofo, moved from HERE. (http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2317.15)

Quote
since I am on the waiting list.
I have allways beleived that MrBulk production flashlights should be serialized on the Light engine part since all other parts can be replaced.
The Light engine is the heart of the light and shoi=uld be marked. In a run as small as this no serial number is really necessary.
I would still vote to etch somthing like 1 of 20 2 of 20 sorta like TnC does.
Yaesumofo

This is a point well taken, but If SR's are used, I think on this light, with its' unique and unduplicatable properties, the number should go on the bottom of the tail with the logo.
My 2¢
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 30, 2006, 03:59:04 PM
Gonna be close!  At this point I think it can only be a tie!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 30, 2006, 08:10:03 PM
Up to Likebright's vote, it's now 12 serial vs 9 no serial...    This is going to be sooo close..  :D

1 more serial vote locks it up, IF, the SN is on the Tail.....

And if a tie....well, Charlie's vote will untie it.   ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 30, 2006, 08:26:36 PM
I though Mr. B gests  5 votes, I got 4 votes, and Troy got 1 vote! 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 30, 2006, 08:38:26 PM
I though Mr. B gests  5 votes, I got 4 votes, and Troy got 1 vote! 

There's that air-between-the-ears thing again, Geo.  You really should get that checked.  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on March 30, 2006, 09:03:56 PM
I think Mr Bulk should let me use the first picture in this thread as an avatar. :thumbup:
Of course that means he would have to sell me the Ti Chamleon too 8)

Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 31, 2006, 01:20:00 AM
Likebright, sorry no clip.  The regular Cham clips will of course fit, as would the lanyard rings, but I cannot include them, they will have to be purchased from me separately.

Kenster, then that would make TWO of us with the same avatar...

Actually I might have my protos sent back to be inscribed, at least with the logos, so I thus get THREE votes...:naughty:

Of course I might have "Proto 1" and Proto 2" on'em instead of some silly ol' serial number...:evil6:
*********************************************************************
UPDATE 3-30-06:

Just got off an extensive phone conversation with the steelmaker today, and here is the scoop as to what is involved in bringing this project to a successful close within a time frame that does not have a different last number on the year - the steel maker forges these bars by hand and can only do 1 (that's ONE) bar, about a foot long, at a time.  Hence it will be a rather long process before we get them all machined, heat treated and back here to build and ship.  There has been nothing closer to a handmade light body up to this point than the DamCham.

Despite this long ramp up period, I would have to commit financially to this project in order to have things begin, and will need to collect your deposits fairly soon - in fact some are already inquiring when they can send theirs in - so please expect a $200 deposit request within a few days.

Other news:

REGENTAG has just assumed the last spot on the list due to an unfortunate drop out.  But family comes first, I always say.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 31, 2006, 01:23:53 AM
PP ready to fire Commander!!.

Welcome Regentag!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 31, 2006, 02:13:18 AM
Yes Regentag, welcome to the Club -- the "ClubCham" or, more specifically, Club DamCham! :evil6: :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 31, 2006, 02:31:04 AM
Hell just get us to send you our money :o Hopefully we see them by the 4th of July, if not Thanksgiving, at this rate we can continue the debate on serializing one of a kind lights
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 31, 2006, 02:49:42 AM
close within a time frame that does not have a different last number on the year


Now THAT is a familiar story.

Hey Regentag, lemme guess: a guy dropped out, Charlie asked you if you wanted his spot and you said:

I'll take it!

 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on March 31, 2006, 03:30:43 AM
... yup, that's pretty much how it went.

Whew. Close shave. 
Nice to be part of this Dam Club already!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on March 31, 2006, 04:22:41 AM
... yup, that's pretty much how it went.

Whew. Close shave. 
Nice to be part of this Dam Club already!

LOL, hard to believe that two Dam Chams will be about 65 miles apart!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 31, 2006, 05:04:50 AM
Yes Regentag, welcome to the Club -- the "ClubCham" or, more specifically, Club DamCham! :evil6: :headbang:

Regentag scores AGAIN!! :icon_biggrin:

ClubCham.. of which many of us are members with the plain old simple aluminium beadblast Chameleon.

Then there are the Titanium members.. who have lights of titanium (no cards here, pfft!)

Then there are the dam.. I mean, Damascus members, who have deeeeeeeeeeeep pockets :P

The DamCham is the new black!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 31, 2006, 08:01:53 AM
The "new black"?  As in...what again? ???
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 31, 2006, 10:05:35 AM
The "new black"?  As in...what again? ???

Roundabout way of saying "it's the 'in' thing to have these days" :icon_biggrin:

Sure is!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 31, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Ahh...:thumbup:

What's them numbers in your avatar?  Lens length of a film-type camera?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on March 31, 2006, 02:51:15 PM
Yes Regentag, welcome to the Club -- the "ClubCham" or, more specifically, Club DamCham! :evil6: :headbang:
Um, that better not be CDC for short.  I don't want to have to get a shot to cure this disease.  :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on March 31, 2006, 03:28:10 PM
Hi All, Is there a reserve list and if so is it too late to get on it. Don't know why I didn't see this stunning light before  :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 31, 2006, 03:33:35 PM
Hi All, Is there a reserve list and if so is it too late to get on it. Don't know why I didn't see this stunning light before  :'(

Graham, yep, there's a waiting list.  Contact Mr. Bulk.

I think it's interesting how the serial number voting is going.  Not surprisingly, those closer to the top of the list (hence lower serial numbers) prefer serial numbers, and those nearer the bottom of the list prefer none. 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on March 31, 2006, 03:40:19 PM
Pay Pal on stand by.
This metal sounds like a fascinating process.
Keep us posted.
Mike :blob8:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on March 31, 2006, 03:41:45 PM
Ahh...:thumbup:

What's them numbers in your avatar?  Lens length of a film-type camera?

Yes, focal length of a zoom lens, one that I particularly like. This particular one is for digital SLRs only.

The numbers are printed on the barrel housing - hope I am not giving anybody any ideas about serial numbers and their lights am I? ;)

Whoa.. it just occured to me that 17x85mm would be one TRULY *MEAN* caliber. :rotflmao:  luckily the dash in the number denotes "to", not "x"!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 31, 2006, 03:55:29 PM
Since this seems like a first for both the flashlight community as well as a first for the Damascus Steel people - Maybe we could score some hi-res photos of the bar stock being produced,  and the machining process - with a light like this, it would be nice to have a mini album to go along with it.....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: FlashMike on March 31, 2006, 04:51:23 PM
Oh yeah, before I forget, there will indeed be a tritium slot plus vial ala' the Ti-Cham...:naughty:
I was looking at the pictures and and had a thought:  Could you use Tritium vials to spell out the serial number of each light in Roman Numerals? VII for 7, etc...

JUST KIDDING! (and X would be hard)

No, I did have a real thought.   I was remembering the discussion on the tritium on the Ti Cham, and I think you worked to ensure that the vial, which is in the battery tube, aligns with the button when the tube is installed.  As I looked at the light, I was wondering how it would look if the location of the vial were moved up to just below the switch, on the electronics module.  This would place the locator immediately next to the switch and eliminate any problems with alignment.

Charlie, is this even possible?  What do you think about the looks of this change?

Anyone else care to comment? (like I could stop any of you)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on March 31, 2006, 05:15:17 PM
I don't remember any mention of a tritium vial on the DamCham. Don't see one on the proto.
Mike :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 31, 2006, 05:55:53 PM
Charlie did say that a tritium vial will be incorporated into the Dam Ch ;)am
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 31, 2006, 06:06:56 PM
Yep, trit is alright.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: FlashMike on March 31, 2006, 06:38:46 PM
Now that we have agreement that a Tritium vial is planned, I'm interested in opinions on appearance.

Only only brought this up because _I_ think the DamCham would look better with vial immediately below the button.  But what do I know?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 31, 2006, 07:28:15 PM
What about 2 Trits flanking either side of the button?  Like this:

I O I

(I are Trits and the O is the button)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on March 31, 2006, 09:25:39 PM
What about 2 Trits flanking either side of the button?  Like this:

I O I

(I are Trits and the O is the button)

Good idea, Geo.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on March 31, 2006, 09:43:13 PM
I suspect that Charlie will make the right choice as only he had the foresight to play with this Damascus, and knowes the randomness of patterns. With this light less metal will be a bad thing, and a trit vial no matter how cool could detract from the grain of the steel.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: FlashMike on March 31, 2006, 09:48:24 PM
Hey Geologist - I had thought of that also!  The mail reason I did not suggest it was that it would mean an additional machining operation AND an additional vial.  Both of which would impact costs.  But I agree with you, it might look cool.

tonyd - There is already goung to be a vial.  I am just suggesting a different location that might look better and might be easier to machine.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on March 31, 2006, 10:36:59 PM
Actually, now that I think of it, tonyd might be right about the material being too thin.  The walls of the control unit are a lot thinner than the battery walls.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 31, 2006, 11:08:37 PM
Since this seems like a first for both the flashlight community as well as a first for the Damascus Steel people - Maybe we could score some hi-res photos of the bar stock being produced,  and the machining process - with a light like this, it would be nice to have a mini album to go along with it.....

I agree, but it is already like pulling teeth just to get things started - and most importantly, finished - in a timely manner.  I don't want to shoot too many extraneous requests into our diligent craftsmen as they concentrate on their duties - duties that are actually not their normal tasks as we should bear in mind that not only is Dam harder to machine than Al (kinda close to machining Ti, according to TnC), but also realize that Damascus is usually only welded into thin, flat sheets (knife blades) and yet I made Del laminate together these relatively gigantic inch-and-a-quarter-across solid bars...having them stop at certain intervals just to snap photos would be an unjustified request regardless how nice they might be to have, and may even affect the ultimate quality of the final product.

But I will mention it, although that would be all.  Can't promise more than that.  If they agree then so be it, and if they cannot, well that will be it as well.  I ask for all of your collective understanding on this facet of the project.

Point about vial placement well taken, and in fact it was the first thing I looked at on the Ti-Cham; however, the "meat" on the Control Module is far too thin to set the vial in totally flush, and you wouldn't want the delicate glass vial to be able to touch anything if it rose above the surface plane.  So Plan B was to inset the vial in the battery tube which is *much* thicker.  It will be this way on the DamCham as well.  Of course there are other places where the metal is thick enough, but then they are not locations that would facilitate the switch indexing function which was the primary reason I used the tritium marker for in the first place.

Oh well, back to the salt mines...BTW, I will be selling/raffling/auctioning one of the original prototypes, not sure when - any suggestions?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 31, 2006, 11:16:37 PM
How 'bout a raffle to benefit some cause or other?  And, no, not the Nemul Foundation.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on March 31, 2006, 11:28:10 PM
Regarding the tritiums - I could also go no tritium - to preserve the look of the steel.

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on March 31, 2006, 11:41:43 PM
How 'bout a raffle to benefit some cause or other?  And, no, not the Nemul Foundation.   :laughing7:

Naw Troy, I was just asking for suggestions as to When since the proto is ready to go right now - the proceeds would be to help me recoup some of this project's costs that were unaccounted for in the final pricing of the DamChams themselves.  For example the cost to build these two protos was phenomenal, machine work alone for their bodies came to $720, although Chris cut me a little slack since I would follow this up with a confirmed multi-unit order.  But a miscalculation on some minor detail - like forgetting to factor in the trit tubes on the Ti-Chams - has taught me a well-learned lesson.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on March 31, 2006, 11:45:54 PM
Well, it makes perfect sense that you should recoup some of this cost.  I'm OK with the Bulk Foundation.   ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 01, 2006, 12:08:54 AM
Man I love tritium.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 01, 2006, 01:25:17 AM
Mr Bulk,

Were you really asking for suggestions on selling/raffling/auctioning one of the prototypes? :o

Wow! the drama is continous over the Dam Cham :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on April 01, 2006, 02:58:51 AM
Please do not lose money on this. These are truly collector items, but more importantly art works. I think all that an-tied up will be happy to ensure your costs are covered and then sum. Anyone correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: indenial on April 01, 2006, 03:23:13 AM
Not that I have any dam chance, but could you put me on the Dam waiting buyer list? I mean Dam-cham! Thanks!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 01, 2006, 06:00:58 AM
Well, it makes perfect sense that you should recoup some of this cost.  I'm OK with the Bulk Foundation.   ;)

I second the motion! PayPal ready to fire Sir! :icon_salut:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 01, 2006, 07:58:57 AM
Okay, let's make it like this then - there are certain listees who are working on personal fiscal arrangements in order to fund their DamChams, so I will not be pressing for deposits for perhaps several more days.  However, those of you who are already with fingers on Paypal triggers, be my guest as far as sending in the $200 deposit as you please.

Your payments will be noted chronologically in my receipt log and I may have to grant certain dispensations for those who deposit early - perhaps adjusting the shipping sequence to match or something - but at no time would an early deposit give anyone claim to rise above anyone else as far as priority for number pickin' goes, if the vote determines we are doing that (still waiting on flashgreenie's final vote).

All clear?

By the way, my Paypal address is

mrbulk(at)gmail(dot)com

and as always, Thank You kindly for your support. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on April 01, 2006, 08:09:30 AM
flashgreenie just voted for No Serial.... Which means that the final vote, aside from the Commander himself, is 12 Serial vs 11 No Serial...  :D

Looks like it will come down to Charlie for the deciding vote...  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 01, 2006, 08:10:38 AM
Mr Bulk,

Thank you, I have been waiting for the word. :D
PayPal on the way :thumbup:

Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 01, 2006, 08:23:06 AM
flashgreenie just voted for No Serial.... Which means that the final vote, aside from the Commander himself, is 12 Serial vs 11 No Serial...  :D

Looks like it will come down to Charlie for the deciding vote...  :thumbup:
Oh no! He gets to vote too! I already sent my $200.00 :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 01, 2006, 09:37:47 AM
I did vote, just a while ago.  Please go there to make your comments as it is a deadlock (and yes you guys can post there now, as the polls are closed)...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 01, 2006, 12:53:20 PM
 :ppsent: for $200 deposit.   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on April 01, 2006, 01:08:01 PM
I believe that the revised total vote is for No Serial Numbers
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 01, 2006, 02:04:10 PM
 :woot: :ppsent: :woot: :ppsent: :woot: :ppsent: :woot: :ppsent: :woot: :ppsent: :woot: :ppsent: :woot: :ppsent: :woot: :ppsent:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: CyanMan on April 01, 2006, 03:27:28 PM
Hello there,

I'm a profound admirer of damascus steel and find this to be an irresistable and freshly original material choice for a flashlight body. Mr. Bulk, could you kindly include me on the backup list? I most certainly would be able willing and ready to make this purchase, no waffling of any kind, except for breakfast, which comes next. Having one of these would be a Dam nice addition to my modest collection.

Much Obliged!

May the Teal Be With You
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 01, 2006, 03:34:45 PM
Welcome to Flashlight-Forums CyanMan!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 01, 2006, 03:36:24 PM
btw - anyone have some good links as to where I can read and further appreciate Damascus steel?  I know it is used it knives and swords - but would like something more than just a  few product links.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on April 01, 2006, 03:43:41 PM
... no waffling of any kind, except for breakfast...

MMMMMMMMMMM waffle!!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on April 01, 2006, 08:10:57 PM
 :ppsent: for deposit of the Dam-Cham...    :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on April 01, 2006, 08:18:41 PM
 :ppsent: for deposit for Dam-Cham

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 01, 2006, 08:43:19 PM
All PP deposits mentioned up to now have been received.  Thank you all kindly.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 01, 2006, 08:48:49 PM
PM sent regarding PP
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 01, 2006, 09:04:28 PM
 :ppsent: for deposit for Dam-Cham

Geo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: marcspar on April 01, 2006, 09:09:30 PM
Paypal enroute to Hawaii.....

Thanks,

Marc
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on April 01, 2006, 09:17:06 PM
Paypal incoming for deposit!!! 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on April 01, 2006, 10:26:59 PM
Charlie, I am now #21 on the list and wonder if you can change my serial number preference to #21 :thumbup: and delete the 23 and 24?  Nobody else on the list has chosen 21 so it would be great if you can ship me #21.

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on April 01, 2006, 10:34:52 PM
btw - anyone have some good links as to where I can read and further appreciate Damascus steel?  I know it is used it knives and swords - but would like something more than just a  few product links.

try http://www.devinthomas.com/index.html
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BigHonu on April 01, 2006, 10:45:47 PM
Geo,

I believe OLD  rifle barrels used to be a type of damascus as well, but can't seem to find info on them.  Stainless damascus is pretty new though, and especially when done in this shape.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on April 01, 2006, 10:51:42 PM
  :sold: :ppsent:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on April 01, 2006, 11:30:18 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/Coolpp.gif)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 02, 2006, 06:50:39 AM
 :ppsent:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on April 02, 2006, 02:08:56 PM
Pay Pal is sent!   :thumbup:
I know it will be subject to some: speculation, projection, guesstimation, improvisation, and a bunch of other tions. But
any idea when we may have these babies in our hands? :D
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 02, 2006, 08:44:24 PM
ok Fishman has chosen #3!

Due to location - we may be wating a few hours for gregw to make his choice!  This is like a Draft Pick Or picking teams for kick ball!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on April 03, 2006, 12:12:55 AM
Just picked my number..  :thumbup: 

NEXT!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 03, 2006, 12:33:25 AM
tonyd, it is YOUR turn next... :headbang: Please go HERE. (http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2355.msg42926#msg42926)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on April 03, 2006, 01:37:38 AM
Well after weeks of debate I have chosen. Although I still thought in the final count that no serial Numbers won.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 03, 2006, 04:06:42 AM
Ive got a Dam question!

Will the color of the metal "Wear" off, like from  sliding it in and out of my Chammie "Holster"???  Is the color on the surface, or does it go deep into the metal, I don't recall reading about this! 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 03, 2006, 05:23:06 AM
Way to go Fishman.
Changed your mind on your serial number already?!!!
TOOOOOOOOOOOO funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 :'( :'( :'( :D :D :D

Should we start over Charlie?

Hahaaaaaa!! I am on the floor laughing! I can not believe this!
 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 03, 2006, 06:16:36 AM
PSM,

The coloration of the Damascus is brought out by heat treating the surface of the metal.  As such the color is only "skin deep" since the heat is much greater at the surface than inside the material, although I cannot say exactly How deep it is.  However, it is definitely NOT an applied "coating" of any kind, and the effect comes out from the metal itself after it is heat processed.  I am curious as to how you got the perception it would "rub off"...?

I carry around one proto all the time now, in the pocket w/keys, in and out of my Rayskin Chameleon Holester from m_thew, setting it down on various surfaces (desks and wooden picnic tables, etc., and not on anything to try and deliberately scratch it such as rocks or sandpaper, etc.), and it looks the same as it did the day I built it.

Kenster, I know it was said in jest but Fishman did explain in a private message the reasons for his selection/s.  Made sense to me, although I cannot divulge them at this time as Fishman would probably kill me...:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 03, 2006, 06:30:51 AM
Mr Bulk,

I am just having fun. This will all be perfect in the end, but in the mean time..........
HAhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
I like it!

Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 03, 2006, 06:32:37 AM
Well, I'm glad Someone is having fun here... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 03, 2006, 06:37:39 AM
Fishman,

No offense intented, I was just having fun.

Sincerely,
Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 03, 2006, 09:30:53 AM
I'm having fun !

So Kenster - assuming PhotonF takes the lowest (as he had formerly indicated), and Troy talkes # 7 (as he had indicated), what number are you gonna pick?  huh?  huh?  huh? 

gregw stole my number!  Or was it Eric?  Or Mr. Bulk?

We gotta do this every week - this is fun!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 03, 2006, 11:41:31 AM
Hey Mr. B. I had no perception it would rub off,just a question!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 03, 2006, 11:50:28 AM
I'm having fun !

So Kenster - assuming PhotonF takes the lowest (as he had formerly indicated), and Troy talkes # 7 (as he had indicated), what number are you gonna pick?  huh?  huh?  huh? 

gregw stole my number!  Or was it Eric?  Or Mr. Bulk?

We gotta do this every week - this is fun!

Well, since we started over on the serial numbers and I had time to really think about what I wanted, I think I will pick.............................................................................................


































                                                                           #24
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 03, 2006, 11:50:55 AM
Hey Mr. B. I had no perception it would rub off,just a question!  :thumbup:

Maybe if you rub it hard & long enough  :icon_shaking2:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 03, 2006, 12:10:18 PM
Well, since we started over on the serial numbers and I had time to really think about what I wanted, I think I will pick...................#24

Wow, that's intense.  Ken, ya got some Dam guts  :thumbup:  Wants to be 1st on the wait list if an extra is made  :evil6:
 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 03, 2006, 12:31:59 PM
Well, since we started over on the serial numbers and I had time to really think about what I wanted, I think I will pick...................#24

Wow, that's intense.  Ken, ya got some Dam guts  :thumbup:  Wants to be 1st on the wait list if an extra is made  :evil6:
 :rotflmao:

No, I think I am just to Dam stupid to know better.
But I am having fun :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on April 03, 2006, 12:59:50 PM
gregw stole my number! 


Good thing I indicated my interest in the Dam-Cham earlier than you!..  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)

Besides, I need #8 to match my #8 Black HA LionCub and my #8 Black HA LionHeart..  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on April 03, 2006, 01:16:27 PM

I know it will be subject to some: speculation, projection, guesstimation, improvisation, and a bunch of other tions. But
any idea when we may have these babies in our hands? :D--------------- :confused1:
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 03, 2006, 03:40:32 PM
In the span of only 2 hours, three of us [Fred (PhotonFanatic), Ken (Kenster) and I] have all submitted our orders with the Soup Nazi.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 03, 2006, 03:55:18 PM
Ya mean "four of us"

I just picked!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 03, 2006, 04:01:49 PM
Well done, Geo.  That's what ah'm talkin' 'bout.  :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on April 03, 2006, 04:10:46 PM
Rapid fire...  I'm in at #14....  See how I left all those nice low numbers for you guys.  Gotta learn to play nice.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 03, 2006, 04:12:23 PM
We are on a roll now!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 03, 2006, 04:12:52 PM
Where is MorpheusT1?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 03, 2006, 04:45:51 PM
AIB - we are not supposed to pst in the serial # thread until it is out turn.  It is now MorpheusT1's turn to pick.

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on April 03, 2006, 06:26:01 PM
I'm thinking of a number, between one and twenty-four.  Can you guess the number?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 03, 2006, 06:43:42 PM
Since the choices are between 00 to 23 - I hope it is not 24!

Lets see - 00-08 plus # 14 are taken.

So that narrows your choices down to 09-13 or 15-23....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 03, 2006, 06:47:04 PM
Fell right into RT's trap.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 03, 2006, 07:05:04 PM
Where is MorpheusT1?


We will continue and skip past Morpheus' position, although it is still held for him through Friday.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 03, 2006, 07:10:55 PM
disregard
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 03, 2006, 11:38:38 PM
disregard

Geologist, Nobody is disregarding you.
You can come on back and play too. :'( :D ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on April 04, 2006, 04:52:14 AM
Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme.

C'mon out and play, Geo.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 04, 2006, 11:35:43 AM
aib, it is YOUR turn next... :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 04, 2006, 11:56:28 AM
Oh boy, I probably get to pick today! I will be on the road working but I WILL post my number today "if" I get the chance!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 04, 2006, 01:11:28 PM
gregw stole my number! 


Good thing I indicated my interest in the Dam-Cham earlier than you!..  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)

Besides, I need #8 to match my #8 Black HA LionCub..  :thumbup:

hehe, but I got #8 for your Exolion Ti  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 04, 2006, 01:30:10 PM
gregw stole my number! 


Good thing I indicated my interest in the Dam-Cham earlier than you!..  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)  (http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)

Besides, I need #8 to match my #8 Black HA LionCub..  :thumbup:

hehe, but I got #8 for the Exolion Ti  :-[
(http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)(http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)(http://www.cybertool.org/smilie/nana.gif)  #1 for both!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 04, 2006, 01:41:12 PM
Cyril, sorry to burst your bubble, but #69 is NOT one of the options.   :rotflmao: :laughing7: :laughing8: :laughing6: :laughing9: :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 04, 2006, 01:57:22 PM
Cyril, sorry to burst your bubble, but #69 is NOT one of the options.   :rotflmao: :laughing7: :laughing8: :laughing6: :laughing9: :evil6:

 :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on April 04, 2006, 02:13:56 PM
Cyril, sorry to burst your bubble, but #69 is NOT one of the options.   :rotflmao: :laughing7: :laughing8: :laughing6: :laughing9: :evil6:


Troy, you not gettting Ti poisoning are you???  Quick, send me your Ti chammie before it is too late...  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on April 04, 2006, 02:23:58 PM
Cyril and Eric, Thanks for your participation in the Exolion run.   :thumbup: My personal Exolion will be without a serial number and will be differently marked..  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 04, 2006, 02:51:58 PM
Ahha the Special Special edition!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on April 04, 2006, 02:57:56 PM
Ahha the Special Special edition!

Yep... Limited to just ONE!!  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 05, 2006, 01:09:26 AM
Grumpy, it is YOUR turn next... :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Grumpy on April 05, 2006, 05:57:57 AM
I'll take #20  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 05, 2006, 08:13:56 AM
fore, it is YOUR turn next... :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 05, 2006, 08:30:12 AM
flashlight, it is YOUR turn next... :headbang:

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 05, 2006, 06:59:16 PM
Likebright, it is YOUR turn next... :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on April 05, 2006, 09:14:57 PM
Deposit Sent!


Did i make it?


(http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/images/smilies/aaa.gif)




 :-[
Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 05, 2006, 09:21:29 PM
Hey Benny, you be IN!

And in that case:

MorpheusT1

it is finally YOUR TURN !!!


:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on April 05, 2006, 09:25:54 PM
 :blinking: :woot: :blinking:



Phew!

Im glad i made it :)



Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 05, 2006, 09:53:04 PM
Likebright

it is now YOUR TURN!!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on April 06, 2006, 03:04:39 AM
Sorry guys,
I was at work. No computer there. Well, there is one but no internet connection on it. :rolleye:
Hope I didn’t hold things up too much.
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 06, 2006, 05:55:42 AM
Soooo...whasss yer number pick there, Like-y? ???
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on April 06, 2006, 12:39:28 PM
Charlie,
It was:
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2474/cham222rx.jpg)
:D
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: kazu on April 06, 2006, 04:23:48 PM
I will take Back-up buyer !

kazu
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 06, 2006, 04:34:10 PM
Charlie,
It was:
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3292/cham27ig.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
:D
Mike
Mike - that is one very cool pic!  Thanks for posting!  Should he be turning brown to match the DC?  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 06, 2006, 04:47:32 PM

Mike - that is one very cool pic!  Thanks for posting!  Should he be turning brown to match the DC?  :icon_scratch:


(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/Whooeydog/cham27ig.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 06, 2006, 05:58:38 PM
Nice pictures - both of them!

Charlie - One request - or at least a request to research the issue....

The diameter of R123 batteries seems to increase every week - and some are too snug for the Chammie Classic / Ti Chammie.  Any chance to give the battery tube a bit more room to resolve this?

THanks













PS - and I might add - This is my 4000th post!  Woohoo!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 06, 2006, 08:49:54 PM
kazu has been added to the back-up buyer's list, in position no.7 behind CyanMan:

1-Yaesumofo

2-Karl

3-cue003

4-London Lad

5-Indenial

6-CyanMan

7-kazu


Geo, at the risk of some battery rattle from those using the "slimmer" batteries, your request is noted.

Now where the heck is Regentag?  The two remaining Hatters would like to know what numbers they ended up with! :icon_scratch: :protest:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on April 06, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
What is it that they say about the grass?
It is looking pretty brown on this side.
Yaesumofo

kazu has been added to the back-up buyer's list, in position no.7 behind CyanMan:

1-Yaesumofo

2-Karl

3-cue003

4-London Lad

5-Indenial

6-CyanMan

7-kazu


Geo, at the risk of some battery rattle from those using the "slimmer" batteries, your request is noted.

Now where the heck is Regentag?  The two remaining Hatters would like to know what numbers they ended up with! :icon_scratch: :protest:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 06, 2006, 09:24:28 PM
What is it that they say about the grass?
It is looking pretty brown on this side.
Yaesumofo

kazu has been added to the back-up buyer's list, in position no.7 behind CyanMan:

1-Yaesumofo

2-Karl

3-cue003

4-London Lad

5-Indenial

6-CyanMan

7-kazu


Geo, at the risk of some battery rattle from those using the "slimmer" batteries, your request is noted.

Now where the heck is Regentag?  The two remaining Hatters would like to know what numbers they ended up with! :icon_scratch: :protest:

Well, if it's brown there it's a helluva lot browner on kazu's side of the fence.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 06, 2006, 10:30:59 PM
BraddahBill & fore, it is YOUR turns next... :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 08, 2006, 02:00:54 AM
And we have closure!

FINAL list:

"00" MR Bulk

"01" EricMack

"02" Fishman

"03" PhotonFanatic

"04" arewethereyetdad

"05" tonyd

"06" Kenster

"07" Geologist

"08" gregw

"09" fore

"10" seattlite

"11" aib

"12" marcspar

"13" flashgreenie

"14" RPM

"15" Steve Stephens

"16" BraddahBill

"17" FlashMike

"18" flashlight

"19" Regentag

"20" Grumpy

"21" Likebright

"22" MorpheusT1

"23" PoliceScannerMan


Please post any more DamCham related stuff here, the number-pickin' thread has been closed.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on April 08, 2006, 03:41:43 AM
hey cool, a list of rich people!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 08, 2006, 03:44:23 AM
Adam should have a dam Cham.   :laughing6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on April 08, 2006, 01:24:39 PM
 :popcorn:
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 08, 2006, 06:10:40 PM
hey cool, a list of rich people!

May I be the first to say :rotflmao:!  If I was a rich man, I'd be buying like a few others here.....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on April 08, 2006, 07:37:29 PM
Surely not rich in money I'm not but people kept telling me to "Get a lite" so I've been buying away to brighent up and lighten up my life until I just realized they must have meant to "Get a life".  Should I quit buying now that I know I made a mistake?  No way- these little "lifes" are to much fun and well made works of usable art.  Where does it go from here?  How can one use more than two flashlights?  But the Dam Cham is too unique to pass up and many other lights, made of so many different metals and finishes are, also, too neat to pass up.  Since the Dam Cham I have ordered a Nano, CR2 Ion (blue), Peak Pacific 2 2xAAA, AA, and CR2 bodies and, today, a RAW NS smoothie.  Just doing some catching up after being away from the forum for a few months.  Still hoping to snag an SPY005 if there are any extras made.   I'm sure there will be many more to come and there has to be an end in sight somewhere or I'll reallyl go broke.  One gets "rich" by not wasting his money but using it wisely.  Is this a wise purchase??  Time will tell.

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 09, 2006, 12:50:22 AM
Surely not rich in money I'm not but people kept telling me to "Get a lite" so I've been buying away to brighent up and lighten up my life until I just realized they must have meant to "Get a life".  Should I quit buying now that I know I made a mistake?  No way- these little "lifes" are to much fun and well made works of usable art.  Where does it go from here?  How can one use more than two flashlights?  But the Dam Cham is too unique to pass up and many other lights, made of so many different metals and finishes are, also, too neat to pass up.  Since the Dam Cham I have ordered a Nano, CR2 Ion (blue), Peak Pacific 2 2xAAA, AA, and CR2 bodies and, today, a RAW NS smoothie.  Just doing some catching up after being away from the forum for a few months.  Still hoping to snag an SPY005 if there are any extras made.   I'm sure there will be many more to come and there has to be an end in sight somewhere or I'll reallyl go broke.  One gets "rich" by not wasting his money but using it wisely.  Is this a wise purchase??  Time will tell.

Steve

"Wise purchase?"  Hmmm.  An interesting question.   :thinking:  That is relative.  If it provides you with personal joy, and you can afford it, I say why not?  If it brings you more happiness than two tickets to a ballgame or a fancy dinner or a new cell phone, then what the hey!  Go for it.  One thing's for sure, Steve: you most assuredly are a flashaholic.   :fingerdance:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on April 09, 2006, 01:41:30 AM
Wise purchase?  I think most of my friends would put this in the category of "retarded" or "ridiculous," but hey, I like lights.  I just saw the updates on the first page.  **** yeah...I'm okay with being on the list.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 09, 2006, 03:15:17 AM
You bet its a wise purchase!  Garuanteed you can sell this light for every penny you paid if you dont like it.  When your bills are paid and there is food on the table and clothes on your family's  back, if there is still money left over to make your 40-70 hours a week to seem worth it, TREAT YOURSELF!  Thats why you work, take care of your priorities first, then do something for yourself.

Dont worry about your friends, screw what they think. 

When the days over, you can just sit there with your Dam Cham and just admire it.  Thats what makes me happy.  All my friends and family call me "Flashlight King".  They razz me, but hell, I dont have a mainstream hobby like guns and golf, etc, where its sane to spend $$$ on those hobbies.  But God forbid us spend $300-$500 on a light, were insane for that.  (BTW I got 3 pars and a birdie today!) :thumbup:

Anywho, off my soapbox, how do you guys like my new Avatar?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 09, 2006, 03:18:58 AM
You bet its a wise purchase!  Garuanteed you can sell this light for every penny you paid if you dont like it.  When your bills are paid and there is food on the table and clothes on your family's  back, if there is still money left over to make your 40-70 hours a week to seem worth it, TREAT YOURSELF!  Thats why you work, take care of your priorities first, then do something for yourself.

Dont worry about your friends, screw what they think. 

When the days over, you can just sit there with your Dam Cham and just admire it.  Thats what makes me happy.  All my friends and family call me "Flashlight King".  They razz me, but hell, I dont have a mainstream hobby like guns and golf, etc, where its sane to spend $$$ on those hobbies.  But God forbid us spend $300-$500 on a light, were insane for that.  (BTW I got 3 pars and a birdie today!) :thumbup:

Anywho, off my soapbox, how do you guys like my new Avatar?

PSM, you are too much.   :laughing7:  First of all, your avatar rocks!  Especially the line underneath.  Second, hey, I'M  the Flashlight King!  Well, at least around these parts I am.  :laughing6:  But I do agree with you.  The comparison to golf, guns, etc. is a fair statement.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on April 09, 2006, 10:05:52 AM
Lets also remember that this light is art. What is the going price for a Rubens, Rembrant, Bierstat, etc. ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 09, 2006, 10:40:26 AM
Nice avatar PSM, seems rather familiar somehow...:evil6:

And your avatar liine is intriguing - "23/24"?  

Naw, I think it will be more like "23/23" - but then my own light would have to be "00/23"...which is technically incorrect since there will be 24 lights made.

Hmmm, what to do...:thinking:...no promises yet, but I'm quite sure this'll be solved at the end.

But yes, the personal justifications for getting a new light, golf club, car (and their expensive aftermarket parts), plus the accompanying accoutrements of almost every other hobby, are indeed sound IMHO.  After all life is tough enough to go through, so without any perks - well, you know what they say about Jack and all work with no play.  

A very wise man known for his astute quotes once said long ago that "Little things affect little minds", and "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation".  Another wise man from more modern times said, "None of this will matter a hundred years from now", so if I manage my life from the perspective of these sayings, then what's $1200 for a catback exhaust system on my Mach-1 (which I did a couple of years ago), or a new light, or the latest Big Bertha golf club or 52-inch flat screen TV?

I don't wanna be on my deathbed someday with any  thoughts of, "Gee, I wish I had done that"...so I intend to experience everything that I comfortably can.

You see, you can do everything to thwart the first half of that doomsday-sounding bumper sticker proclamation that reads,"Life's a bitch, and then you die", or you can sit back and allow it to become your own self-fulfilling prophecy.  

The ball's in your court - so SLAM it the hell outta there! :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 09, 2006, 10:42:17 AM
Lets also remember that this light is art. What is the going price for a Rubens, Rembrant, Bierstat, etc. ;)

That is actually my plan - one day I will be selling my DamCham at Southerby's- the worlds FIRST flashlight made of Damascus Steel!  Less than 25 ever made!  

"We will start this auction at $250,000"
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 09, 2006, 12:28:31 PM
Lets also remember that this light is art. What is the going price for a Rubens, Rembrant, Bierstat, etc. ;)

That is actually my plan - one day I will be selling my DamCham at Southerby's- the worlds FIRST flashlight made of Damascus Steel!  Less than 25 ever made!  

"We will start this auction at $250,000"


arewethereyetdad raises his hand for he must have two!  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 09, 2006, 12:35:38 PM
Lets also remember that this light is art. What is the going price for a Rubens, Rembrant, Bierstat, etc. ;)

That is actually my plan - one day I will be selling my DamCham at Southerby's- the worlds FIRST flashlight made of Damascus Steel!  Less than 25 ever made!  

"We will start this auction at $250,000"


arewethereyetdad raises his hand for he must have two!  :P

A bidding war between AWTYD and RT - that would be divine for me!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on April 09, 2006, 12:48:54 PM
Nice avatar PSM, seems rather familiar somehow...:evil6:

And your avatar liine is intriguing - "23/24"? 

Naw, I think it will be more like "23/23" - but then my own light would have to be "00/23"...which is technically incorrect since there will be 24 lights made.

Hmmm, what to do...:thinking:...no promises yet, but I'm quite sure this'll be solved at the end.

But yes, the personal justifications for getting a new light, golf club, car (and their expensive aftermarket parts), plus the accompanying accoutrements of almost every other hobby, are indeed sound IMHO.  After all life is tough enough to go through, so without any perks - well, you know what they say about Jack and all work with no play. 

A very wise man known for his astute quotes once said long ago that "Little things affect little minds", and "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation".  Another wise man from more modern times said, "None of this will matter a hundred years from now", so if I manage my life from the perspective of these sayings, then what's $1200 for a catback exhaust system on my Mach-1 (which I did a couple of years ago), or a new light, or the latest Big Bertha golf club or 52-inch flat screen TV?

I don't wanna be on my deathbed someday with any  thoughts of, "Gee, I wish I had done that"...so I intend to experience everything that I comfortably can.

You see, you can do everything to thwart the first half of that doomsday-sounding bumper sticker proclamation that reads,"Life's a bitch, and then you die", or you can sit back and allow it to become your own self-fulfilling prophecy. 

The ball's in your court - so SLAM it the hell outta there! :headbang:

Most men (people, really) live lives of quiet desperation?

I think that quote needs a 21st-century update...

Most sheeple live exceptionally mundane lives - where I am, apparently, the *ONLY* thing that ever matters to people is to study as hard and as long as possible, get good grades, go to university, get a job, get married, get a little concrete pigeonhole, have kids and die off. All to be done as fast as possible. And nothing else really does matter to them apart from the little trivialities, pettiness, envy, incompetence, and so on that seems to constitute most of these phases.

The best part - most of the sheeple talk to me as if these are the only things that matter. Umm, ok. Whatever.

I choose to plot my own path to my own destiny. And when possible, I'll have fun along the way. I choose to see things in a different way, I choose to seek a deeper wisdom, and answer a higher calling. I'm in my job because I make a difference.

Oh, and I don't mind owning a few more lights while I'm at it and there's money in the Paypal balance. :icon_biggrin:

Live while you can and do everything you can... enjoy and experience the lights for everything they are and so much more. The reason why they don't have mass market appeal is that the sheeple, by virtue of their little minds, go for the shallower forms of entertainment. After all, if art (such as ours) is too abstract and complex, the sheeple don't have the mental power, or the will to interpret it, so its meaning is lost on them. Small things, for small minds, after all.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on April 10, 2006, 03:02:51 AM
Charlie-

I've been following this with great interest...  It's about time soebody made a damascus light...figures that it'd be you.  :thumbup:

I have worked extensively with damascus...nearly every knife I've made over the past few years has contained at least some damascus.  I'm quite famiar with Delbert Ealy's damascus...he makes beautiful steel. 

Del only makes carbon damascus, which unlike stainless damascus, it can be beautifully and vividly colored with heat and/or bluing salts.  I've used nitre salts on number of occasions and you can achieve brilliant colors of blue, purple, green, gold, even some reddish tones. The brownish tone that I see in your DamCham sample photo suggest that it has been done strictly as a result of the heat treat, which can indeed produce some really interesting colors. 

Having said all that, I personally think that etching is still my favorite way to bring out the pattern in damascus.  When done properly the surface can then be lightly polished to a beautiful, jewelry-like lustre. 

Anyway it's treated, there's nothing like damascus steel...I love the stuff!

Here are a couple of my knives with damascus bolsters.  Both examples were made using damascus made by my friend Robert Eggerling (probably the most famous damascus maker in the USA).  For the first knife I used nitre salts and took the bolsters to a vivid blue color.  The bolsters on the 2nd knife were deeply etched in a solution that I made up of 2 parts ferric chloride and 1 part white vinegar.  It's slower than other etchants but if done right will yield fantastic results.

(http://a8.cpimg.com/image/CC/C4/46003148-9cb1-026401AE-.jpg)

Before being etched:
(http://a3.cpimg.com/image/31/1A/28300593-affc-01F8017A-.jpg)
After being etched:
(http://a1.cpimg.com/image/C1/E5/29140161-27c7-021C0195-.jpg)


This is a from a page out of our upcoming book,"The Art of Modern Custom Knifemaking" (premiering this June at Blade Show 2006 in Atlanta)...It shows many different patterns of damascus made by Bob Eggerling (Bob made the cool little knife):
(http://a4.cpimg.com/image/0A/94/46001674-87ba-01BF0240-.jpg)

Looking forward to seeing the final DamCham's...I'm sure they'll be absolute works of art. 


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
aka Osprey Guy
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 10, 2006, 03:09:56 AM
Interesting stuff, Dennis.  Thanks for the education!   :thumbup:  I'm only getting one of the four pics, though.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on April 10, 2006, 03:11:46 AM
I think I fixed that...try again.

Dennis
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 10, 2006, 03:19:07 AM
Whoa.  Those are SA-WEEET!  Very, VERY cool stuff!  And you're writing a book about it, to boot.   :notworthy: :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on April 10, 2006, 03:23:49 AM
ooowwwhh pretty!!!! that was really interesting, Dennis!!!!
 mr. B, can we get the dam chammie in different colors???  :blinking: :blob9: We going to need to get you a chemistry set of course...  :thinking: :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on April 10, 2006, 03:54:52 AM
Charlie- Didn't mean to open a can of worns here.  Just wanted to pass along some fun info about damascus... For you to do the lights in different colors would require them being treated one-at-a-time...I'm sure that would at a significant increase to the cost!

Now for some more damascus pics...

One of the perks of being the book's co-author is that I get my own 4-page spread.  Like the other spreads in the book (in total-100 makers with 100 spreads) my spread shows approx. 16 pics of me working on a knife.  Here are two of the pics from my spread...

We started off with a photo of the raw materials, including a small bar of Eggerling's damascus (the only reason you can see the pattern at this early stage is because I dipped a cotton swab in my etchant and lightly ran it over the steel, so that I could see what I was doing)...
(http://a2.cpimg.com/image/6A/0B/54758762-f884-025801BB-.jpg)

Here's the finished knife:
(http://a3.cpimg.com/image/6B/0B/54758763-7baa-025801EB-.jpg)

As you can see, when done right, the damascus can be very dramatic!  :D


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 10, 2006, 04:07:01 AM

As you can see, when done right, the damascus can be very dramatic!  :D


I'll say.  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on April 10, 2006, 04:16:52 AM
ooowwwhh pretty!!!! that was really interesting, Dennis!!!!
 mr. B, can we get the dam chammie in different colors???  :blinking: :blob9: We going to need to get you a chemistry set of course...  :thinking: :evil6:

"Colored damascus - Type II anodizing is for weenies" :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on April 10, 2006, 04:20:56 AM
Quote
"Colored damascus - Type II anodizing is for weenies"

If you look closely at that last knife photo, the liners under the carved ivory are fileworked titanium that I anodized a bright blue.  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on April 10, 2006, 04:29:56 AM
I was actually thinking of Type II aluminium found on many other flashlights. Anodized TITANIUM.... uhh, I think you'd better run because you will now have to beat off awtyd with a stick!! :icon_biggrin:   

*hears stampeding feet in the background as the titanium FF community perks up*

Actually this is cool.. we could have a collaboration between you and Charlie, a fusion of your incredible metalworking magic and Charlie's awesome lights.. (oh and Charlie.. I want a LUX FIVE :P)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on April 10, 2006, 05:02:56 AM
What are we working towards here?  Maybe a new anodized damascus titanium flashlight with ivory grips?  I'm in for one if the price can be kept below $635.  Fat chance on that.  Beautiful knife Dennis.

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 10, 2006, 05:40:16 AM
Okay I want my DamCham in blue!  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 10, 2006, 05:55:46 AM
Osprey Guy,

Okee doke, sounds like you and me might have to talk after I get out from under this DamCham project...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on April 10, 2006, 08:29:11 AM
Osprey Guy,

Okee doke, sounds like you and me might have to talk after I get out from under this DamCham project...

NO!!!!  WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!!  I've just created yet another opportunity for myself to be relieved of my money!!


(the good thing is that it'll probably be out of my price range from the get go, so that's ok.. make sure you folks price it >$500 :icon_biggrin:)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BigHonu on April 10, 2006, 09:26:32 AM
Dennis, those are amazing knives!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lips on April 10, 2006, 09:59:19 AM
That blue shade did something to my blood sugar, had to go get a Pop-Tart!   Lux 5 would be Snoop Dog Pishizzeled...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on April 10, 2006, 10:20:53 AM
Osprey Guy,

Okee doke, sounds like you and me might have to talk after I get out from under this DamCham project...

Yes, you guys talk.  :thumbup:

Dennis, absolutely beautiful work :drool:

Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lightstream on April 10, 2006, 12:33:54 PM
That blue shade did something to my blood sugar, had to go get a Pop-Tart!   Lux 5 would be Snoop Dog Pishizzeled...

Or...

or...

.. dare we even entertain the thought of...









A LIONHID?


Come on Charlie, YOU CAN DO IT, hey even I can build a HID and a peon like me has nowhere near your mastery of the craft!

(http://pix.lightrefineries.org/albums/roadtohid/aao.jpg)
(35W HID at 350 meters/1200 feet. Canon 20D, EF-S 10-22)

And if you can make it a 35W and Beast sized, YOU WILL get $500 out of me! (but dangit, I want it to be rechargeable.. LITHIUM ION.. :icon_biggrin:)

This is how brutally it abuses a LuxV - my X-bin U2, on top of that!!

(http://pix.lightrefineries.org/albums/roadtohid/aas.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on April 10, 2006, 02:36:07 PM
Those knifes are great! Dennis.
How many bars is Mr. Ely up to now Charlie?
I'd like to see what one looks like before it gets milled.
Mike  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on April 10, 2006, 06:39:40 PM
Osprey Guy,

Okee doke, sounds like you and me might have to talk after I get out from under this DamCham project...


mr.B, U are DA MAN!!!   :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Lightstream, time to start saving your money. Buy your USM lenses some other time...  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on April 13, 2006, 05:09:45 PM
Anybody give up their spot yet?
Yaesumofo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 13, 2006, 05:37:47 PM
Anybody give up their spot yet?
Yaesumofo
If you can arrange a snipe hunt with Eva Longoria, I am sure you could have Troy's  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 13, 2006, 05:45:06 PM
Anybody give up their spot yet?
Yaesumofo
If you can arrange a snipe hunt with Eva Longoria, I am sure you could have Troy's  :laughing7:

That I would agree with.  Mofo, put on your charm on Eva.  She can have any light she wants of mine.  Of course, there would be a reciprocal agreement in place.   :naughty: :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on April 14, 2006, 05:56:03 PM
Funny thing about this EVA thing is that  have actually worked with her on desperate. So there.
Yaesumofo


Anybody give up their spot yet?
Yaesumofo
If you can arrange a snipe hunt with Eva Longoria, I am sure you could have Troy's  :laughing7:

That I would agree with.  Mofo, put on your charm on Eva.  She can have any light she wants of mine.  Of course, there would be a reciprocal agreement in place.   :naughty: :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 14, 2006, 06:10:56 PM
Funny thing about this EVA thing is that  have actually worked with her on desperate. So there.
Yaesumofo


Anybody give up their spot yet?
Yaesumofo
If you can arrange a snipe hunt with Eva Longoria, I am sure you could have Troy's  :laughing7:

That I would agree with.  Mofo, put on your charm on Eva.  She can have any light she wants of mine.  Of course, there would be a reciprocal agreement in place.   :naughty: :evil6:

Well, there ya go.  There's one way to get your hands on a Dam Cham.   ;)  Just set it up my man.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 14, 2006, 07:46:16 PM
James - ask her is should would like to be the official F-F supermodel!  Once a year she could pose for a photo or two holding a brass cub or a Ti-Chammie......
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 14, 2006, 07:54:34 PM
James - ask her is should would like to be the official F-F supermodel!  Once a year she could pose for a photo or two holding a brass cub or a Ti-Chammie......
Shoot, we can photochop her holding anything we want for cheap!  Maybe Troy would lend us a cool pipe for that...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 14, 2006, 08:00:51 PM
Who needs photoshop?  I wanted to be the one taking the pictures!

course I would need an assistant.....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on April 15, 2006, 10:28:02 AM
Who needs photoshop?  I wanted to be the one taking the pictures!

course I would need an assistant.....


Then that would be me....... :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 15, 2006, 06:28:24 PM
Alright James, Bill and I are ready!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 20, 2006, 01:50:54 PM
Boy, sure is quiet in this thread!   :sleepy4:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 20, 2006, 02:09:07 PM
Boy, sure is quiet in this thread!   :sleepy4:
You must have forgot to send in the rest of your payment!  Everyone else has theirs - you see THIS club is a "secret" club!  :rotflmao:

I think nemul was asking about that leftover #1 light...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 20, 2006, 02:38:46 PM
Hmmmm, somebodies gotta ask........

8)Any Updates??? 8)                                                       8)Any Updates??? 8)                                                                       8)Any Updates??? 8)                                                 8)Any Updates??? 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 20, 2006, 02:40:33 PM
Boy, sure is quiet in this thread!   :sleepy4:
You must have forgot to send in the rest of your payment!  Everyone else has theirs - you see THIS club is a "secret" club!  :rotflmao:

I think nemul was asking about that leftover #1 light...
Ya know, you are real lucky there is such a big pond between us, funny guy  :violent1:

Hmmm, I'm thinking we need Regentag to come spice things up (again)  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 20, 2006, 02:58:06 PM
 :sleepy1:  The machine is half way through cutting the second unit.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 20, 2006, 02:59:07 PM
Hey Mack, your Avatar gave me a nightmare last night dude.  There was spiders everywhere, and my Dam Cham wouldnt light up cuz there was no battery in it.  It was horrible.  Maybe I spend to much time on FF???
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 20, 2006, 03:06:25 PM
Hey Mack, your Avatar gave me a nightmare last night dude.  There was spiders everywhere, and my Dam Cham wouldnt light up cuz there was no battery in it.  It was horrible.  Maybe I spend to much time on FF???
You are one to talk!  I had a dream I bit into a Taco and chipped a tooth on a chrome PD  :laughing8:  I'm sure it has something to do with seeing your sig pic!  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 20, 2006, 03:11:08 PM
Hey Mack, your Avatar gave me a nightmare last night dude.  There was spiders everywhere, and my Dam Cham wouldnt light up cuz there was no battery in it.  It was horrible.  Maybe I spend to much time on FF???
You are one to talk!  I had a dream I bit into a Taco and chipped a tooth on a chrome PD  :laughing8:  I'm sure it has something to do with seeing your sig pic!  8)

 :rotflmao:
Did I mention after I ran from the spiders, two guys, both named Larry picked me up and threw me back into the spider pit!  It was down right scary. :sad1:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 20, 2006, 03:27:32 PM
You are one to talk!  I had a dream I bit into a Taco and chipped a tooth on a chrome PD  :laughing8:  I'm sure it has something to do with seeing your sig pic!  8)


 :rotflmao:
Did I mention after I ran from the spiders, two guys, both named Larry picked me up and threw me back into the spider pit!  It was down right scary. :sad1:

Yeah, you gotta watch out for the Larry brothers.  They are still ticked at all the Ti hoarding going on  :laughing7:
They just left me with a tarantula size hole in the wallet  :tongue2:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 20, 2006, 03:58:30 PM
You are one to talk!  I had a dream I bit into a Taco and chipped a tooth on a chrome PD  :laughing8:  I'm sure it has something to do with seeing your sig pic!  8)


 :rotflmao:
Did I mention after I ran from the spiders, two guys, both named Larry picked me up and threw me back into the spider pit!  It was down right scary. :sad1:

Yeah, you gotta watch out for the Larry brothers.  They are still ticked at all the Ti hoarding going on  :laughing7:
They just left me with a tarantula size hole in the wallet  :tongue2:

Ti hoarding?  Who's doin' that?   :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 20, 2006, 05:00:18 PM
Wanna rent a Ti Light for the night?

Oh you said HOARDING!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 20, 2006, 05:05:43 PM
Wanna rent a Ti Light for the night?

Oh you said HOARDING!

No, just for a few hours!

 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PKT on April 20, 2006, 10:44:49 PM
You guys ain't right  :tongue3:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 21, 2006, 01:49:25 AM
You guys ain't right  :tongue3:

Phil, you're right.  We ain't.   :rotflmao: :tongue3: :tard:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 21, 2006, 01:57:12 AM
Sorry for my scarceness lately but as those who've known me for a while will attest, once a year we have to attend Annual Recall Training with not only classroom sessions for the latest law updates, but also unending PT trials with running and jumping and pushups and situps and bench pressing our body weight and a 1.5-mile run and 300-meter power sprint and Illinois Shuttle Run obstacle course and mat work in the dojo and, and, and...this is really a young guy's job...

Been lobbying for a few years for job-duty specific physical trials but it falls on deaf ears since the upper management (Captains and above) don't really have to attend the same Recall as we do, they get a "modified" course of training.  Mm-hmmm...

Will be catching up on threads while icing down my aching 53-year old joints since we are finally done...:headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 21, 2006, 03:23:11 AM
Which light were you EDCing during that sprint Charlie? I hope it wasnt a brass cub!  That would easily add 2 seconds to your time!  :icon_salut:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 21, 2006, 05:30:22 AM
Sorry for my scarceness lately but as though who've known me for a while will attest, once a year we all have to attend Annual Recall Training with the classroom sessions for the latest law updates, plus unending PT trials with running and jumping and puships and situps and bench pressing our body weight and a 1.5-mile run and 300-meter power sprint and Illinois Shuttle Run obstacle course and mat work in the dojo and, and, and...this is really a young guy's job...

Been lobbying for a few years for job-duty specific physical trials but it falls on deaf ears since the upper management (Captains and above) don't really have to attend the same Recall as we do, they get a "modified" course of training.  Mm-hmmm...

Will be catching up on threads while icing down my aching 53-year old joints since we are finally done...:headbang:

I never did well in my IPPTs, managed to pass most of the stations but never the 2.4km run.. :(

Charlie, you need heat for aches not ice, unless there's swelling (speaking from personal experience here  :-[), firing up a few Chams at close range to the joint in question should do the job nicely.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: marcspar on April 24, 2006, 12:33:47 PM
Any DAM news, photos, updates for the impatient masses?

Thanks,

Marc
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on April 24, 2006, 03:12:21 PM
Ohh  come on. Someone drop out PLEASE !!  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on April 24, 2006, 08:41:25 PM
 :icon_shaking2: :popcorn:
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 24, 2006, 11:19:33 PM
:thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 24, 2006, 11:23:59 PM
:thinking:

 :rotflmao:  Well, there's your update!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 25, 2006, 12:07:07 AM
:thinking:
Mr. Bulk, Supreme Galactic Commander and King of the Understatement...  :icon_king:
 :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on April 25, 2006, 12:19:10 AM
:thinking:

:thinking: :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on April 25, 2006, 12:27:23 AM
OK I drop out.....................Not :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on April 25, 2006, 07:41:10 AM
OK I drop out.....................Not :D


 :blinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 25, 2006, 11:24:59 PM
Actually there is not that much to update, aside from us discovering that something done as a favor by the steelmaker for the first proto bar was overlooked now that we are into a fullscale project.  Meaning it will have to be carried out by Somebody - specifically the symmetrical rounding of the bars before they can be introduced into the automated CNC machining process.

The bars come eight-sided, like those old musket barrels, but not perfectly even all around of course since they simply end up in that shape after all the folding/pressing/welding processes.

Again the CNC machinery will not round them off so they have to be turned by hand on a "manual" metal lathe.  Just completed negotiating with someone who will be doing it.

This has not affected delivery schedules, still slated for some time this - year...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on April 26, 2006, 12:15:16 AM
The bars come eight-sided, like those old musket barrels
This has not affected delivery schedules, still slated for some time this - year...:naughty:
Way Cool!  I want mine in a Dam Octagon, Charlie!  :laughing7:
Thanks for the update, did Del say how many bars are done at this point?  Good to know it will be in '06  :occasion14:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on April 26, 2006, 01:34:01 AM
Well, DAM it all, Charlie.  We want to see PICS of the raw octagonal bar stock.  Hey, we've got two hunny each in this already and we need some PHOTOS!   :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on April 26, 2006, 02:33:42 AM
Hell had I known this I would have rounded- off for free. Although you would have to get them to Ohio.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on April 26, 2006, 04:38:59 AM
I too would not mind leaving it in an octagon shape if that'll work especially if it'll reduce completion time. :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 26, 2006, 08:52:27 AM
Sadly, there will be no octopi in this run...the bars are just "roughly" octagonal, meaning if you took a super-heated slab of metal and folded/smashed it over a few times between the two parallel surfaces of a hydraulic press, you'd end up with something 8-sided all right, but it'd be far from symmetric. And That is a big no-no when it must then be thrust into the innards of a computer-microspec'd CNC machine's guts.

Oh well... :dontknow:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on April 26, 2006, 02:35:38 PM
Thanks for the updates Charlie.
 :popcorn:
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on April 26, 2006, 03:50:51 PM
THanks for the updates!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: raggie on April 29, 2006, 02:45:14 AM
dem sure r perty  specaily the copper brown looking color one .man i should learn my colors
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on April 29, 2006, 08:24:55 AM
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on April 30, 2006, 04:29:35 PM
Well, you could leave the outside "rough", and bore the inside out to fit the .001 spec of the circuits and all that "unimportant stuff", now getting the three sections to line up would be a neat trick.

Just another useless suggestion from the mob...

Cheers,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on May 01, 2006, 09:07:58 PM
Yeah great idea,


Kindof like a Flintstone chameleon.
But i would need a Dinosaur Holester to carry it in.


Matt are you up to the task?

 :rotflmao:


Benny


Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 01, 2006, 09:27:49 PM
Yeah and instead of a battery, there could be one of those little animals on a hamster wheel inside the battery tube.  Wonder if they could drive CT5?

:rotflmao:
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Post by: MR Bulk on May 02, 2006, 02:46:38 AM
Yeah and instead of a battery, there could be one of those little animals on a hamster wheel inside the battery tube.  Wonder if they could drive CT5?

:rotflmao:

:rolf: :evil6: :laughing11:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: ernsanada on May 11, 2006, 12:23:51 AM
Yeah and instead of a battery, there could be one of those little animals on a hamster wheel inside the battery tube.  Wonder if they could drive CT5?

:rotflmao:

Or you can power it with the good old rubber band.   :D

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1424/gui552ql.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 11, 2006, 10:15:03 PM
Yeah but I don't think Fred Flintstone had rubber bands!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on May 12, 2006, 02:42:51 AM
Please Charlie make up some stories or some photos of Dam steel as this thread is running amok :yawn:
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on May 12, 2006, 03:03:58 AM
Please Charlie make up some stories or some photos of Dam steel as this thread is running amok :yawn:

Yeah, Charlie, please give us some secret photos of the Dam in progress.  The machine shop doesn't need to know.  You could have the camera in your shirt pocket or somethin' like they do on Parco P.I.   :laughing8:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on May 12, 2006, 03:08:41 AM
I need some DAM info.  If battery life with the smaller cells (RCR123) is a concern to anyone because of high level output shutdown. Is there any plan to offer a higher capacity cell body for the DamCham?  I currently run my Chammies on the 150 or 168 batteries when using the larger head/reflector and the 123 with the slim head configuration. Any thoughts?  or am I so DAM bored that I felt the need to write this? :BangHead:  Maybe a WTB for something made of Ti would do the trick  ;)  Sorry for getting OT.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on May 12, 2006, 05:13:52 AM
I need some DAM info.  If battery life with the smaller cells (RCR123) is a concern to anyone because of high level output shutdown. Is there any plan to offer a higher capacity cell body for the DamCham?  I currently run my Chammies on the 150 or 168 batteries when using the larger head/reflector and the 123 with the slim head configuration. Any thoughts?  or am I so DAM bored that I felt the need to write this? :BangHead:  Maybe a WTB for something made of Ti would do the trick  ;)  Sorry for getting OT.

Hmm, maybe when Otok makes the Ti 168A bodies?  I'll probably run the Dam on CT4 with the stock configuration.  The balance should be a little better with Ti instead of Al.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on May 14, 2006, 02:03:46 AM
Yes, Otok - okay everybody, go bother OTOK! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on May 14, 2006, 02:33:18 PM
 :popcorn:
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on May 18, 2006, 07:59:23 PM
Any updates here... :D





Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on May 18, 2006, 09:28:47 PM
Nope.  Waiting on the bars to be completed - they are actually all welded up, but now need to each be brought down to the exact dimensions the CNC lathes will accept...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on May 18, 2006, 09:47:46 PM
Thanks Charlie  :thumbup:



I am really looking forward to holding a Dam-Cham in my hand.





Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on May 19, 2006, 12:21:24 AM
Dam, Gregs light is near shipping DamChams are months away, I think we need a new light. Otok, lets see the tri. :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on May 19, 2006, 12:24:53 AM
Dam, Gregs light is near shipping DamChams are months away, I think we need a new light. Otok, lets see the tri. :D

The tri?   :thinking: :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on May 19, 2006, 12:36:58 AM
Check back on Otok three LED light with Three 123's
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on May 19, 2006, 12:39:51 AM
Sorry 3-150's :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on May 19, 2006, 12:52:19 AM
Thanks Charlie  :thumbup:

I am really looking forward to holding a Dam-Cham in my hand.

Benny

Me too!  Hope it gets here before I'm too old to hold it up! :laughing8:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 19, 2006, 04:57:01 PM
Eric - just put me in your will for the DamCham- your kids would sell it at a garage sale for $2.00 anyway!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on May 19, 2006, 08:45:13 PM
Eric - just put me in your will for the DamCham- your kids would sell it at a garage sale for $2.00 anyway!

Well, Geo, the next owner of my DC will have to get it via my Will  :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on May 21, 2006, 02:49:41 AM
Eric - just put me in your will for the DamCham- your kids would sell it at a garage sale for $2.00 anyway!

Well, Geo, the next owner of my DC will have to get it via my Will  :headbang:

You'd have to show it as a receivable on your estate balance sheet given the rate at which they're gettin' machined.   :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 21, 2006, 06:43:46 AM
Eric - just put me in your will for the DamCham- your kids would sell it at a garage sale for $2.00 anyway!


Well, Geo, the next owner of my DC will have to get it via my Will  :headbang:

You'd have to show it as a receivable on your estate balance sheet given the rate at which they're gettin' machined.   :evil6:

:rotflmao:
This isn't a $39 light - despite what your wife thinks - these things take time...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on May 21, 2006, 07:17:14 AM
Eric - just put me in your will for the DamCham- your kids would sell it at a garage sale for $2.00 anyway!

Well, Geo, the next owner of my DC will have to get it via my Will  :headbang:

You'd have to show it as a receivable on your estate balance sheet given the rate at which they're gettin' machined.   :evil6:

CUT-OFF! :nono:

:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 21, 2006, 08:34:02 AM
Eric - just put me in your will for the DamCham- your kids would sell it at a garage sale for $2.00 anyway!

Well, Geo, the next owner of my DC will have to get it via my Will  :headbang:

You'd have to show it as a receivable on your estate balance sheet given the rate at which they're gettin' machined.   :evil6:

CUT-OFF! :nono:

:evil6:

Does that mean I get on the list for TWO DamChams?  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on May 21, 2006, 09:28:08 AM
whats that geo, you want yours cut in two????   :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 21, 2006, 10:53:16 AM
whats that geo, you want yours cut in two????   :P

:P

er - no!

Would you really do that to ART?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on May 21, 2006, 01:36:59 PM
I thought that WAS art...  :D


 
 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on May 23, 2006, 11:25:39 AM
Am I Still first in line for a drop out.
I hope so.
Yaesumofo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on May 23, 2006, 01:24:43 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 23, 2006, 03:45:38 PM
Eric - just put me in your will for the DamCham- your kids would sell it at a garage sale for $2.00 anyway!

What, getting my TiCub should I die in a Krispy Kreme shop not enough for ya?!???? :drool:

BTW - that chocolate is good - especially the one with Grand Marnier!

You are wearing the Ti Cub while eating that chocolate aren't ya?  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on May 27, 2006, 12:18:31 AM
You are wearing the Ti Cub while eating that chocolate aren't ya?  :rotflmao:

Mmmmmmm Ti Cub.....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on May 29, 2006, 11:58:40 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 30, 2006, 08:22:41 AM
Eric - just put me in your will for the DamCham- your kids would sell it at a garage sale for $2.00 anyway!

What, getting my TiCub should I die in a Krispy Kreme shop not enough for ya?!???? :drool:

BTW - that chocolate is good - especially the one with Grand Marnier!

You are wearing the Ti Cub while eating that chocolate aren't ya?  :rotflmao:

Yes, but someone else gets it if I die eating chocolate.  You're listed for KK only! :rotflmao:

How did I miss out on the Dam-Cham, anyway?

I thought all sweets put me in some Ti!  Oh well!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on May 30, 2006, 06:25:46 PM
I hereby award this thread with the top prize for stratospheric whacko off-topic commentary!

Back on subject: Charlie, when do you think the next phase of payment will be collected?  I'm hoping it won't be TOO soon.   :homework:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on May 30, 2006, 07:55:22 PM
I hereby award this thread with the top prize for stratospheric whacko off-topic commentary!

Back on subject: Charlie, when do you think the next phase of payment will be collected?  I'm hoping it won't be TOO soon.   :homework:


Sorry Troy, I guess you missed it! :'(
I`ll enjoy having your Dam Cham I already paid for! :woot:
It`s signed sealed and soon to be delivered! :evil5:
You should stay better tuned in next time! :icon_shaking2:
See Ya!  :laughing4:

Thanks,
Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on May 30, 2006, 08:38:56 PM
Damn!  :BangHead:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on May 30, 2006, 10:27:26 PM
YEah Troy, you been too busy greeting new members and running off on yore two-day trips.  Tried contacting you but - too late.  Ken has your slot now, you been cut-off...:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on May 30, 2006, 11:33:37 PM
 :hmh:  :sad1:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on May 31, 2006, 12:03:17 AM
good thing it was not Ti or Troy would have gone postal...  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on May 31, 2006, 07:23:19 PM
YEah Troy, you been too busy greeting new members and running off on yore two-day trips.  Tried contacting you but - too late.  Ken has your slot now, you been cut-off...:evil6:
:hmh:  :sad1:

:rotflmao:

congrads Kenster!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on June 01, 2006, 02:59:53 AM
 :sad1:  Somebody wake me up and tell me this is all just a horrible nightmare.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on June 01, 2006, 12:07:37 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on June 01, 2006, 03:35:47 PM
Well, actually, Ray, I'm in.  They're just pimpin' me a bit.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on June 01, 2006, 07:33:28 PM
Oh I thought Mr. B. said you were cut off!  Are you saying he ain't telling the truth?????  OH NO!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on June 02, 2006, 12:32:24 PM
besides AWTYD, you don't want #4, its bad mojo... ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on June 02, 2006, 04:17:47 PM
:sad1:  Somebody wake me up and tell me this is all just a horrible nightmare.
Ya dad,
BS fest! information desert!
Mike  :rolleye:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on June 07, 2006, 06:45:02 PM
Anyone notice that on CPF 2 more custom lights are being offered in Damascus.  I wonder where they got that idea..... :icon_scratch: 

Wasn't the LC-Ti the first custom light to come out in Ti? 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on June 07, 2006, 09:09:36 PM
I think it is an evolution that different materials will be used - always depends on availability.  Not sure if the LC was the first Ti light - anyone know?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on June 07, 2006, 11:18:21 PM
I think it is an evolution that different materials will be used - always depends on availability.  Not sure if the LC was the first Ti light - anyone know?

Sure....brass, copper, steel, ti, .....but Damascus?  Never heard of Damascus till Charlie brought it up.  I also never heard of Mokume Gane until it was brought up in the FFIII discussions.  Hmmmm....Mokume Gane Cham.......
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on June 08, 2006, 01:13:28 AM
  Hmmmm....Mokume Gane Cham.......
I'm in for one Mokume Gane Cham.    Paypal ready...

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on June 08, 2006, 03:37:57 AM
Oh please guys - anyway I just got word that the Dam bars should (ALL!) be ready in about a week.  Then it's off to TnC and awaaaaaay we go...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on June 08, 2006, 03:41:10 AM
Yehaaaaaw!! :wav:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on June 08, 2006, 09:05:04 AM
Oh please guys - anyway I just got word that the Dam bars should (ALL!) be ready in about a week.  Then it's off to TnC and awaaaaaay we go...:naughty:


awwwwhhh, Charlie. I was hoping to have a 24 pack of chammies in different materials... :D
please...... :-[

oh oh !!!can we have a pic of the Dam bars when it gets to you????
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Orb on June 08, 2006, 11:01:47 AM
Anyone notice that on CPF 2 more custom lights are being offered in Damascus.  I wonder where they got that idea..... :icon_scratch: 

Wasn't the LC-Ti the first custom light to come out in Ti? 

Just to make you aware I'm no copy cat have a look here:http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1203315&highlight=demasteel#post1203315
I got the idea back October 2005 from Peter Atwoods use of the material.

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on June 08, 2006, 11:06:19 AM
Anyone notice that on CPF 2 more custom lights are being offered in Damascus.  I wonder where they got that idea..... :icon_scratch: 

Wasn't the LC-Ti the first custom light to come out in Ti? 

Just to make you aware I'm no copy cat have a look here:http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1203315&highlight=demasteel#post1203315
I got the idea back October 2005 from Peter Atwoods use of the material.



no way you are a copycat, orb. your flashies look way different from charlie's.  ;)  and they are luvely...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on June 08, 2006, 11:42:06 AM
Oh please guys - anyway I just got word that the Dam bars should (ALL!) be ready in about a week.  Then it's off to TnC and awaaaaaay we go...:naughty:

:) excellent...where's the Mr. Burns smiley?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on June 08, 2006, 01:40:25 PM
I think it is an evolution that different materials will be used - always depends on availability.  Not sure if the LC was the first Ti light - anyone know?

No, I don't think it was the first Ti light.  I want to say that the Orb Ti may have preceded it.  The Ti Cub was certainly the first Mr. Bulk Ti light.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Orb on June 08, 2006, 02:55:30 PM
Just looked up some history:  2 Jun. 2004 Was when Frenchy purchased the 1st OrbTi.
Sorry for staying OT.
Those Dam Cams look  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on June 08, 2006, 03:22:45 PM
WOW!!!  Gotta go find me tha "buy it now"  link for that DAM RAW!

Anyone notice that on CPF 2 more custom lights are being offered in Damascus.  I wonder where they got that idea..... :icon_scratch: 

Wasn't the LC-Ti the first custom light to come out in Ti? 

Just to make you aware I'm no copy cat have a look here:http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1203315&highlight=demasteel#post1203315
I got the idea back October 2005 from Peter Atwoods use of the material.


Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on June 09, 2006, 05:12:31 AM
Just looked up some history:  2 Jun. 2004 Was when Frenchy purchased the 1st OrbTi.
Sorry for staying OT.
Those Dam Cams look  8)

So, if A = B and B = C, then A must = C.  Frenchy bought the first Orb Ti.  I bought Frenchy's Orb Ti.  Therefore, I must own the first Orb Ti ever produced.  Cool.   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on June 09, 2006, 09:59:19 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on June 10, 2006, 01:59:58 AM
Actually I believe it goes like this: there are no intergers greater than two which solve the equation x^n +y^n =Z^n, but what the heck we are only talking one light here.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on June 15, 2006, 05:17:11 AM
All thirteen Dam bars are now ON THEIR WAY to the machinist's - RAWTT NAW THIS VER' MINNIT!!! :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on June 15, 2006, 08:28:21 AM
 :wav:

any pics of the bars???
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on June 15, 2006, 11:59:09 AM
 :occasion14: :occasion16: :occasion18:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on June 15, 2006, 01:00:08 PM
All thirteen Dam bars are now ON THEIR WAY to the machinist's - RAWTT NAW THIS VER' MINNIT!!! :evil6:

 :blob3:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on June 15, 2006, 01:07:12 PM
 :blob5:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: marcspar on June 16, 2006, 01:10:25 PM
Paypal is ready!

What's next, Charlie?

Have a great weekend, all.

Marc
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on June 18, 2006, 07:30:04 AM
Actually I believe it goes like this: there are no intergers greater than two which solve the equation x^n +y^n =Z^n, but what the heck we are only talking one light here.

But can ya prove it?  ;)  OK someone HAS proven it - finally!  Only took what 300 years to do so?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on June 18, 2006, 07:31:57 AM
Can't wait for the DAMCHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would love to see any photos of the bars, process, etc.

Now gotta go find some money!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on June 18, 2006, 08:39:45 AM
The bars are winging their way (over land only) directly to the CNC shop.  I will ask Chris for a pic of them so's we can post up over here. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on June 19, 2006, 04:14:02 AM
Wow,
If those bars don't do his machinery in, it looks as if this could go pretty quickly speaking from a vary guestomatic point of view.
The guts should be ready to go aaa Charlie? And the team should be able to whip 21 of em out pretty quick. :naughty:
Thanks for the info.
Mike

oops. 23 maybe a couple more I'm #21  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on June 19, 2006, 06:33:38 AM
21  ???

There were 23 on the list..... ;)


Wow,
If those bars don't do his machinery in, it looks as if this could go pretty quickly speaking from a vary guestomatic point of view.
The guts should be ready to go aaa Charlie? And the team should be able to whip 21 of em out pretty quick. :naughty:
Thanks for the info.
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on June 19, 2006, 08:54:58 AM
Here is to hoping that the machines last long enough to turn #07 out!  ;)

and here is hoping I can scratch the funds together!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on June 19, 2006, 10:10:14 AM
And the team should be able to whip 21 of em out pretty quick.

My understanding is that there will be no HAT on this one.  Just Charlie.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on June 21, 2006, 01:08:25 AM
Well, we'll probably have a mini-HAT, just for good times' sake.  Besides, it'd be no different - everybody sitting around shooting the bull with Charlie (and sometimes Sonic) sweatin' bullets doig the soldering which is always near the final step anyway...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on June 21, 2006, 01:26:32 AM
Now Charlie.........don't go telling half-truths again  >:(
I think everyone knows by now you spend most of your time walking around :director: cracking your  :whip2:


 ;)
Bill


Well, we'll probably have a mini-HAT, just for good times' sake.  Besides, it'd be no different - everybody sitting around shooting the bull with Charlie (and sometimes Sonic) sweatin' bullets doig the soldering which is always near the final step anyway...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on June 22, 2006, 07:28:05 AM
21  ???

There were 23 on the list..... ;)


Wow,
If those bars don't do his machinery in, it looks as if this could go pretty quickly speaking from a vary guestomatic point of view.
The guts should be ready to go aaa Charlie? And the team should be able to whip 21 of em out pretty quick. :naughty:
Thanks for the info.
Mike



And a few extras please !!!!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on June 22, 2006, 04:21:45 PM
 :popcorn: :popcorn:  :popcorn:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on June 23, 2006, 12:35:28 AM
I will contact the back-up listees in chronological order if there are indeed any extra units, not to worry...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on June 26, 2006, 06:30:31 PM
 :) :thumbup: :D :thumbup:
Title: The Dam-Cham...The Raw Bar Pics
Post by: MR Bulk on July 02, 2006, 04:42:29 PM
Well, just as soon as my index site comes back up, have notified DG of the glitch already.

Anyway there will be a couple of pics of the raw Damascus bars coming, if for no other reason than to just illustrate how bland and nearly pattern-invisible raw Damascus can be.

Stay tuned...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on July 02, 2006, 04:50:48 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on July 02, 2006, 06:49:47 PM
I think it's cooked or something.
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on July 02, 2006, 08:36:13 PM


Naw,we dont want no stinkin cooked lights here.


Raw for me please :D



Allthough i think you are right,they are heated to get the pattern to show.

Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on July 03, 2006, 04:16:35 AM
Allthough i think you are right,they are heated to get the pattern to show.


As Paris Hilton would say, "That's hot!"  :tard: :tongue3: :toothy9:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on July 06, 2006, 08:19:11 PM
Okay, finally some pics!  As you will see, the metal is virtually indistinguishable from that of regular unpatterned as the Damascus grain is very subtle until the heat treating.

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/PICT0019.JPG)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/PICT0020.JPG)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/PICT0021.JPG)


More later this week...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on July 06, 2006, 08:42:06 PM
Wow, talk about your "ugly duckling" syndrome.  Bet none of these will ever see a concrete floor again (well, maybe PSM's).  :rolleye:

Thanks for the pics, SC and Chris!!  Something to get fired up about!!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on July 06, 2006, 09:05:02 PM
Still cool, though.  Thanks for the pics, Charlie!  :thumbup:

Bummer that PSM's will be defective.   :'(   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on July 06, 2006, 11:27:55 PM
Actually once they are cut the patterns do get a bit more pronounced, so anyone who wants theirs built like this - for acid etching or some other technique to be done on their own - please sound off here or to me privately:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamTubes.jpg)


But it shore looks like we's movin' now...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on July 06, 2006, 11:29:45 PM
sweet!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on July 06, 2006, 11:34:56 PM
Oh yeah, the serial numbering "system" just in case we forget how and where it will be presented:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamChamLogo600x600.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on July 07, 2006, 12:05:23 AM
oh! :blob10: boy!!  oh! :blob7: boy!!  oh! :blob5: boy!!  oh! :blob3: boy!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on July 07, 2006, 12:41:54 AM
How about LED bin?  Did we or Charlie ever decide what BIN the LED's will be?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on July 07, 2006, 01:46:11 AM
How about LED bin?  Did we or Charlie ever decide what BIN the LED's will be?

hmmmm.... hey mr.b did you ever get them G-bin Vf?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on July 07, 2006, 04:28:45 AM
Charlie, all I can say is "cool."  Cool, cool, cool.  That is just so cool.   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on July 07, 2006, 09:58:39 AM
Yes I got the G's, but they are Q-fluxed Lux I's.  Although I truly believe they would be fine with the Cham circuitry (and likely as bright or brighter than the TXOH's since I feel Lux III's are simpy a marketing move for renaming overdriven Lux I's) I have ample TXOH's for the Dam Chams.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on July 07, 2006, 05:06:06 PM
No, from the "factory", U-bin Dam Cams? :sad10:

Oh well....the light is still DANG COOL!!    :icon_thumleft: :notworthy:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on July 07, 2006, 05:23:55 PM

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamTubes.jpg)




:D  Nice!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on July 07, 2006, 09:46:59 PM
Hey is that mine I see front and center ;) Thanks. Actually do you have any history on acid etching this type of Damascus after it has been machined to the extend that these have been?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on July 07, 2006, 10:08:13 PM
Yes I got the G's, but they are Q-fluxed Lux I's. 
for the bulk pocket rocket! lol i want a Q**G, just to say i own one.. how much? :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on July 07, 2006, 10:25:46 PM
Bet none of these will ever see a concrete floor again (well, maybe PSM's).  :rolleye:

Eric & Troy, it is inevitable, when the time comes, I hope I'm satnding on carpet....  8)

BTW, Looking good Charlie!  Any idea when the second payment will be due and how much? :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: mst3k on July 08, 2006, 09:04:19 PM
Im kickin my own ass big time that I didn't jump on this one right away.  Im so jealous.  Looks like you guys are gonna own some beautiful rare lights there!!


Congrats guys!!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on July 09, 2006, 01:53:45 PM
Looking good!
Thanks for keeping us posted.
Mike 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on July 10, 2006, 01:27:53 AM
Hey is that mine I see front and center ;) Thanks. Actually do you have any history on acid etching this type of Damascus after it has been machined to the extend that these have been?


tonyd, according to steel maker acid etching would be fine regardless of machining processes undergone.  But just so there is no misunderstanding, these particular DamChams will be heat treated instead to bring out the greater variety of colors rather than simply Black and White (or is that Gray and White?) from acid etching.

BTW everyone, I am leaving this week on a short family trip and will return the last week of the month.  By then everything should be set in place so we can finish off this damned Dam-Cham project, including an informal HAT event for the miniscule run...:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on July 10, 2006, 03:11:15 AM
Thanks. They will look better heat treated, unless I play with some funky metals for pigment Ni, Cd, Cr, etc.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on July 10, 2006, 03:52:08 AM
Thanks. They will look better heat treated, unless I play with some funky metals for pigment Ni, Cd, Cr, etc.

Play that funky metal right, boy.  Play that funky metal RIIIIGHT.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on July 10, 2006, 06:01:25 AM
Lay down some photons and blast somebodys retinas till they die… >:(
(hey,hey) till they die…yeah, yeah





 :-[




Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Jurphaas on July 10, 2006, 12:46:28 PM
Hey, Braddahbill and Troy - funky music for some funcky light! Knowing the lyrics of this classic so well, I guess you guys are not in your twenties anymore....... RIGHT!
Jurphaas
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on July 10, 2006, 10:51:19 PM
All right.
August.
Must make note: Set aside undetermined amount for Dam Cam. :icon_rabbit:
Thanks for info.
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on July 11, 2006, 05:40:26 AM
It'll be $291 or so...depends on the final costs since I carelessly ignored tallying things up until now and TnC has yet to bill me (yikes!)...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on July 11, 2006, 10:32:33 AM
Well either way past their twentys, or some mystic followers of scottish rock bands, or both. Buy the way Mr. Bulk if we send you are own U-bins could you install rather than the T-bins? :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on July 12, 2006, 05:47:15 PM
You got some UXXH bins tony?

Looking good Charlie!  Thanks for the update!  Have fun on vacation btw!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on July 12, 2006, 08:54:13 PM
Yeah, I have 3 don't know if I will use them here in a 3-Lux light I have. Have a great vacation Charlie. You should be well rested in time to assemble Dammy's
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on July 12, 2006, 09:04:31 PM
Yeah, I have 3 don't know if I will use them here in a 3-Lux light I have. Have a great vacation Charlie. You should be well rested in time to assemble Dammy's

you have U**H LuxIII? omg!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on July 12, 2006, 09:24:24 PM
Yeah, I have 3 don't know if I will use them here in a 3-Lux light I have. Have a great vacation Charlie. You should be well rested in time to assemble Dammy's

Where or better yet from whom did you aquire H bin Lux IIIs?  Inquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on July 13, 2006, 01:01:12 AM
Yeah, I have 3 don't know if I will use them here in a 3-Lux light I have. Have a great vacation Charlie. You should be well rested in time to assemble Dammy's

Where or better yet from whom did you aquire H bin Lux IIIs?  Inquiring minds want to know!

U**H  :drool:  8) But like Geo said "Inquiring minds want to know"  :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on July 13, 2006, 10:49:56 AM
Whoa I said I had U bins Which are actually UWOJ not H's
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fore on July 13, 2006, 11:03:45 AM
Damn, I was drooling like everyone else.  I think you need at least an H bin vF for the light to work correctly.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on July 13, 2006, 11:37:32 AM
Whoa I said I had U bins Which are actually UWOJ not H's

Nice, Tony, but you'll have to save those for your Tr-Lux!  :thumbup: :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on July 16, 2006, 06:22:33 PM
Anybody drop out yet? As far as I know I am still next in line...Here is hoping.
Yaesumofo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on July 16, 2006, 06:44:46 PM
Oh yeah, the serial numbering "system" just in case we forget how and where it will be presented:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamChamLogo600x600.jpg)

I know Charlie is on R&R, but I wanted to post while the question was in my head.  If Charlie has 00 and PSM has 23, is there a # 24?  or will there be no 24 of 24?  Just curious or confused or both...

Geo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on July 16, 2006, 07:02:38 PM
I hope it'll be 24/24, its probably gonna be 23/24, but either way its no biggie!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on July 16, 2006, 08:48:04 PM
WOW! Serial numbers? Hmmm....... Do we get to vote an that?  :dontknow: Just kidding guys. :-[  :evil6: I`ll take whatever # I get.  :woot:

Geo, I like the pic of the logo. Thanks for putting it up to look at again! :thumbup: These are going to be cool looking lights alright! 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on July 27, 2006, 09:08:52 AM
If there is an overage (and I do mean "IF"), then the numbering will continue higher, as in "25/24", then "26/24", etc.  Just so that whoever was counting on getting "24/24" still gets it - and those with the higher digits get to expound on how they scored these rarest of rare serial numbers...:evil6:

Howzzat?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on July 27, 2006, 09:26:54 AM
If there is an overage (and I do mean "IF"), then the numbering will continue higher, as in "25/24", then "26/24", etc.  Just so that whoever was counting on getting "24/24" still gets it - and those with the higher digits get to expound on how they scored these rarest of rare serial numbers...:evil6:

Howzzat?

 :icon_salut: - whatever makes it easier !  I am happy to be on the list!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on July 27, 2006, 09:29:24 AM
Charlie, but don`t we get to vote on it.    :P  :naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on July 27, 2006, 11:56:49 AM
kenster, if there were a vote, it would probably be made by those lucky 24 on the list.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on July 27, 2006, 06:37:21 PM
kenster, if there were a vote, it would probably be made by those lucky 24 on the list.  ;)

 :o Good point so I agree with Geo! :-[ Whatever makes it easier!  :icon_salut:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on July 27, 2006, 07:45:11 PM
Kenster *is* on the list - #6! 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on July 27, 2006, 09:46:58 PM
Kenster *is* on the list - #6! 

He knows I`m on the honored list. Dad is just TRYING to give me a hard time!   :tongue1:  :laughing8:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on July 28, 2006, 02:48:24 AM
Latest update - TnC should have the Control Modules done by the end of next week.  Heads, battery tubes, bezels, etc. are all done so then he still has to serialize the tube bottoms, then they get screwed together to accurately mill the tritium slots to align with the switch, then they go for heat treating, then - then - then...hey, I might even have time for another vacation...:thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on July 28, 2006, 05:14:31 AM
alright :thumbup: way to go, mr.B :hello2: :blob5:
so I guess its time to think of the next xxx CHAM 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tdurand on July 28, 2006, 05:57:03 AM
If anyone is unhappy with their number designation I'd be more than happy to scoop it up.




Just dreamin'
T
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on July 28, 2006, 07:28:15 AM
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on July 28, 2006, 09:21:58 PM
Cool, Charlie.  Lookin' forward to it!  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on July 31, 2006, 04:03:58 PM
 :blob5: :drool: :popcorn:
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on July 31, 2006, 05:22:30 PM
These are gonna be so cool!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on August 04, 2006, 06:13:37 PM
Here is me still hoping that somebody will drop out or that there is one or 2 more being made than planned.
Yaesumofo (It is like being the first runner up at a miss USA pageant.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on August 06, 2006, 03:23:38 PM
4 more would be better  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 06, 2006, 05:07:22 PM
you probably have more luck if you made your own damascus bars and send it to Charlie...  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on August 07, 2006, 01:43:11 PM
 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: indenial on August 07, 2006, 11:44:21 PM
Actually, FIVE more would be even better..... :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 08, 2006, 01:01:55 PM
Actually only the first ~8 lights would be adequate for me....  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 09, 2006, 04:57:47 AM
UPDATE:  Got off the phone with Chris today and there is a slight delay - he BROKE the tool that is being used to create the concave ridge around the inside rim of the switchbutton hole - have to get another one, or actually he has to MAKE another one, as there is no such tool to get that inner groove that holds the rubber button cap in place and TnC pretty much had to invent it for our CNC production.

Then they still have to engrave (that's the important part actually, as each engraving will be a separate file due to the serializing).

And then there's the heat treating.

But - he then said that this week they would still be done - and there is now looking like the possibility of maybe one or two extra DamChams, although we won't know for sure until all are cut, as things tend to BREAK when machining steel possessing the varying surface hardnesses such as Damascus - but rest assured if there are spares we will be going down the backup list in reverse order - oops, make that the proper order...yeah, frontwards...:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 09, 2006, 05:00:34 AM
Wow, even after all that, he still expects to finish the bodies this week.  Cool!  What do you think would be the ETA for payment #2?  Just trying to get my financial ducks in a row.   :laughing7:  And potentially some great news for anyone on the waiting list!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 09, 2006, 05:38:42 PM
Wow, even after all that, he still expects to finish the bodies this week.  Cool!  What do you think would be the ETA for payment #2?  Just trying to get my financial ducks in a row.   :laughing7:  And potentially some great news for anyone on the waiting list!

Good question - same here!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 10, 2006, 08:53:37 AM
Well, although payment #2 would certainly be useful to me at this time, it would be more righteous to ask for it when all DamCham components are actually in my hands (actually just the bodies) and I am then in full control of how quickly they could be completed - which is likely just a day one weekend via the traditional HAT event.

So please hang loose - although if the money's burning a hole in your pocket and you want to get rid of it before you blow it on something far less worthy, well then - please contact me...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 10, 2006, 09:16:41 AM
anytime you want me to pay part#2, u just say so, Mr.B!!!! :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 10, 2006, 12:35:51 PM
OK, thanks for the update, Mr. B.  I'll instruct Geo to send our "Payment #2's" in upon your directive.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 10, 2006, 02:12:22 PM
Yup no problem Charlie -

and of course I've got AWTYD's second payment, and you know where to ship his light to - right?  (always wanted to have two lights that AWTYD doesn't have and strongly desires!  :rotflmao:)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 10, 2006, 02:40:23 PM
Yup no problem Charlie -

and of course I've got AWTYD's second payment, and you know where to ship his light to - right?  (always wanted to have two lights that AWTYD doesn't have and strongly desires!  :rotflmao:)

 :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 10, 2006, 02:48:23 PM
errr, ummm, in that case, I volunteer to pay AWTYD's and geo's part#2...   ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 10, 2006, 02:56:23 PM
errr, ummm, in that case, I volunteer to pay AWTYD's and geo's part#2...   ;)

That's very astute of you, flashgreenie!  Good one!   :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 10, 2006, 03:20:41 PM
why thank you , dad... ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 10, 2006, 03:33:38 PM
why thank you , dad... ;)

You're quite welcome flashgreenie.  See how civil and polite we are around here?  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 10, 2006, 03:42:35 PM
why thank you , dad... ;)

You're quite welcome flashgreenie.  See how civil and polite we are around here?  :D

just wait till someone tries to grab one of his Ti babies - then you'll see  THEN YOU'LL SEE!!!!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 10, 2006, 03:45:33 PM
 :rotflmao: err, would this be now considered out of thread topic??? 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 10, 2006, 03:57:48 PM
Well.......damascus is sorta like Ti.  They're both kind of unusual and highly sought-after.  So, OK, it's a stretch, but I've seen worse off-topic discussions. 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on August 10, 2006, 04:26:26 PM
Well.......damascus is sorta like Ti.  They're both kind of unusual and highly sought-after.  So, OK, it's a stretch, but I've seen worse off-topic discussions. 

LOL, I've seen worse on-topic discussions!  :yawn:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on August 18, 2006, 02:29:58 AM
What is the "status" of this project, by the way?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 18, 2006, 03:49:34 AM
What is the "status" of this project, by the way?

My understanding is that the bodies are very close to being finished and will soon be shipped back to Charlie for assembly, final payment and distribution.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 18, 2006, 08:35:30 AM
:popcorn:

I hope Mr. B. is not working too much !
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on August 18, 2006, 07:42:49 PM
Naw,


He`s probably at the Doughnut Shop.
:D



 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 18, 2006, 09:24:10 PM
Naw,


He`s probably at the Doughnut Shop.
:D



 :rotflmao:


True, true.  He IS a cop!  :laughing7:  But Charlie's a pretty svelte dude.  If I know Charlie like I think I do, he's more likely hanging out at the sushi bar.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on August 18, 2006, 09:30:52 PM
Now why would you go and destroy a perfectly good joke,
 :thinking:

Let`s get him!
 :boxing:



Allthough he is kindof good lookin,so youre probably right.
 :love7:


Benny


Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on August 18, 2006, 09:50:11 PM
Naw,


He`s probably at the Doughnut Shop.
:D



 :rotflmao:


you aint seen the commercial? those guys said doughnuts don't work, Krystal burgers do...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 18, 2006, 11:10:16 PM
System Status Update, 8-18-06:

TnC is on the final step - the SERIAL NUMBERING - which is the all-important thing, right?

BTW, which was the thread showing everybody's serial number?  I made up a Word file initially but can't seem to find it now... :icon_scratch:  :sign5: :dontknow: :happy2: :crybaby2: :confused2: :icon_pale:

Oh well, back to work...new schedule, 5-9, which means I now work five a days a week, instead of our 9-year old 3-12 which was three days weekly, 12 hours per day.  Damn - no wonder I no have No time NO more...:confused5:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on August 18, 2006, 11:23:19 PM
Hey Boss........


I made a copy:

UPDATE 4-5-06:

FINAL list:

"00" MR Bulk

"01" EricMack

"02" Fishman

"03" PhotonFanatic

"04" arewethereyetdad

"05" tonyd

"06" Kenster

"07" Geologist

"08" gregw

"09" fore

"10" seattlite

"11" aib

"12" marcspar

"13" flashgreenie

"14" RPM

"15" Steve Stephens

"16" BraddahBill

"17" FlashMike

"18" flashlight

"19" Regentag

"20" Grumpy

"21" Likebright

"22" MorpheusT1

"23" PoliceScannerMan




 Bill
~//~
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 18, 2006, 11:32:28 PM
YOU DA MAN, mah braddah!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on August 18, 2006, 11:41:44 PM
LOL thanks Troy..........

I'll have you know I just wasted another 5 minutes of my life staring at you avatar.  ;)  Eva.....she is still the best --IMHO--


YOU DA MAN, mah braddah!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 18, 2006, 11:47:04 PM
LOL thanks Troy..........

I'll have you know I just wasted another 5 minutes of my life staring at you avatar.  ;)  Eva.....she is still the best --IMHO--


YOU DA MAN, mah braddah!  :thumbup:

Wasted?  WASTED?  THAT, my braddah, was the best five minutes you ever spent!  You need a smoke!   :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 18, 2006, 11:55:13 PM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on August 19, 2006, 02:56:27 AM
if this is goin be like all the other rare lights out now i would like to sell my spot on the list for $1500 dollars.... what a deal!

i know i'm not on the list.. it's a joke.. i say this cause i know someone was goin say, Your not even on the list.. lol
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 19, 2006, 06:43:27 AM
:woohoo:

Thanks for the update Mr. B.!  And welcome back!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 21, 2006, 08:58:21 PM
Done and on their way today...


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/PICT0018.JPG)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/PICT0019.JPG)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/PICT0020.JPG)


Note the tritium slots, all lined up with their buttonholes.  Now I just need to remember to keep each set together during the rest of the process...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on August 21, 2006, 09:02:50 PM
 :blob3:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 21, 2006, 09:13:07 PM
Hay Eric, that's what I do every time I see your avatar! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on August 21, 2006, 09:16:12 PM
Sweet:D



Now all that is needed is some heat treatment to get the colors right and some Bulky TLC.

:D



Any word on Final Price?
Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on August 21, 2006, 11:13:57 PM
Oh, Man!
Those look good!
Mike 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: aib on August 22, 2006, 12:56:54 AM
 :blinking:    Awfully nice, Mr. B :thumbup: :thumbup:

                   aib...................
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 22, 2006, 01:15:56 AM
My baby is almost home!

So Mr. B, did the final (my) light say 23/24 or 24/24?

It doesnt matter either way, just wondering!  These are looking suweet!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 22, 2006, 01:16:39 AM
Classic F-F double post here, do we know what emitters are going in these puppies?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 22, 2006, 01:58:12 AM
Charlie, those are lookin' great!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on August 22, 2006, 03:09:00 AM
So Mr. B, did the final (my) light say 23/24 or 24/24?

hmmm.....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 22, 2006, 09:07:47 AM
Woohoo!  Looking way cool there!  Way Cool!

THanks for the updated pictures!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 25, 2006, 02:36:08 AM
They're finally HERE, and to answer PoliceScannerMan, the numbers will be whatever they are on the list, except all ending in "24".  So if one has selected 23 as their serial number, they would have "23 24" in their logo.

Anyway here are a couple of pics:

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/OpenBox.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/ButtLogo.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Striations.jpg)

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on August 25, 2006, 03:14:17 AM
Hi Charlie,

Do you still have to heat-treat the bodies to get the "wood grain" effect?  Is that done locally?

Thanks,
Richard
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 25, 2006, 05:49:35 AM
Hi Rich,

Yes, it will be done locally.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 25, 2006, 06:36:47 AM
Right on!  Looking sweet Mr. B!
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Post by: Codeman on August 25, 2006, 12:33:56 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on August 25, 2006, 03:30:39 PM
Hi Rich,

Yes, it will be done locally.

NICE!!  How long does it take the hibachi or imu to reach heat-treat temperature?  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 26, 2006, 06:44:44 AM
Hi Rich,

Yes, it will be done locally.

NICE!!  How long does it take the hibachi or imu to reach heat-treat temperature?  :rotflmao:

Probably depends on the charcoal used.  Not sure which would look nicer - Medium-Rare or Well-Done....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 26, 2006, 05:56:50 PM
These are going to be very special, Mr. B, very special.  Thanks for all the hard work on our behalf.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 27, 2006, 02:59:37 AM
UPDATE 8-26-06:

Our Damascus Chameleons are back from their sauna (heat treating), and the colors are - different...

I'll let y'all be the judges, but to be honest the new colors are in fact what I was hoping for the first time around when the protos were heat treated (sorry for the poor quality, the pics were taken with what I had on me - namely my cellphone cam):

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamChamBluesmall.jpg)


Here is what the color of these is like next to the original proto, one of which I brought with me:

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamChamBlueBrownsmall.jpg)


I have been told by Mr. Del Ely that dependent upon several factors, most importantly the temperature and length of time the Damascus is subjected to heat, there may be different resulting coloring.

I feel a HAT Event coming on next weekend, barring schedule conflicts with any of the MadHatters.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on August 27, 2006, 03:06:57 AM
Both look great. Depends if you like woody or knot (sorry bad pun). The blue  really is more steel like.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 27, 2006, 03:07:14 AM
I HAVE TO TYPE IN CAPS! THOSE ARE FREAKIN AWESOME MR. B!!!!!

:drool:
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Post by: Codeman on August 27, 2006, 03:16:08 AM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 27, 2006, 04:35:14 AM
I actually like the blue.  Its refreshing from the standard "Drab" colors that are usually seen on most lights.  I can only imagine how sweet this would look in Matt's Blue frog or blue ray Holester!

Anyway I can have Blue trit in mine Charlie?

Blue tritium would look alot cooler in this setup than green.   :icon_thumright:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 27, 2006, 06:03:48 AM
Anyway I can have Blue trit in mine Charlie?
Blue tritium would look alot cooler in this setup than green.   :icon_thumright:
Now there is something to think about - blue trit and a blue light!

Regardless - it looks awesome Charlie!  So are the LEDs gonna be an XXOH or a UXOH? ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on August 27, 2006, 04:54:25 PM
Charlie, those look FANTASTIC!!!!!!!  :thumbup:  Love the blue Trit suggestion too, PSM.  Dang, these are turning out so cool and differen't than anything before!

 :icon_salut: :headbang: :love4: :drool: :love4: :headbang: :icon_salut:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: seattlite on August 27, 2006, 07:03:38 PM
Now I think I'm glad I missed out on the Dam-Chams.  Blue's my favorite color, but the "Woody" really looks fantastic!  I would've never been happy until I had one of each. :'(

Course, if you wanna sell ol' Woody... ;)

By far, you're best looking lights so far, Charlie!  Congrats! :thumbup:

My first reaction when I saw the finished product was why wasn't it the woody color, and was thus disappointed, since I psyched myself in getting a "wood grain" looking steel light.  HOWEVER, the blued steel is really growing on me!  The more I look at it the more I like it, even more so than the "wood grain" looking light.  Can't wait to receive the finished product!!

Any maintenance tips on preventing rust?  Obviously one can oil, but on a light?  I would like to EDC, but due to rust concerns this might be a shelf queen.  Maybe I'll keep it in the "safe" next to my oil cloth, desiccant, and other "steel" items.

Richard
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 27, 2006, 07:37:39 PM
Anyone else squinting trying to see "their" number?
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Post by: Likebright on August 27, 2006, 09:45:36 PM
From what I can seeeeeee ee e  e  e     e!
Yup! There is my SR #21 :D
Charlie, if you get a chance grab a couple of shots of them again with the regular camera.
Yes, I too like the darker blue black, look.
Looking good.
Mike :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on August 27, 2006, 10:33:58 PM
Anyone else squinting trying to see "their" number?
You bet Geo and I only saw 16 and 17.  Where is my 15?   Boy, these are going to look grand all polished up!!!
Now don't you all git riled up at me for suggesting that cause I'm not going to do any such thing.  They look great!  I kinda liked (expected) the brown but the blue is great too.

This is the VERY FIRST damascus flashlight made isn't it?

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on August 27, 2006, 10:35:36 PM
I like it a lot :D

This puppy needs some blue trit to match the body.




Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on August 27, 2006, 10:36:51 PM
This is the VERY FIRST damascus flashlight made isn't it?

Steve

Believe so.  ORB is making some Dam RAW's right now from SS Dam, but I believe these will be delivered first.  DSpeck is making a few FF3's as well.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 27, 2006, 10:56:18 PM
Again, Mr. B has beat Maglite to the punch!  Probably gonna be at least a year or two before Mag has their own DAM MM,


wait a second - I've had a Dam MM for years!


hmmm............
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on August 28, 2006, 03:58:48 AM
Charlie-

The lights are looooking goood!  I've long been a fan of Del Ealy's steel...great stuff!  He's of course correct about the color.  Most of the time, heat treating will yield tones of brown with swirls of color...but overall, depending on how much heat and for how long, carbon steels can also turn to shades of blue, blue-greens, purple, and gold.  Color achieved through heat treat or other forms of direct heat can be quite attractive, but unfortunately that method of surface coloring does not usually hold up too well to much handling.  Nitre bluing will yield generally yield more brilliant and longer-lasting color...and affords better, natural protection against rust.  I still wouldn't recommend bluing for everyday use (etching is better-suited for EDC purposes)...but if you go easy on it and take care to give a quick wipedown to the surface after use, blued damascus is awesome).

One of my very closest friends is a truely wonderfully gifted knifemaker...Kelly Carlson.  Here are a couple of his knives where he incorporated Del Ealy damascus...

Using molten nitre salts at around 550 degrees F, Kelly was able to get some really bright blues on this one:
(http://img.clubphoto.com/xyzzy/4506124/11/480/null/fun.jpg)

And this one uses my all-time favorite Ealy steel called "Flowers and Worms"  Unfortunately Del stopped making this pattern (Kelly bought up all of the remaining stock). When the knife was finished it was then sent out to one of the top scrimshaw artists around, Matt Sothart.  Isn't it just beautiful?  Kelly's been asked to make a total of 6 knives for the series...
(http://img.clubphoto.com/xyzzy/4506124/10/480/null/fun.jpg)

Cool stuff...eh?

Looking forward to seeing the finished Chammies. (BTW-I'm still using my Chammie as my EDC...it's the best!).  ;)

Dennis Greenbaum  8)


Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 28, 2006, 04:02:03 AM
We have the HAT Event tentatively set for this coming weekend (Sept.2/3) after which the lights will begin shipping.  Thus it is time to request that you transact your remaining balances, PayPal preferred, to avoid delivery delays.

If you see this and are on the DC list, please contact me otherwise I shall contact you privately.  I thank you for your considerable patience all these months; the Damascus Chameleon's time is nearly at hand.

*Note: I regret that requests for blue tritium cannot be fulfilled.  The green (which is brighter) tritium was purchased and delivered from overseas a while ago; however, those who will pursue doing this on their own should let me know immediately so that I can package their green vials separately, as once the vials are glued into their snugly fitting slots, replacing them with another would require destruction of the installed vial.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 28, 2006, 04:03:37 AM
*Note: I regret that requests for blue tritium cannot be fulfilled.  The green (which is brighter) tritium was purchased and delivered from overseas a while ago; however, those who will pursue doing this on their own should let me know immediately so that I can package their green vials separately, as once the vials are glued into their snugly fitting slots, replacing them with another would require destruction of the installed vial.

Fair enough, I'll take it with the green, no problem!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lips on August 28, 2006, 05:25:53 AM
I'll take a slot at the end of the backup list if allowed...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on August 28, 2006, 06:33:48 AM
As requested, final payment has been sent. :)

Color is not what I was expecting but this turned out to be a very unique light that I am sure I will enjoy! :thumbup:  Can`t wait to get a look at mine in person! 8)

Go get`em Charlie and the Hat Team! :hello2:

Thanks,
Ken
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 28, 2006, 06:34:58 AM
Lips, sure thing.  Only I think at most I may have one extra and there are already two or three on the list - of course they haven't posted on this thread in a while and may no longer be interested.  We'll see.

Kenster, thanks.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 28, 2006, 07:58:35 AM
oh boy, oh boy.....   :ppsent: :ppsent: :ppsent:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 28, 2006, 08:30:52 AM
:ppsent: !!!!!!!!


Thanks and I can't wait!

Green Trit will be fine!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 28, 2006, 12:36:27 PM
EDIT:  Charlie, please leave my Tritium vial out also!  Paypal Sent!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on August 28, 2006, 01:13:15 PM
I love the cold blue steel color!   :headbang:  8)

:ppsent:

Please leave my tritium vial uninstalled. Thanks Charlie!  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on August 28, 2006, 02:26:52 PM
 :ppsent:

Please leave my tritium vial uninstalled as well.. Thanks Charlie!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on August 28, 2006, 02:41:01 PM
Charlie,
:drool: :ppsent: :drool:
Mike

P.S. Green vial is fine for me.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 28, 2006, 03:46:30 PM
Charlie, Chameleon Commander, we need more Pics please!  I am just pacing back and forth in anticipation.... :drool:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on August 28, 2006, 04:47:17 PM
Lots more money sent for this fabulous light. 
Thanks Charlie,
Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lips on August 28, 2006, 05:22:00 PM
Anyone know how long in mm the Tritium Slot is...

I may have a few Blue tritium vials in two sizes left over...   (GregW size and litemanias size)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 28, 2006, 05:47:47 PM
Anyone know how long in mm the Tritium Slot is...

I may have a few Blue tritium vials in two sizes left over...   (GregW size and litemanias size)

I confirmed with GregW those are the right size.  Charlie I sent you a PM, no trit installed for me.  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Heres a link to the same epoxy used in the PD's, if you want that ultra clear look.
http://www.edmundoptics.com/onlinecatalog/DisplayProduct.cfm?productid=1597 (http://www.edmundoptics.com/onlinecatalog/DisplayProduct.cfm?productid=1597)
It cures with UV, so the Sun should work.  Thanks to Wave P. for the info!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on August 28, 2006, 06:05:36 PM
PP sent for Dam-Cham "22" MorpheusT1.



Thank you Mr.B
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on August 28, 2006, 08:52:33 PM
I also asked to have my vial left out. What is the vial size as I have several extras in a wild irridicent blue.  :ppsent:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 28, 2006, 10:49:22 PM
Thanks for the Paypals so far guys, and the requests for leaving the green tritium vial uninstalled will be honored...of course ya still gets the trit separate, whether ya want it or not...:naughty:

It will be interesting to see the results from those using the blue trit - to my experience they are difficult to see, especially when compared side by side with the green tritium - unless there is some new kind of blue tritium I haven't heard about..:thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 28, 2006, 10:50:37 PM
Oh yah PSM, will take a quality pic soon as I get home from work...
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 28, 2006, 11:15:34 PM
Oh yah PSM, will take a quality pic soon as I get home from work...

Charlie....  You the man!  :thumbup:

I agree, no doubt green is brighter.  But the Blues from GregW aint too far behind.  Blue is going to look sweet with this type of Damascus....

Now I am going to sit here with my popcorn and look for pics!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 28, 2006, 11:19:59 PM

I said the heck with it, snuck home fer lunch and snapped a couple of pics, wouldn't want PSM to run out of popcorn waiting:

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00691.JPG)
(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00690.JPG)
(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00686.JPG)

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Post by: BraddahBill on August 28, 2006, 11:41:06 PM
Eeeeeeeehaw!!!!!


dem sur' are nice looking.....love the blue.




Bill
~//~
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 29, 2006, 12:16:28 AM
Man - y'all just put me on the fence again about this whole Trit thing - oh well if green is that hideous, I'll beg someone to change it later since then I'd have to find the skills and the epoxy to make it happen!

Pics are great Charlie!  Can't wait!  Now wonder about # 7!  Since these all will be unique, it will be fun to have photos of them all once they reach their new homes!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 29, 2006, 12:19:41 AM
wow, that is one cool flashlight!!!! :D   I would think charlie would like pics of his babies before they fly the coop... ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: ernsanada on August 29, 2006, 12:56:51 AM

Wow!   Blue Hawaii!   :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on August 29, 2006, 01:38:07 AM
Holy POOP!  That looks sooooo sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
I wish I was on this list......   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Donald
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 29, 2006, 01:39:07 AM
Thnks for doing this during your Lunch Charlie!!  I had almost run out of popcorn! :laughing7:

That has got to be one of the most beautiful flashlights I have ever seen. :shocked:

:headbang: :hello2: :headbang: :hello2: :icon_cheers: :icon_cheers: :occasion14: :illtakeit: :woot: :drool: :toothy12:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 29, 2006, 02:23:27 AM
Holy Crap!  That is one un-freakin'-believable light!  Charlie!  Man, those pics look great!  Do all 24 of them look as good as that one?!?!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on August 29, 2006, 03:02:22 AM
:ppsent:

Now that's a unique light... what a cool color!!  This makes my damascus knives look dull!
Glad to be part of the Chammie Club  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on August 29, 2006, 03:40:07 AM
Charlie,
I hate to tell you this, but your telephone just does not do this flashlight justice.
That is a real "HUMDINGER" of a light!
Good pictures.
Mike 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on August 29, 2006, 06:54:25 AM
So as thr next guy in line I was wondrring if there WAS GOING TO BE ONE FOR ME?
ANY DROPOUTS? Any extras. I have my dough standing by.
Yaesumofo


I said the heck with it, snuck home fer lunch and snapped a couple of pics, wouldn't want PSM to run out of popcorn waiting:

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00691.JPG)
(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00690.JPG)
(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DSC00686.JPG)


Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 29, 2006, 08:12:33 AM
Hey guys,

Glad the pics came out to everyone's satisfaction.

James/Yaesumofo,

There are now three listees I have not gotten responses from yet; however, they all have their $200 non-refundable deposits invested and I think it unlikely they would drop out at this point.  At worst they would simply "sell" their spots in line to someone else - in fact quite easily, I would think.

Anyway I just notified the listees late last night so I must give them right up until the time we will ship these babies out, which'd be around the beginning of next week...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 29, 2006, 08:19:04 AM
BTW, that would make serial numbers 17, 19 and 20 possibly available eventually...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on August 29, 2006, 09:42:30 AM
BTW, that would make serial numbers 17, 19 and 20 possibly available eventually...:naughty:

Well I`ll be, Mr. B. :o  That is just the three numbers I wanted! :thumbup:

Should I send PayPal now? 8)

I know, I already got one. :-[  Don`t know why anyone would pass up one of these lights. This has turned out to be a unique light that I am going to harass my poor PostMan relentlessly for its delivery. The blue color is starting to grow on me.;)

Thanks & great job Mr. B! :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 29, 2006, 11:24:24 AM
hope you remember you suppose to send #4, #7,#13 to me...  8)
Anyways, can I have mine with  green trit uninstalled, Charlie...
Think I will go for the blue trit as well from GregW :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: marcspar on August 29, 2006, 12:52:15 PM
They look awesome, Charlie!  Paypal was sent a while back. I'll be waiting for the mailman later next week....

Thanks again!

Marc
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 29, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
Did anyone else have a dream about their DamCham last night? :thinking: :sleepy2: :tongue8:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: aib on August 29, 2006, 03:50:38 PM
Charlie,

Wonderful coloration :thumbup: :thumbup: 

When you ship mine, please make sure hurricane Ernesto has left Florida and typhoon Loke hasn't come knocking on your door.  Wouldn't want this wonderful light to get blown away before I get my hands on it.  (PP was sent Mon., 8/28 AM to avoid "Ernesto," so please advise if you didn't receive!)

Thanks a bunch,

AIB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PhotonFanatic on August 29, 2006, 07:46:57 PM
Charlie,

Do we get a discount if you don't install the Green Trit?  :D

I've ordered a Blue Trit from Greg, so please do not install the green one. Thanks.

Actually a RED Trit might be nice, too.

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on August 29, 2006, 07:49:14 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking of putting a Muave one in mine... ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PhotonFanatic on August 29, 2006, 08:12:51 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking of putting a Muave one in mine... ;)


That would be mauvelous, no doubt.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 29, 2006, 09:23:31 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking of putting a Muave one in mine... ;)


That would be mauvelous, no doubt.

You said a mauvful.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on August 29, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 29, 2006, 11:07:12 PM
It's good to see Charlie finally blowin' the mauveballs off this project.  :laughing8:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PhotonFanatic on August 30, 2006, 12:33:14 AM
Yes, and the mauvestro will conducting this weekend, too.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on August 30, 2006, 12:38:45 AM
Too bad PSM can't be there - Mauver Nature is turning the PSM Compound into a swimming pool  :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 30, 2006, 12:47:35 AM
Too bad PSM can't be there - Mauver Nature is turning the PSM Compound into a swimming pool  :'(

Lets hope not! I am dry as of right now....   :thumbup: 

That reminds me..... I gotta stock up on AA's just in case, I can still run the ole HandHelds if the Power goes out!  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on August 30, 2006, 12:49:05 AM
I can still run the ole HandHelds if the Power goes out!  8)

Oh, I guess the Finance is out of town, then?  :-[

Hope your mauver doesn't drop by and catch you doing that!  >:(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 30, 2006, 12:57:32 AM
I can still run the ole HandHelds if the Power goes out!  8)

Oh, I guess the Finance is out of town, then?  :-[

Hope your mauver doesn't drop by and catch you doing that!  >:(

Mauve your mind outta the gutter, I was talkin about my scanners!  :laughing6:
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Post by: MR Bulk on August 30, 2006, 01:44:37 AM
On the subject of "mauve"...:sad3: :confused5:

Anyways to strike down boredom till Sunday I took a few more pictures of them en masse and will have them up shortly.
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Post by: PhotonFanatic on August 30, 2006, 01:51:47 AM
Oh, come on, Charlie! Don't be so mauvelin!
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 30, 2006, 02:20:12 AM
Oh, come on, Charlie! Don't be so mauvelin!

Mauve over fred, Mr. B. wants to post some pics!!! :drool:
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Post by: PhotonFanatic on August 30, 2006, 02:33:05 AM
Would be even better if he'd post some mauvetion pictures of the Dam Cham in action.  :thumbup:
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Post by: MR Bulk on August 30, 2006, 02:42:48 AM
Hmmm, makes me almost wanna change the usual inscription on my next light to, "Mauve in Hawaii"...:evil6:

Anyway, I just got through being tied up with a delivery when the mailman arrived  (not DamCham stuff, something else) so I'll go work on the pitchers now...
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Post by: nemul on August 30, 2006, 02:57:20 AM
Hmmm, makes me almost wanna change the usual inscription on my next light to, "Mauve in Hawaii"...:evil6:

Anyway, I just got through being tied up with a delivery when the mailman arrived  (not DamCham stuff, something else) so I'll go work on the pitchers now...
hmmm...
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 30, 2006, 02:59:27 AM
Would be even better if he'd post some mauvetion pictures of the Dam Cham in action.  :thumbup:

Not to mauvetion pictures of the Dam Cham in provocative poses.  :naughty: :laughing7:
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Post by: MR Bulk on August 30, 2006, 03:31:20 AM
As promised - more pics...


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCArcs.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCLft-Arc.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCRt-Arc.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCmid-Arc.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCButts.jpg)


This one is the most striking - I figure the interleaving of metals was thinnest in those layers and were just starting to change to a new color range - 'cept it ain't mine, it's 20 - daaaaang it!:

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DCView.jpg)


Hey waitaminute - it belongs to one of the listees who hasn't responded yet...:thinking:


Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on August 30, 2006, 03:45:17 AM
yea, where has Grumpy been?
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 30, 2006, 03:50:50 AM
Well thats Murphy's Law, mine has the dam date stamp over it! :rotflmao:

J/K Thanks for the pics Charlie! Lookin good....  :love5:
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Post by: Steve Stephens on August 30, 2006, 04:07:50 AM
Aren't those just the purdiest lights around!!  Can anyone make out #15?  That's the one I want. 

Charlie, two questions; 1.) can you line them up by number so we can drool over OUR light and get to know it before taking delivery?  and 2.) will there be some kind of care instructions so we can keep the light looking great?  I know nothing of damascus and don't want to be tempted to polish this light.  NO WAY.

Hurry lights, get built and shipped.  Thanks for the great photos Charlie.

Steve
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 30, 2006, 04:08:42 AM
Wow, lookin' REAL good.  :)  OK, so how many of you have broken out the ol' magnifying glass to try to figure out where yours is?   :laughing7:  I have.  Can't find #4 in that shot.   :(
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Post by: MR Bulk on August 30, 2006, 04:23:15 AM
BTW, is any of that hurricane action going to affect VA or FL?  'Cause that's where two of the three non-respondents live...:thinking:
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 30, 2006, 04:25:11 AM
BTW, is any of that hurricane action going to affect VA or FL?  'Cause that's where two of the three non-respondents live...:thinking:

Looks like the hurricane has fizzled into a big rainstorm.
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Post by: MR Bulk on August 30, 2006, 04:27:27 AM
...and a second BTW - I applied car wax all over the protos and they are doing just fine, and one of them I carry during work hours at least once a week.  Sliding'em in and out of my pretty snug fitting Rayskin holster has had no effect on the finish so far either.

As for the rainstorm, then I am wondering if they evacuated anyway and are now having to make their way back home or something?  Or did the storm shut down the internet, other utilities, etc.?
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Post by: RPM on August 30, 2006, 04:42:28 AM
I'm  :drool: ing all over the place... 
Thanks for the pics of the Blues Brothers....  which one is #14? :BangHead:  I can't find it!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 30, 2006, 04:45:29 AM
I'm  :drool: ing all over the place... 
Thanks for the pics of the Blues Brothers....  which one is #14? :BangHead:  I can't find it!!

According to my magnifying glass  :laughing7: you're the first one in the fourth row down.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on August 30, 2006, 04:51:08 AM
Thanks... Troy

I just needed to take a deep breath and calm down!

Man are those sweeeeet!
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Post by: Codeman on August 30, 2006, 12:04:51 PM
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Post by: Geologist on August 30, 2006, 12:06:33 PM
Where the heck was I during signup? :'(
I'd be proud to have one of these, even if it did say "Mauve in Hawaii"... :toothy10:

IF I recall correctly, you were banned at the time!  :rotflmao:
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 30, 2006, 03:02:50 PM
Floridian here!  Its not bad at all, just drizzling.  Man I have stared at my number 23 for about 15 minutes..... :drool:
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Post by: Likebright on August 30, 2006, 04:32:12 PM
 :blob6: Hot Dang! :blob6:
There mine is right to the left of the date stamp.
Number 21.
Right there.
In Hawaii.
Ready to be readied.
Yup.

Mike :)
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Post by: aib on August 30, 2006, 04:40:27 PM
Hey Dad,

If my aging presbyopia is correct, you look to be the 2nd one in from the right side on the top row ::)  8)     Steve, yours looks to be 1st on the right side of 2nd row!

As for disneyworld weather, it ain't even raining anymore.  To start again later, but storm has been down graded to tropical depression.

Hope that helps...

AIB>>>>>>>>>>>

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Post by: Steve Stephens on August 30, 2006, 06:23:26 PM
Steve, yours looks to be 1st on the right side of 2nd row!
That's what I was thinking.  I like that one-pretty from the tail end.  It's also a young one; you can tell from the wide growth rings.

Steve
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Post by: Nedtheshred on August 30, 2006, 08:06:27 PM
Notice there are only 23 in the pictures?
That's because mine #2 left Hawaii yesterday in route to my house.
he he he
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Post by: MR Bulk on August 30, 2006, 09:19:53 PM
Notice there are only 23 in the pictures?
That's because mine #2 left Hawaii yesterday in route to my house.
he he he


WHOOPS!!!  NOW ya went and did it, Fishy! :protest:

Actually there's a whole story behind this, but I'll leave it to anyone who wants to hear it to goad him into telling...:evil6:
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Post by: BigHonu on August 30, 2006, 10:14:13 PM
Damn, those are some good lookin lights!   :thumbup:
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 30, 2006, 10:38:48 PM
Hey Dad,

If my aging presbyopia is correct, you look to be the 2nd one in from the right side on the top row ::)  8)    

Hey, thanks AIB!  I was sorta thinkin' that, too, but wasn't really sure.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on August 31, 2006, 12:46:18 AM
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on August 31, 2006, 01:17:01 AM
Relative trit brightness for your reference:

(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/3628/trits6qu.jpg)
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Post by: EricMack on August 31, 2006, 01:20:55 AM
Codey is dead right, blue IS dimmer.  Everyone ought to think about that going in...

Wave, Jeez, what can I say?  :D  You are the King  :icon_king: of awesome photography, Thanky for that!  :thumbup:
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on August 31, 2006, 01:35:45 AM
I have the Blue trit from GregW's bezel ring Trit GB.  Yes as I said before, no doubt blue is dimmer.  BUT, in this case, blue is not that much dimmer than the green sise by side. (I bought both colors)  WP's pic is accurate in the difference in brightness.

I'm willing to sacrifice a lil brightness of green for the cool-blue factor of this Blue Damascus set-up.  8)

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Post by: Codeman on August 31, 2006, 03:33:36 AM
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Post by: Lips on August 31, 2006, 04:16:50 AM
Handheld for 1 sec so a little blur


Camera sees different than the eye but only slightly dimmer
The Blue tritium fit for the Dams is much brighter than the illumination.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/For%20Sale/IMG_0589.jpg)


Greg  can you get the longer 1.65mm vials pictured...


.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on August 31, 2006, 04:23:25 AM
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Post by: Lips on August 31, 2006, 04:36:02 AM
I agree with you, the green is brighter than the blue. That's what my eyes say...


I think the blue vial fits the Dam Cham better still. Bigger slot would make the topic moot.  :D

It doesn't matter too me too much as I'm Damless anyway, Damnit!   
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Post by: Codeman on August 31, 2006, 04:45:28 AM
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Post by: Grumpy on August 31, 2006, 06:01:39 AM
Payment sent for #20.
I like the blue color very much!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 31, 2006, 06:23:20 AM
For those folks that are planning on going with blue tritium, have you really thought about what the dim-ness of the blue vials means?  I've got a Raw SS with a blue tritium, and a Raw Ti with a green tritium.  I can see the green while there's still some light around, but it has to be almost completely dark before the blue is visible.  I suspect that, by the time it's dark enough to see the blue tritium, it'll be too dark to see that the Dam-Cham is also blue.  What good is it to be color-matched if you can't see the match?  Well, other than the esoteric reason - "just because"?

Now, if some blue tritium could be found that was as bright as the green ones, then it'd be a different story.  A blue Dam-Cham with a blue tritium vial that are both visibly blue at the same time would be very cool, but I doubt that will be the case.  I've got both green and blue vials from 2 or 3 different sources, though, and the blue is always noticeably dimmer.

I know that if I didn't have both color vials to see the difference in person, I'd want the blue.  But, since I do have them both and know the difference, if it was me, I'd keep the green one for functionality. 

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind (yeah, like I could really do that!), it's just something to consider...

I wouldn't want anyone to go with the blue, only to be disappointed and wish they'd stayed with the green.  And I'm definitely not trying to talk anyone out of buying vials from gregw - I've got both green and blue from him and I like 'em both!

See?  SEE???  I've experienced both colors as well and agree with Code-y wholeheartedly.  Also once a vial is installed, ya pretty much have to destroy it when getting it outta the slot, so make your decision verrrry carefully...:naughty:
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Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 31, 2006, 07:18:38 AM
I find I haven't have to depend on the tritium in my current crop of flashlights so far so I will stick with the blue
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Post by: tonyd on August 31, 2006, 07:36:07 AM
Green will always be brighter as it is tritium emitting beta radiation without impurites. Various "impurities" are added to cause beta energy from the tritium to excite another energy source to emit a different color. Thus some of the energy is lost in providing a color other than green. Hopefully the slot is a little longer than the exolion. :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 31, 2006, 09:11:46 AM
Checking my own Exolion they appear to be the same size vials.
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Post by: BraddahBill on August 31, 2006, 09:33:29 AM
You guys remember the shot put up by Rob (? Orb ?) in his sales thread..........a good indication in the brightness of colors in a group shot.




Bill
~//~
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lips on August 31, 2006, 10:52:18 AM
Lips - check the luminosity values of the green and the blue vials in your photo.  You might be surprised. ;)



Ok after looking at my 21 unused vials again in the dark Codeman has a point. Green is definitely brighter to the eye and the camera doesn't show it very well.  Still if I had a Damn Cham (I don't!) have to go blue!


I'm such a tritium "freak" gotta share what I'd might do...


Blue Glow Paint from www.glowinc.com $9.98 + ship

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BlueGlowPaint.jpg) 


After carefully painting the inside and walls of the trit slot I would use a very small amount of clear epoxy and glue the vial in.
Hopefully the glow of the blue tritium vial would be enough to cause the blue paint to fluores. Any light on it would definitely cause it to shine.


So there!!!


P.S.    Exolion and Cham use same trit vial...


.
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Post by: Geologist on August 31, 2006, 11:01:58 AM
Oh I hate thinking about this decision - but I Codey makes a good point about you will only see the trit when it is too dark to see the colors.....
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 31, 2006, 11:05:32 AM
I'm amazed at how many people are spending this much time trying to figure out what color they want for their trit.   :yawn:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lips on August 31, 2006, 11:10:58 AM



Especially the idiots that don't even have one coming...    :D


No offence Codey!
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Post by: Geologist on August 31, 2006, 12:09:13 PM
:rotflmao:
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Post by: fläshgreëniè on August 31, 2006, 12:42:00 PM
maybe they just trying to overload someone's decision making process and that person will give up their damcham in disgust...  ;)
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on August 31, 2006, 01:16:46 PM
Don't forget, guys, that the human eye is the most sensitive to green....more than any other color.  That is why the Bayer filter pattern on the digital sensors of cameras have twice as much green compared to blue and red. 

I'm damless too, but I'm here to add to the confusion so that one of the dammed will sell me his.....  ;)


Donald
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Post by: Codeman on August 31, 2006, 01:49:50 PM
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Post by: Yaesumofo on August 31, 2006, 04:29:39 PM
Hey guys as the first in line for a dropout I would be happy to pick up your spot. Of course you are welcome to sell your spot to anybody you like. I have no preference for serial numbers. These do look totally unique and beautiful MrBulk. Nice job getting this neat program put together.
Please Pm me or e-mail me with directions should the situation arise that one of these spots comes up.
Unlike the rest of you guys I have been following this thread with great interest but I have no pay off at the end of the day unless somebody falls out.
I know the odds are unlikely. I want you to know that I have been here all along since I missed a spot by not that many minutes.
In fact to be frank I hate seeing these because it stirs desire in  me for something I know I can't or most likely not be able to have. Yet I still torcher my self in the off chance that I will get lucky.
Thanks
for reading my sob story.
Yaesumofo



Hey guys,

Glad the pics came out to everyone's satisfaction.

James/Yaesumofo,

There are now three listees I have not gotten responses from yet; however, they all have their $200 non-refundable deposits invested and I think it unlikely they would drop out at this point.  At worst they would simply "sell" their spots in line to someone else - in fact quite easily, I would think.

Anyway I just notified the listees late last night so I must give them right up until the time we will ship these babies out, which'd be around the beginning of next week...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on August 31, 2006, 06:05:03 PM
Hey Mo'fo,

No disrespect here, but you'll have to get in line.....

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=3370.0

 ;)
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 31, 2006, 06:30:33 PM
Hey WP, Mofo was in line WAAAAAAAAAAAAY before your WTB thread.   ;)

Mofo, I know you'll eventually find one, so just be patient.  Nobody ever thought anybody'd cough up a Ti Chameleon either, but they did.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 31, 2006, 06:44:12 PM
All said above is true - unfortunately for some.

However if desire like this keeps up, I might do a VERY limited run, with scientifically micro-managed and tightly controlled heat treating processes varying the time/heat factors down to the minute and single-digit temps, whereby we can see the myriad of colors supposedly available in this type of Damascus.  Am told even red-orange, etc., eventually make their presence known (however briefly) so the treatment would have to be cut RIGHT when the desired color starts to appear, with each light being processed individually.  But that's if, and that's also later.  Meantime we got us a build comin' up.

Thanks to you all for your enthusiasm and interest, may your mad ravings be justified once these heavy little chunks of stubby steel hit your hands. :notworthy:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on August 31, 2006, 07:03:21 PM
None taken. It just so happens that I am the FIRST alternate on this list. If I don't receive a light through this sale I doubt I will ever receive one.
because I am not willing to pay a price above the price set by MrBulk in the original sale. So you will have no competition from me. Oh and by the way Just because you have a BST thread going for one of these hardly insures that the first seller of one of these will bring it to you. It is just one of those hard facts of life that people are free to do with their stuff as they see fit.
I happened to miss the boat by one person. I am first in line if somebody drops out of the buy. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if I was NOT the first person to receive a Dam-Cham in the after market. If one comes to me it does. If not then not. I will still be one crazy ass Mofoing happy flashlight freak.
Mr Bulk. These really are looking super cool. Please consider me on the list for any short run you may have planned. Hopefully my status here on this sale will follow me to a short run of these beauties.
Thanks
Yaesumofo

Hey Mo'fo,

No disrespect here, but you'll have to get in line.....

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=3370.0

 ;)
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Post by: regentag on August 31, 2006, 07:13:20 PM
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves...

I have returned from a hectic week abroad, and need a realvacation.

To finally be able to claim my prize after many moons of patience and anticipation brings much comfort to this flashaholic's travel-weary bones.

Bring it on!

Cheers,
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on August 31, 2006, 07:27:09 PM
None taken. It just so happens that I am the FIRST alternate on this list. If I don't receive a light through this sale I doubt I will ever receive one.
because I am not willing to pay a price above the price set by MrBulk in the original sale. So you will have no competition from me. Oh and by the way Just because you have a BST thread going for one of these hardly insures that the first seller of one of these will bring it to you. It is just one of those hard facts of life that people are free to do with their stuff as they see fit.
I happened to miss the boat by one person. I am first in line if somebody drops out of the buy. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if I was NOT the first person to receive a Dam-Cham in the after market. If one comes to me it does. If not then not. I will still be one crazy ass Mofoing happy flashlight freak.
Mr Bulk. These really are looking super cool. Please consider me on the list for any short run you may have planned. Hopefully my status here on this sale will follow me to a short run of these beauties.
Thanks
Yaesumofo

Hey Mo'fo,

No disrespect here, but you'll have to get in line.....

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=3370.0

 ;)

Now Mofo, you said it the first paragraph you wouldn't pay more than the original price set by Mr. Bulk, then in the second paragraph you said would consider the aftermarket.  But a seller would almost certainly charge more in such a market.  So, just for the record, are you willing to pay more than the original price if one is offered up in the secondary market...or not?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 31, 2006, 08:18:10 PM
OK everyone - lets see what happens - the lights aren't even built yet! 
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on August 31, 2006, 08:44:58 PM
ok..ok..... Mo'fo is before me........   8)

I'll try to fit in somewhere......


Definately in for a potential second run, though......  :thumbup:

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on August 31, 2006, 09:10:31 PM
Actually Ginger called me again about getting it in on the DAMCHAM - what can I say?
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Post by: MR Bulk on August 31, 2006, 09:57:25 PM
Geo, which Ginger would that be?  Rogers? :evil6:

And BTW, does anybody know where (or even who) FlashMike is?  He's the last one who hasn't responded...I sent him both an e-mail (to his addy provided in his Paypal for the initial deposit) and a PM from here.

Anybody?
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Post by: seattlite on August 31, 2006, 10:03:45 PM
Geo, which Ginger would that be?  Rogers? :evil6:

And BTW, does anybody know where (or even who) FlashMike is?  He's the last one who hasn't responded...I sent him both an e-mail (to his addy provided in his Paypal for the initial deposit) and a PM from here.

Anybody?


He uses that moniker on CPF.  Last post was 7-31-06.  Maybe PM him on CPF?
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Post by: Geologist on August 31, 2006, 10:25:47 PM
Perhaps on vacation?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on August 31, 2006, 11:09:21 PM
:icon_scratch:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: ernsanada on September 01, 2006, 03:42:50 AM
Geo, which Ginger would that be?  Rogers? :evil6:

And BTW, does anybody know where (or even who) FlashMike is?  He's the last one who hasn't responded...I sent him both an e-mail (to his addy provided in his Paypal for the initial deposit) and a PM from here.

Anybody?


It could be Ginger stuck with 6 other stranded castaways on Gilligan's Isle.  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on September 01, 2006, 04:31:09 AM
For the record Unless it comes directly from Mr Bulk at the group price, on the basis that I am first in line to be offered one (from my perspective I have made a commitment to purchase one of these lights should one become available), I will not be in the market for one of these lights. On any basis.

What I was saying in the other post was that it wouldn't surprise me to see one or more of these lights on the secondary market rather quickly, and at a marked up price and that I would be bypassed because I am not interested in purchasing one of these lights on that basis.

Yaesumofo

[/quote]

Now Mofo, you said it the first paragraph you wouldn't pay more than the original price set by Mr. Bulk, then in the second paragraph you said would consider the aftermarket.  But a seller would almost certainly charge more in such a market.  So, just for the record, are you willing to pay more than the original price if one is offered up in the secondary market...or not?
[/quote]
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 01, 2006, 08:54:57 AM

And BTW, does anybody know where (or even who) FlashMike is?  He's the last one who hasn't responded...I sent him both an e-mail (to his addy provided in his Paypal for the initial deposit) and a PM from here.

Anybody?



CANCEL ABOVE...Mike just contacted me, and all Dam Chams as originally signed up for have definitely been taken.

Thank You everyone.

BTW, a pic or two will post tomorrow from my workbench where I have been soldering up circuit boards (hey, the wires don't grow on'em by themselves ya know), just so that everyone knows prior to each big HAT Event there is always a little Bulk Event - all by myself - to get things ready for the HAT Event...:confused5:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 01, 2006, 12:37:28 PM

And BTW, does anybody know where (or even who) FlashMike is?  He's the last one who hasn't responded...I sent him both an e-mail (to his addy provided in his Paypal for the initial deposit) and a PM from here.

Anybody?



CANCEL ABOVE...Mike just contacted me, and all Dam Chams as originally signed up for have definitely been taken.

Thank You everyone.

BTW, a pic or two will post tomorrow from my workbench where I have been soldering up circuit boards (hey, the wires don't grow on'em by themselves ya know), just so that everyone knows prior to each big HAT Event there is always a little Bulk Event - all by myself - to get things ready for the HAT Event...:confused5:

Good stuff Mr. B!  So I may have missed it, what bin of leds are going in these?  VXOH? A man can dream cant he? :evil6:

Man they are getting close....
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Post by: EricMack on September 01, 2006, 01:57:37 PM
However if desire like this keeps up, I might do a VERY limited run, with scientifically micro-managed and tightly controlled heat treating processes varying the time/heat factors down to the minute and single-digit temps, whereby we can see the myriad of colors supposedly available in this type of Damascus.  Am told even red-orange, etc., eventually make their presence known (however briefly) so the treatment would have to be cut RIGHT when the desired color starts to appear, with each light being processed individually.  But that's if, and that's also later.  Meantime we got us a build comin' up.

Um, I'm not missing out on anything, even if its a huge IF :thumbsup:

I'll Take It!!


 :notworthy: :drool: :occasion14: :drool: :notworthy:
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Post by: Codeman on September 01, 2006, 01:58:36 PM
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 01, 2006, 02:04:37 PM
ME THREE......and FOUR!!!!  
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Post by: EricMack on September 01, 2006, 02:07:29 PM
ME THREE......and FOUR!!!!

Is that what you call those?  Nice!!  :angel12:




 :rotflmao:
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Post by: Likebright on September 01, 2006, 04:01:14 PM
Charlie,
Did I say Green tritium will be alright with me.
"Green tritium will be all right with me."
There Now I did.
BTW nice light Grumpy.
Can't wait for build and pictures.
Mike

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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 01, 2006, 04:08:05 PM
Me Five!
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 01, 2006, 04:12:06 PM
Is that what you call those?  Nice!!  :angel12:

 :rotflmao:

 :naughty:
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Post by: Geologist on September 01, 2006, 05:53:07 PM
Oh I'm in for one of those too!  COunt ME IN!
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Post by: Rudi on September 01, 2006, 05:57:01 PM
Charlie, have you weighed one yet?
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Post by: Codeman on September 01, 2006, 07:22:24 PM
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Post by: Geologist on September 01, 2006, 07:24:24 PM
Charlie, have you weighed one yet?

May have to use that USPS "flat rate box"!

But Ginger wouldn't fit!
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Post by: Nedtheshred on September 01, 2006, 11:49:42 PM
Thanks very much Charlie,
The DamCham arrived today and is awesome.
I came home early and watched the mailman put it in the mail box.
I put in the UXOJ and LC driver sweeet.
Fish
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Post by: MorpheusT1 on September 02, 2006, 12:39:40 AM
Huh,  :icon_scratch:



Cristmas comming early this year?




Well good on ya mate ;)


Benny



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Post by: Nedtheshred on September 02, 2006, 05:33:12 AM
Better than xmas
I just got the DamCham Kit, some assembly required.  I wanted to go with LC driver.
This thing hasn't left my hand, the boys (kids) all think its cool too and want it.
I hate to put it away in the safe
Fish'on
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Post by: Geologist on September 02, 2006, 06:53:25 AM
pictures!!!!!
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 02, 2006, 05:01:07 PM
At first I thought, "No sense in pitchers" since they all look similar, but now realize that actually, pictures are a valid request because the fold patterns of each DamCham are genuinely unique, not to mention the serializing on the bottom logo.

So yeah, pitchers indeed...besides, for the moment Fish-y has the only DC in existence using LionCub running gear...

BTW, I can ship off anyone's DC right now this moment if they want it in DIY form like Fishman's...:evil6:
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Post by: Geologist on September 02, 2006, 07:53:09 PM
Would that ship with the XXOH?
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Post by: Kenster on September 03, 2006, 11:45:03 AM
Would that ship with the XXOH?

Geo, did you missed out? :o  I must have got the last one of those emitters!   8)  

I wish!  :P :laughing7:
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Post by: Geologist on September 03, 2006, 11:54:34 AM
Would that ship with the XXOH?

Geo, did you missed out? :o  I must have got the last one of those emitters!   8)  

I wish!  :P :laughing7:

Well maybe Charlie will get a new stock of the ZXOA emitters in - combine with the solar cell/reflector combination, the light charges its own battery while in use!  Talk about not loosing that 40% of bulb lumens!  The next version will actual create more power than it uses!  WOOHOO!
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Post by: flashlight on September 03, 2006, 01:47:06 PM
How come nobody's asked if they can have the pattern lines on all three main body parts of their DamCham lined up?  :P
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Post by: Geologist on September 03, 2006, 04:28:41 PM
:popcorn: for the HAT EVENT!

PICTURES!!!!
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Post by: Likebright on September 03, 2006, 04:38:11 PM
 :popcorn:
 hat event
 :) :D :)
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Post by: Geologist on September 03, 2006, 04:40:20 PM
Nice Avatar there!
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Post by: Geologist on September 03, 2006, 04:41:54 PM
So will this be the first Damascus light? - I've HEARD of others but not actually seen any....

Gonna be special!
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Post by: Likebright on September 03, 2006, 04:58:01 PM
Yup couldn't let it sit there with all those other lights. So I "Photo Chopped' it into my avatar.
Think I read some where it IS the first but a couple of people are now startin to look at constructing lights using Damascus steel.
Mike
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Post by: Steve Stephens on September 03, 2006, 08:59:41 PM
OK guys, what's a "HAT event"?

Steve
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Post by: MorpheusT1 on September 03, 2006, 09:07:18 PM
Its time for the Hawaiian Assembly Team to get started on the Dam-chams ;)

They are Mr.B`s slaves,or Serving wenches if you will.



Am i in trouble now?

 :dontknow:

Benny
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Post by: Yaesumofo on September 03, 2006, 09:31:40 PM
Green will allways appear brighter because your eye is most sensitive to green. that is why green trits work so well.
A question because I just don't know where to look in the thread.
Are these lights comming with a tritium iluminator as stock or is this an afternarket thing. Mr Bulk will MY unit come with a tritium illuminator? You know #25 of 24?
Thanks
Yaesumofo

Green will always be brighter as it is tritium emitting beta radiation without impurites. Various "impurities" are added to cause beta energy from the tritium to excite another energy source to emit a different color. Thus some of the energy is lost in providing a color other than green. Hopefully the slot is a little longer than the exolion. :-[
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Post by: Likebright on September 03, 2006, 10:14:27 PM
We have the HAT Event tentatively set for this coming weekend (Sept.2/3) after which the lights will begin shipping.  Thus it is time to request that you transact your remaining balances, PayPal preferred, to avoid delivery delays.

If you see this and are on the DC list, please contact me otherwise I shall contact you privately.  I thank you for your considerable patience all these months; the Damascus Chameleon's time is nearly at hand.

*Note: I regret that requests for blue tritium cannot be fulfilled.  The green (which is brighter) tritium was purchased and delivered from overseas a while ago; however, those who will pursue doing this on their own should let me know immediately so that I can package their green vials separately, as once the vials are glued into their snugly fitting slots, replacing them with another would require destruction of the installed vial.
Yaesumofo,
I gather from this that the green will ship installed with each DamCham unless otherwise specified.
Mike
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 04, 2006, 05:28:32 AM
:popcorn: for the HAT EVENT!

PICTURES!!!!


We just got done, pitchers forthcoming after a bath, dinner, rest, etc.
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Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 04, 2006, 06:02:53 AM
Oh man!!! :hugme: :blob9: :blob9: :blob9:
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Post by: Geologist on September 04, 2006, 06:08:02 AM
WOOHOO!  "Damascus over Breakfast"!

kinda catchy huh?
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Post by: Jurphaas on September 04, 2006, 10:42:14 AM
Good job Charlie and the HATeam!
Charlie check your email - PM, please.
Jurphaas.
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 04, 2006, 12:57:34 PM
Wow, the pictures are gonna be great, even if MY Dam Cham won't be shown in there.   :'(
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Post by: Geologist on September 04, 2006, 01:09:16 PM
Wow, the pictures are gonna be great, even if MY Dam Cham won't be shown in there.   :'(

??
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 04, 2006, 01:12:38 PM
Yeah, it's gonna get a little special treatment before assembly.   ;)
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Post by: Geologist on September 04, 2006, 01:20:29 PM
Are you gonna get it painted a TI color?  Or getting a lanyard hole drilled?

Oh do tell!
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 04, 2006, 01:26:11 PM
Are you gonna get it painted a TI color?  Or getting a lanyard hole drilled?

Oh do tell!

Paint a damascus steel?  Oy! 'Av ye gone nuts, mate?   :laughing7:  Lanyard hole??  Me, the anti-lanyard-hole guru?  :fucyc:  No, something better.  But I'm sworn to secrecy.   ;)
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Post by: Geologist on September 04, 2006, 01:28:27 PM
Are you gonna get it painted a TI color?  Or getting a lanyard hole drilled?

Oh do tell!

Paint a damascus steel?  Oy! 'Av ye gone nuts, mate?   :laughing7:  Lanyard hole??  Me, the anti-lanyard-hole guru?  :fucyc:  No, something better.  But I'm sworn to secrecy.   ;)


hmmmmmmmmm
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Post by: bmstrong on September 04, 2006, 08:56:23 PM
I'll assume that you are going to have it etched?
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Post by: Geologist on September 04, 2006, 09:13:55 PM
I'll assume that you are going to have it etched?

Can ya elaborate on that?
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 04, 2006, 09:30:39 PM
Just got home from the beach, been gone since Friday, glad i havent missed much!
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 04, 2006, 11:42:39 PM
Roll it around in a vat of vinegar for a few days...?
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 04, 2006, 11:49:56 PM
Roll it around in a vat of vinegar for a few days...?

You gonna pickle Troy's DamCham? :evil6:
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 04, 2006, 11:52:42 PM
:) ;) :-[
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 05, 2006, 12:10:39 AM
:) ;) :-[

Ahhh, the cats outta the bag.  A quick google search found that vinegar brings out the pattern more in Damascus after heat treatment, a slow etcher.....  :thumbup:
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Post by: Osprey Guy on September 05, 2006, 12:43:27 AM
Quote
vinegar brings out the pattern more in Damascus after heat treatment, a slow etcher.....

Yes...Vinegar will etch steel.  But if you're thinking of trying this out be very careful...given enough time vinegar can etch deeper than you might think.  If all of the critical areas are not first carefully and perfectly masked off (such as the threaded ends of each part of the body and head) you could wind up a very unhappy camper.  :'(


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
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Post by: tonyd on September 05, 2006, 01:27:38 AM
I guess it would not be as bad as HNO3/HF, but at any rate where are the pictures? >:(
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 05, 2006, 09:38:26 AM
Yessss, pitchers indeed...HAY!  YOU!  You two know who you are - our photogs - I'm just waiting for the file transfers to come in...
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Post by: Geologist on September 05, 2006, 02:52:45 PM
pictures!

Doesn't every light need its own little book of pictures?

Can't wait!
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Post by: EricMack on September 05, 2006, 07:08:56 PM
 :popcorn:
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Post by: tonyd on September 05, 2006, 08:20:32 PM
Time for new photog's. ;)
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Post by: Geologist on September 05, 2006, 09:44:03 PM
Charlie should have never removed the ball and chains from the HAT team - see what happens?
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 05, 2006, 09:51:39 PM
He should send these Dam-Chams to me..... I'll take care of them.... er...I mean the pictures!

 ;)
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Post by: tonyd on September 06, 2006, 12:15:27 AM
I suggest a good dose of brucine sulfate for these rouges
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Post by: Likebright on September 06, 2006, 02:42:55 AM
I bet he has already mailed them all out and that is why we don't have any new pictures.
Hope I am right. :D
Mike
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 06, 2006, 06:24:07 AM
(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/DamHAT01.jpg)

Okay, we got a problem - I cannot upload the pictures!  I have calls and and e-mail in to Randy, waiting for a resolution, don't know what is going on with our FTP software.

There are over 30 pictures (actually more like a hundred, although many were repetitive) and I will try and use the FF program instead, but it will be much, Much slower that way.

But at least on the bright side, all DamChams have been shipped.  I repeat:

ALL DAMCHAMS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 06, 2006, 06:29:15 AM
Here's one (had to resize this drastically)...
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 06, 2006, 06:31:35 AM
Here's two (guess what these are):

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Post by: MR Bulk on September 06, 2006, 06:35:29 AM
More -

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Post by: MR Bulk on September 06, 2006, 06:39:54 AM
...next...

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Post by: MR Bulk on September 06, 2006, 06:54:53 AM
...last of'em...
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Post by: Geologist on September 06, 2006, 08:35:40 AM
:headbang:

Thanks Mr. B.!
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Post by: marcspar on September 06, 2006, 11:48:17 AM
Awesome!

Marc

ps - I want the one [unclaimed?] with the in-between heat treatment, if it remains unspoken for - in addition to godd old #12 which is on the way.....
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 06, 2006, 12:48:00 PM
Looking good Mr. B, too bad they dropped #1 on the concrete though.  Eric wont mind, after all the pattern in the Damascus will hide the 2" long scratch and slight dent right?  :evil6:

Man, they have all shipped, i will have them in my paws by this weekend!  Any last minute care tips anyone?
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Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 06, 2006, 01:10:30 PM
wow, didn't realize you need something bigger than a big gulp, i.e super big gulp... :-[

there is a unclaimed damcham????

thanks again, HAT Team, for another chammie.  :thumbup: :notworthy:
Hopefully i will someday manage to thank you all personally
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Post by: EricMack on September 06, 2006, 01:14:23 PM
Looking good Mr. B, too bad they dropped #1 on the concrete though.  Eric wont mind, after all the pattern in the Damascus will hide the 2" long scratch and slight dent right?  :evil6:

Man, they have all shipped, i will have them in my paws by this weekend!  Any last minute care tips anyone?

Sorry PSM, #01 didn't make that party  :walk:

Dam Cham care tips:  Ok, lissen up.  I asked Dennis Greenbaum about caring for these, and this is what he recommended:   Wax.  Rennaisance Wax is popular...Developed by the British Museum of Antiquities for just such applications.  "Bowling Alley" wax is another good one...can be found in most good hardware stores.  The wax acts as a sealant and also helps prevent rust (this is afterall carbon-based steel...it's not stainless!).

This is what Charlie has already said he has been using with the Protos. 

Thanks, Dennis!  :thumbup:
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 06, 2006, 01:19:10 PM
Sorry PSM, #01 didn't make that party  :walk:


Yeah I know, it happened at the after party.... :laughing7:
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 06, 2006, 01:21:42 PM
Any last minute care tips anyone?

Yeah....send it to me.  I'll take GOOD care of it!

 :thumbup: Donald
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Post by: Yaesumofo on September 06, 2006, 02:26:24 PM
I can't believe that none of you guys have commented on my successful long wait on standby mode. I recently heard from Mr bulk confirming that #25 of 24 is MINE. that is correct #25 of 24. and not one of you guys has made a single comment. Man do I feel at home.
Looks like the HAT team has done their magic and this time the end product will be one for the ages. Just wondering if this HAT event was the smallest (smallest number of lights) ever?
Anyway just thought I would chime in a little about how lucky I got this time.
Yaesumofo
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Post by: seattlite on September 06, 2006, 02:53:30 PM
So what's the BIN of the LED used in this thing?
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 06, 2006, 03:27:29 PM
I recently heard from Mr bulk confirming that #25 of 24 is MINE. that is correct #25 of 24.

 :icon_thumleft:  Wow!  #25 of 24?  Is there such a thing, or are you pulling my leg?  Congrats!!!!

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Post by: dirkp on September 06, 2006, 03:36:25 PM
looks really great this light. :thumbup: :thumbup:

wish i could get also one of them  :(
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Post by: tdurand on September 06, 2006, 03:41:14 PM
Sittin in Hawaii......chillin'....... buidin' fancy schmancy lights. What kinda beer do you drink in a situation like that? Certainly not Old Milwaukee?

Damn you Dam-Cham for making me want a little bit more of the high life.

So envious......

T
 8) :thumbup: :D
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Post by: charlesn on September 06, 2006, 03:55:32 PM
So what's the BIN of the LED used in this thing?

I've seen this same question asked a number of times here, but--unless I missed it amongst the 53 pages (and counting) on this topic!--there hasn't been a reply posted. Does anyone know the answer? Charlie?
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Post by: Geologist on September 06, 2006, 04:09:13 PM
Regarding the Luxeon bin - unless there is going to be some gigantic super suprise, the Chammie boards require (as per George/Charlie) the use of a H bin Vf.  Unless some more of that unobtainium has become available, that would make the best bin available a TxxH.  Since normally most of Mr. B's lights use an XO tint (thank ya!), then I am assuming the lights to have TXOH installed.  [What would be interesting is if suddenly a TXOH Lux I became available or a super cool K2 - but I wouldn't count on it!]
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Post by: Geologist on September 06, 2006, 04:22:45 PM
I can't believe that none of you guys have commented on my successful long wait on standby mode. I recently heard from Mr bulk confirming that #25 of 24 is MINE. that is correct #25 of 24. and not one of you guys has made a single comment. Man do I feel at home.
Looks like the HAT team has done their magic and this time the end product will be one for the ages. Just wondering if this HAT event was the smallest (smallest number of lights) ever?
Anyway just thought I would chime in a little about how lucky I got this time.
Yaesumofo

Yaesumofo-

congrats on getting in on this build for a beautiful light - I am sure you (like us other lucky ones) are gonna be quite happy!

I think the Ti Chameleon even would have been smaller since there were a few less of these lights...

(now I gotta find some bowling ball wax!)
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 06, 2006, 07:28:43 PM
Sorry the pics didn't come out in the usual fashion.

Geo is correct, the bin code is TXOH.

tdurand, our "highstyling" (well, mostly just light-building) lives are only the end result of some envious years we ourselves spent.  I'm sure if you are that interested in lights then you will most likely enjoy this, too.  All ya need is a solderin' iron...:naughty:

Congrats Yaesu.  Your luck finally did come around.

Back to bed...
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Post by: RPM on September 06, 2006, 07:58:20 PM
I can't believe that none of you guys have commented on my successful long wait on standby mode. I recently heard from Mr bulk confirming that #25 of 24 is MINE. that is correct #25 of 24. and not one of you guys has made a single comment. Man do I feel at home.
Looks like the HAT team has done their magic and this time the end product will be one for the ages. Just wondering if this HAT event was the smallest (smallest number of lights) ever?
Anyway just thought I would chime in a little about how lucky I got this time.
Yaesumofo

Does that mean it is serialized that way? 25/24   How cool is that!!  It's like a SE within a Special Edition!
Perhaps the most unique Dam Cham!!   DAM!!  :thumbup:
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 06, 2006, 08:15:14 PM
Yup, RPM you are correct.  Now of course a dyslexic fellow might read that Yaesu's light is "only" no. 24 in a run of 25...:evil6:
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Post by: RPM on September 06, 2006, 08:21:13 PM
Yaesumofo  8)  :thumbup:  :D  :)  :occasion1:
Mr. Bulk   :notworthy:  :headbang:  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Geologist on September 06, 2006, 08:25:24 PM
Yup Yaesumofo - looks like you got a winner!

But Mr. B - I though you said #25 was gonna be made of balsa wood and then painted some pretty colors?
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 06, 2006, 08:51:28 PM
shhhhhh..... Mo'fo might hear ya!   ;)
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 06, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
I recently heard from Mr bulk confirming that #25 of 24 is MINE. that is correct #25 of 24.

 :icon_thumleft:  Wow!  #25 of 24?  Is there such a thing, or are you pulling my leg?  Congrats!!!!



No, he's dead serious.  #25 of 24.  :D
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Post by: MorpheusT1 on September 06, 2006, 10:00:36 PM
WOW,

Thats Really a rarity...

I think you just Got Double lucky mofo :D



Congrats.
Benny
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 07, 2006, 03:24:02 AM
 I got one icon for me looking at my mailbox until my DamCam shows up: :popcorn:
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 07, 2006, 03:26:32 AM
WOW,

Thats Really a rarity...

I think you just Got Double lucky mofo :D



Congrats.
Benny

Benny, way back in this long, long thread, we learned that there would be at least 25 units made, yet 24 would be the top number (partly because Charlie wanted #00).
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 07, 2006, 03:48:25 AM
Yup, and as it turns out there was enough material to eke out 26 complete lights.  TnC can be amazing sometimes.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on September 07, 2006, 03:50:36 AM
Looking at the first post in this thread I see that the numbers seem to run from 00 to 23 which is 24 lights.  If so and Yaesumofos is # 25 of 24 (that makes no sense but I'm certain the light won't know the difference) is there a 24/24 numbered light and is Yaesumofos light actually numbered 25/24 on the tail?

San Francisco must be one of the first stops from Hawaii so should have my light SOON.  Can't wait!  I do hope it arrives by Saturday as I will be out of town after that for 10 days.

Quote
Yup, and as it turns out there was enough material to eke out 26 complete lights.  TnC can be amazing sometimes.
Charlie, you nudged your post in when I was typing this one.  So, after #23/24 what actual numbering was done if any on the two extra lights?
Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on September 07, 2006, 04:42:10 AM
I don't think yaesumofo will really care what or how his light will be numbered as he'll probably be too ecstatic just to actually be able to get one. Not sure if he has even realized it yet or perhaps he has fainted from the excitement & not been able to post a reaction here!  :o
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 07, 2006, 05:04:54 AM
Looking at the first post in this thread I see that the numbers seem to run from 00 to 23 which is 24 lights.  If so and Yaesumofos is # 25 of 24 (that makes no sense but I'm certain the light won't know the difference) is there a 24/24 numbered light and is Yaesumofos light actually numbered 25/24 on the tail?

San Francisco must be one of the first stops from Hawaii so should have my light SOON.  Can't wait!  I do hope it arrives by Saturday as I will be out of town after that for 10 days.

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Yup, and as it turns out there was enough material to eke out 26 complete lights.  TnC can be amazing sometimes.
Charlie, you nudged your post in when I was typing this one.  So, after #23/24 what actual numbering was done if any on the two extra lights?
Steve


Yes the original target was 25 lights total with me reserving nos. 00 and 24, but with another extra light popping up, I decided to go with no. 25/24.  It is actually shown this way on the taillogo, with "25" on the left and "24" on the right.  Numbering convention ran 00 left/24 right, 01 left and 24 right, etc., all the way up to 24/24 until James' oddball-numbered unit.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on September 07, 2006, 06:43:51 AM
I am sure Harlie would agree that as oddballs we deserve each other. You mention in one of your posts to me that 00 was yours and of course that would not be sold. #25 of 24 will not be sold be me either. The strange thing is that I had a feeling about this the whole way through the process. I was disappointed when I did not make the list. At the same time I was extremely happy to be the first on the back up list. When you deal with Charlie if you miss out there is no better place to be than first on the backup list. I never got my hopes up either. When I saw that EVERYBODY had come up with the deposits I pretty much gave up. Usually there is some drop out not this time not even one. So the other day when Charlie e-mailed me about #25 of 24, There was no question about it I would never pass on that. I feel like  this is sort of like a 1955 DD Penny. Is is cool. I do look forward to receiving this beauty. Even if it is an oddball. It is clear to me that we were meant to be together.
Thanks Charlie This is a cool thing. Personally I most likely would have put the #25 of 24 into my personal MrBulk permanent collection.
Now It gets to go into MY personal Permanent collection which by the way is quite substantial. even though I have NO mr Bulk Titanium flashlights I am extremely pleased to make this a permanent part of my MrBulk collection. I will take a family portrait and post it soon.
Thanks guys for reading my rant. Hell my tongue is still sore from dragging on the floor after Mr Bulks e-mail. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I read it.
Yaesumofo

Looking at the first post in this thread I see that the numbers seem to run from 00 to 23 which is 24 lights.  If so and Yaesumofos is # 25 of 24 (that makes no sense but I'm certain the light won't know the difference) is there a 24/24 numbered light and is Yaesumofos light actually numbered 25/24 on the tail?

San Francisco must be one of the first stops from Hawaii so should have my light SOON.  Can't wait!  I do hope it arrives by Saturday as I will be out of town after that for 10 days.

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Yup, and as it turns out there was enough material to eke out 26 complete lights.  TnC can be amazing sometimes.
Charlie, you nudged your post in when I was typing this one.  So, after #23/24 what actual numbering was done if any on the two extra lights?
Steve


Yes the original target was 25 lights total with me reserving nos. 00 and 24, but with another extra light popping up, I decided to go with no. 25/24.  It is actually shown this way on the tail logo, with "25" on the left and "24" on the right.  Numbering convention ran 00 left/24 right, 01 left and 24 right, etc., all the way up to 24/24 until James' oddball-numbered unit.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 08, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
ALL DAMCHAMS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED!  :thumbsup:

OK, who's getting lucky with the Postman today?  Any of you West Coast guys seeing Blue, yet?  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 08, 2006, 02:56:38 PM
ALL DAMCHAMS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED!  :thumbsup:

OK, who's getting lucky with the Postman today?  Any of you West Coast guys seeing Blue, yet?  :D

West Coast?  Doh! I was hoping to get mine today on the East coast (FL).  BTW Mack, its only 8AM over there right now!  That would be an early visit!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 08, 2006, 03:00:07 PM
West Coast?  Doh! I was hoping to get mine today on the East coast (FL).  BTW Mack, its only 8AM over there right now!  That would be an early visit!

Yeah, I never stopped to think about that.  But, I smell Dam in the air!!  I know a few are gonna land today.  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 08, 2006, 03:08:13 PM
West Coast?  Doh! I was hoping to get mine today on the East coast (FL).  BTW Mack, its only 8AM over there right now!  That would be an early visit!

Yeah, I never stopped to think about that.  But, I smell Dam in the air!!  I know a few are gonna land today.  8)

I am quite antsty myself.  I wonder when Charlie shipped them Eastern time on Weds.  Usually Priority is 2-3 days, but coming from HI, it could be 3-4 days.  With my luck, it will probably come tommorow.  I wont be home to accept it, so I will have to wait till Monday to pick it up at the post office....  :'(

Now my goal for today is to find some of that renaissance wax!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on September 08, 2006, 04:39:01 PM
Received mine today. Looks much better than pictures. They are heavy. Great job Mr.B. Of course I'm sure mine is the prettiest of all. :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 08, 2006, 05:14:31 PM
Whoo Hoooo!!! SuuuuuuweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeT!!
Blue Trit Curing with arc AAA UV..... Hopefully it wont fall off the bench! :evil6:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/Whooeydog/DamCham007.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 08, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
Whoo Hoooo!!! SuuuuuuweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeT!!
Blue Trit Curing with arc AAA UV..... Hopefully it wont fall off the bench! :evil6:

Looking good, Bran.  But one look at that pic, and I am going to have to turn down that dinner invite at the PSM Compound, Dr. Lector...  :(


Did I mention exposure to UV light on this heat blued finish will turn it black after about a five minute exposure?  Something to think about when instlling these Trits... j/k
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on September 08, 2006, 05:32:02 PM
#06 of 24 checking. :thumbup: Took a quick picture for you guys sitting on your front porch with your laptops waiting for the Postman!   ;)

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/kenvehle/IMG_1262.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 08, 2006, 05:35:02 PM
Dang, that looks purty, Ken!  :thumbup:  You might want to put away that polishing compound for this light, though... ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 08, 2006, 05:37:01 PM
holy crap, those look sweeet!

 :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: aib on September 08, 2006, 05:47:37 PM
PSM,

Inside of 2 hours you went from hoping--to actually receiving your Dam-Cham???
Maybe since I'm in the middle of the state, I'll get mine today, too!!!

As for the Renaissance wax, if you have a good hardware store or antique store (not HD or Lowes) you might be able to find it.  I got mine last year at the Knifemakers' Guild Show in Orlando.  But it's used by museums all over for antiques of all kinds, etc.

Congrats on your lite :thumbup: :thumbup:
Regards,
AIB>>>>>>>>
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on September 08, 2006, 06:05:13 PM
Dang, that looks purty, Ken!  :thumbup:  You might want to put away that polishing compound for this light, though... ;)

Thanks for the warning Eric. I was just about to..............Ah no! :P

I just realized if you put a battery in it puts out a perfect beautiful beam of light too! 8) Trying to decide on a button color she will wear for her first night out on the town!  She needs something SEXY! :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on September 08, 2006, 07:24:52 PM
 Charlie,
How did you ship my light to me in Calif?  Priority?  Insured, signature required, etc.?   And what size/type of envelope or box?  I would like to know so I can hunt down my light at my PO if necessary as I am about to go on a 10 day trip and don't want the light sent back to you or get lost.   Tomorrow is my last chance for two weeks.

The postman just drove by my house a little while ago so no light today.  Hopefully tomorrow but, if not, I will have to wait until after Sept. 20 when I get back from the trip.  I thought 'for sure' today after seeing some of these lights in their lucky owners' hands.  Tomorrow, tomorrow, yes!

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 08, 2006, 07:36:49 PM
Looking sweet guys!  I imagine mine will arrive on Tuesday - knowing how things run around here!

Woohoo!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PhotonFanatic on September 08, 2006, 07:48:45 PM
Landed in Massachusetts today.  :thumbup:

(http://photonfanatic.com/IMAGES/damchamstanding.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 08, 2006, 07:55:28 PM
:headbang:
:)

too cool!

Like the flashlight too!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 08, 2006, 07:59:06 PM
Um, nice doll, PF.  :rolleye:  Kinda pictured you as a GI Joe, but it takes all kinds...  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 08, 2006, 08:39:35 PM
Hey PhotonFanatic,

You being a Barbie type of guy certainly explains a lot.....  ;)
Not that there's anything wrong with it...... if you're a girl.


but, it's healthy to express one's feminine side every now and then.....if you're a girl

GREAT PICS!!!!!  Enjoy your light!

Donald
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 08, 2006, 08:43:51 PM
Actually, y'all, THAT is NOT a Barbie.  THAT is a Polly Pocket.   :D  Those who happen to have eight year old daughters know these well.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 08, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
Hey PhotonFanatic,

You being a Barbie type of guy certainly explains a lot.....  ;)
Not that there's anything wrong with it...... if you're a girl.


but, it's healthy to express one's feminine side every now and then.....if you're a girl

GREAT PICS!!!!!  Enjoy your light!

Donald

Well - I guess he and Polly Pocket will be expressing themselves with #3 of 24!  hee hee
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: marcspar on September 08, 2006, 10:07:58 PM
 :thumbup: :thumbup:

# 12 made it safely to CT. The coloring is great - I had thought it would be best seen only on the flat tail, but the whole sides of the tube show lots of distinct layers.

It's heavy in a good way! Feels solid, almost.

I wiped her down down with sentry solutions tuff cloth to keep any oxidation at bay.

What's next, Charlie?

Marc
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 08, 2006, 10:31:25 PM
OK, I know i am probably doing something stupid..... :rolleye:

But I cant get my Dam Cham to work.  I thought it was the battery I had with me (AW R123), but when i got home its still not working.  I have got it to flicker here and there,  but thats it.  I put my 18650 brass tube on it and still nothing.  I confirmed that my R123 and 18650 LC tube worked on my Al Chameleon like a charm.  But all I have got out of the DC is a few flickers, but mainly nothing. 

The DC's Converter board (Where the + Battery contact is) seems very "wobbly" and loose compared to my Al Chameleon where the converter is real secured & solid in there. So I *think* this is where the problem lies.

Anybody got any input on how I can get my light working?  I would really rather fix it my self than to let this light outta my sight!

Thanks.

BTW I am not angry or mad, I just want to get this thing fired up! :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 09, 2006, 12:55:11 AM
Nice Avatar, Br.

BTW, IMO the DC looks way better with a "tan". 45 sec. under a Aleph 19 Cree did the trick for me.

Thanks for the tip, Eric!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 09, 2006, 01:01:57 AM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BigHonu on September 09, 2006, 01:07:21 AM
OK, I know i am probably doing something stupid..... :rolleye:

But I cant get my Dam Cham to work.  I thought it was the battery I had with me (AW R123), but when i got home its still not working.  I have got it to flicker here and there,  but thats it.  I put my 18650 brass tube on it and still nothing.  I confirmed that my R123 and 18650 LC tube worked on my Al Chameleon like a charm.  But all I have got out of the DC is a few flickers, but mainly nothing. 

The DC's Converter board (Where the + Battery contact is) seems very "wobbly" and loose compared to my Al Chameleon where the converter is real secured & solid in there. So I *think* this is where the problem lies.

Anybody got any input on how I can get my light working?  I would really rather fix it my self than to let this light outta my sight!

Thanks.

BTW I am not angry or mad, I just want to get this thing fired up! :thumbup:

Might have to have the SC weigh in on this one, but until then maybe this may help:

There should be a gold, wavy ring that sits up near the converter board.  I was told that the purpose of this ring to better facilitate the electrical connection between the body and the board as well as reduce the lateral twist in the board itself when the head is torqued down.  It should be loose and wobbly and not jammed in there.  Maybe (carefully) jiggle it around a little to see if that helps.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on September 09, 2006, 02:15:52 AM
On a seperate note the DamCham weighs in at 234.90g (about 1/2 lb) the Al cham is 99.20g thus I ask is the DamCham more than twice the light of the Al Cham? :rolleye:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 09, 2006, 03:24:50 AM
Thanks for the support guys, however I never noticed a Gold wavy ring.  I would have seen that! :thinking:

Can someone take a pic of this wavy ring?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on September 09, 2006, 04:09:47 AM
if this is goin be like all the other rare lights out now i would like to sell my spot on the list for $1500 dollars.... what a deal!

i know i'm not on the list.. it's a joke.. i say this cause i know someone was goin say, Your not even on the list.. lol

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=3431.0 (http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=3431.0)

lol
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 09, 2006, 07:08:20 AM
Nice Avatar, Br.

BTW, IMO the DC looks way better with a "tan". 45 sec. under a Aleph 19 Cree did the trick for me.

Thanks for the tip, Eric!

Can you elaborate on that RT?  Did UV light change the color?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 09, 2006, 07:33:29 AM
OK, I know i am probably doing something stupid..... :rolleye:

But I cant get my Dam Cham to work.  I thought it was the battery I had with me (AW R123), but when i got home its still not working.  I have got it to flicker here and there,  but thats it.  I put my 18650 brass tube on it and still nothing.  I confirmed that my R123 and 18650 LC tube worked on my Al Chameleon like a charm.  But all I have got out of the DC is a few flickers, but mainly nothing. 

The DC's Converter board (Where the + Battery contact is) seems very "wobbly" and loose compared to my Al Chameleon where the converter is real secured & solid in there. So I *think* this is where the problem lies.

Anybody got any input on how I can get my light working?  I would really rather fix it my self than to let this light outta my sight!

Thanks.

BTW I am not angry or mad, I just want to get this thing fired up! :thumbup:

Wow Brandon, sorry it is doing that!  All lights were checked (of course) prior to shipping so I am sure it will be along the lines of what Big Honu posted, that the "wave ring" was simply not making good contact.  Try repositioning it and see, and if not I will of course service it for you at my shipping expense.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 09, 2006, 07:40:24 AM
Thanks for the support guys, however I never noticed a Gold wavy ring.  I would have seen that! :thinking:

Can someone take a pic of this wavy ring?

It would be up inside the bottom of the Control Module, which is the body section that houses the switch.  It should curve around the circuit board's edge and be separate and "above" it, to make firm contact with the battery tube's top edge when it is tightened down.  Don't have a pic available at this very moment but if you don't have that ring in there perhaps it fell out when you unscrewed the battery tube the first time - although it Was sized to remain in the CM under slight spring tension when swapping batteries, however you know the old saying about the best laid plans of mice and men...anyway please take a look and if you don't have it in there I will get another out to you straightaway.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 09, 2006, 07:46:36 AM
Thumbs up to Mr. B!

Here is a pic from another thread:

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3073/dsc02760smallnm7.jpg)
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 09, 2006, 01:42:12 PM
Thanks for your reply Mr. B, and thanks for the pic Geo!

That ring is definatley not in my light, maybe it fell out? 

I couldnt imagine missing that! But hey, crazier thingsd have happened right?! :laughing6:

If you wouldnt mind Mr. B, could ya send me another one?  Dont sweat it, my Dam Cham is patiently waiting in its own Pelican case. 

BTW, The more I hold this light the more I like it.  The metal is truly amazing and i am glad i have the oppurtunity to own one of the first Damascus lights ever made!

Thanks,
Brandon G.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 09, 2006, 02:01:51 PM
err, I must be blind but none of my 4 chammies have this gold colored ring ????
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on September 09, 2006, 02:34:02 PM
 :thumbup:
Received mine and it is great!
The color is really cool kinda a blue grey.
Nice heft.
Solid.
The light output is great.
'I had forgotten how terrific this reflector really is.'
Thanks Mr. Bulk you’ve really gona havto go some to top this one.
It is a work of esthetic and mechanical art!
I am darned proud to own one of these!
Mike :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 09, 2006, 05:22:25 PM
Thanks for your reply Mr. B, and thanks for the pic Geo!

That ring is definatley not in my light, maybe it fell out? 

...Mr. B, could ya send me another one?

Thanks,
Brandon G.


Coming right up (on Monday)...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 09, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
err, I must be blind but none of my 4 chammies have this gold colored ring ????

Yes it was a recent development for the DamCham, just a different grounding system.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 09, 2006, 09:32:07 PM
:thumbup:
Received mine and it is great!
Nice heft.
Solid.
The light output is great.
'I had forgotten how terrific this reflector really is.'
Thanks Mr. Bulk you’ve really gona havto go some to top this one.
It is a work of esthetic and mechanical art!
I am darned proud to own one of these!
Mike :thumbup:

Mike, you could take virtually your entire post, go back a year and a half, and see that every word was stated the same way when the brass Cubs came out.   :thumbup: 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 09, 2006, 11:55:38 PM
err, I must be blind but none of my 4 chammies have this gold colored ring ????

Yes it was a recent development for the DamCham, just a different grounding system.

gotcha, roger, Mr.B commander SIR!! :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 10, 2006, 03:42:56 AM
Thanks for your reply Mr. B, and thanks for the pic Geo!

That ring is definatley not in my light, maybe it fell out? 

...Mr. B, could ya send me another one?

Thanks,
Brandon G.
Thank you DamCham Commander! :thumbup:

Coming right up (on Monday)...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 10, 2006, 05:46:56 PM
Nice Avatar, Br.

BTW, IMO the DC looks way better with a "tan". 45 sec. under a Aleph 19 Cree did the trick for me.

Thanks for the tip, Eric!

Can you elaborate on that RT?  Did UV light change the color?

Yes, it did.  I suspect about 30 sec. in bright sunlight (you remember what that looks like, don't you?) would have the same effect as my A19 UV did... all the detail is still there (the bright metal is unaffected), only the blue parts are changed to a more subtle grey/brown depending how long you leave it under the light, I suppose. 

The exception is the engraving on the tail (where the light can't hit directly?). The "walls" of the engraving are blue, a nice contrast tot he grey/brown.  Overall it's kind of like silver grey with bright silver stripes.

I think sunlight would provide even more uniform results, just remember to flip it over over few minutes :)

I'd take a picture, but I'm temporarily digital-camera-less.  Soon to be rectified.

Edit: a few comments for Charlie...

1.  This light needs to ship with a big red surgeon general's warning type sticker

     ATTENTION: THIS IS A FLASHLIGHT

     I keep forgetting, and just playing with it without turning it on!!! :-[

2.  The lanyard is great - where and who??  Everyone I show it to HATES it = I love it!

Cheers,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 10, 2006, 07:56:17 PM
What?  We gonna get another SE lanyard?  Could this be from the "man" Braddah?  :headbang:

Oh all my mail should arrive on Tuesday!  I can't wait!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 10, 2006, 08:48:53 PM
Thanks for the support guys, however I never noticed a Gold wavy ring.  I would have seen that! :thinking:

Can someone take a pic of this wavy ring?

Here it is, PS:

(http://www.mokume-gane.com/Media/Canyon1.jpg)

You might want to check through your trash. ;)

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 10, 2006, 09:42:23 PM

2.  The lanyard is great - where and who??  Everyone I show it to HATES it = I love it!

Cheers,


These Dam-Cham specific custom lanyards were made by our very own Braddah_Bill and if you'll notice, those little skulls are made of GITD material.  Bill also advises that if you feel the end is too long, simply trim to desired length and burn the ends with a lighter or something to prevent unraveling.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 10, 2006, 09:44:41 PM
Oh yeah BTW, for those of you who have not figured out the obvious, the lanyard attaches by unscrewing the battery tube and sliding the loop on, and then reattaching the tube...*DUH*... :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on September 10, 2006, 09:50:55 PM
Oh yeah BTW, for those of you who have not figured out the obvious, the lanyard attaches by unscrewing the battery tube and sliding the loop on, and then reattaching the tube...*DUH*... :thinking:
The obvious wasn't obvious to me.  Dam Cham was intercepted at the post office yesterday morning.  I was worried I'd miss it as I'm leaving on a trip tonigh.  A very nice light Charlie.  Mine is more of a steely grey than the brighter blue the photos have been showing.  Maybe it's the lighting?

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 10, 2006, 10:01:07 PM
Thanks for the support guys, however I never noticed a Gold wavy ring.  I would have seen that! :thinking:

Can someone take a pic of this wavy ring?

Here it is, PS:

(http://www.mokume-gane.com/Media/Canyon1.jpg)

You might want to check through your trash. ;)



Nice try.  That's Mokume Gane... ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 10, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
Nice try.  That's Mokume Gane... ;)

Well DUH, Eric.  Didn't you get that with YOUR Dam Cham?
Maybe I shouldn't have said anything... My bad!  :(

Have a nice day,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 10, 2006, 10:09:31 PM
Oh yeah BTW, for those of you who have not figured out the obvious, the lanyard attaches by unscrewing the battery tube and sliding the loop on, and then reattaching the tube...*DUH*... :thinking:
The obvious wasn't obvious to me.  Dam Cham was intercepted at the post office yesterday morning.  I was worried I'd miss it as I'm leaving on a trip tonigh.  A very nice light Charlie.  Mine is more of a steely grey than the brighter blue the photos have been showing.  Maybe it's the lighting?

Steve


Or perhaps it passed through an inspectional "sunlight machine" on its way to you? :thinking: :icon_scratch:

Actually it seems digicams all invent their own version of coloring and white balance, etc., so perhaps it is not as bright blue as you thought it appeared - they sure seemed pretty blue to us, though.


And BY THE WAY... that is NOT the gold wavy ring we is talkin' 'bout!!! :protest: :confused5:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 10, 2006, 11:07:01 PM
Ok, so you've got me there... but there is no denying that it IS a Gold wavy ring!

I were to remarry (on Mars), that's the ring I would get, fer sure.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 11, 2006, 12:12:08 AM
Ok, so you've got me there... but there is no denying that it IS a Gold wavy ring!

I were to remarry (on Mars), that's the ring I would get, fer sure.

That may not be the ring, but it does get a ringing endorsement from Dad.  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 11, 2006, 01:23:46 AM
Well, it's a bit over the top (like Mars), but it sure runs rings around the one in the DamCham, no offense intended, Charlie - form follows function and all that.

BTW, I have a ring (the one ring that controls them all) that you installed in my upgraded ChamCub that is a dead-ringer for the DamCham ring, but it is not "golden". 

Are you offering Gold upgrades for us "plain" ring-bearers?  I'm afraid that mine may oxidize over the next few hundred generations to the point where the heirs to my collection may experience intermittent grounding issues.

Cheers,

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 11, 2006, 01:34:56 AM
Well, it's a bit over the top (like Mars), but it sure runs rings around the one in the DamCham, no offense intended, Charlie - form follows function and all that.

BTW, I have a ring (the one ring that controls them all) that you installed in my upgraded ChamCub that is a dead-ringer for the DamCham ring, but it is not "golden". 

Are you offering Gold upgrades for us "plain" ring-bearers?  I'm afraid that mine may oxidize over the next few hundred generations to the point where the heirs to my collection may experience intermittent grounding issues.

Cheers,


Careful, Reg.  You don't want oxidation rings on your Dam Cham.   :laughing6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: ernsanada on September 11, 2006, 01:37:11 AM
Well, it's a bit over the top (like Mars), but it sure runs rings around the one in the DamCham, no offense intended, Charlie - form follows function and all that.

BTW, I have a ring (the one ring that controls them all) that you installed in my upgraded ChamCub that is a dead-ringer for the DamCham ring, but it is not "golden". 

Are you offering Gold upgrades for us "plain" ring-bearers?  I'm afraid that mine may oxidize over the next few hundred generations to the point where the heirs to my collection may experience intermittent grounding issues.

Cheers,


Careful, Reg.  You don't want oxidation rings on your Dam Cham.   :laughing6:

Or ring around the collar!  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 11, 2006, 01:38:52 AM
Well, it's a bit over the top (like Mars), but it sure runs rings around the one in the DamCham, no offense intended, Charlie - form follows function and all that.

BTW, I have a ring (the one ring that controls them all) that you installed in my upgraded ChamCub that is a dead-ringer for the DamCham ring, but it is not "golden". 

Are you offering Gold upgrades for us "plain" ring-bearers?  I'm afraid that mine may oxidize over the next few hundred generations to the point where the heirs to my collection may experience intermittent grounding issues.

Cheers,


Careful, Reg.  You don't want oxidation rings on your Dam Cham.   :laughing6:

Or ring around the collar!  :D

 :rotflmao:  Ernie, that's freakin' hilarious! 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 11, 2006, 03:25:11 AM
I'll just shout it out :yawn:

This thread is really going down fast...

I'd keep a lookout for the dreaded ring around the bowl at this point.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 11, 2006, 07:03:19 AM
Look what the postman drop by with today...


(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h96/photogreenie/DSC_1930.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 11, 2006, 08:10:59 AM
I did not know you had 3 Classics!  Now you are ahead of me!  I should have bought Rudi's last week!  Oh well!

I think mine should arrive either today or most likely tommorow!  :fingerscrossed:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 11, 2006, 08:16:09 AM
Oh and great picture of the new family arrival btw!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 11, 2006, 08:58:15 AM
thanks ,geo. Pretty happy with the latest addition to the cham family.
Think I am going to name my damcham supercham since its such a dense and heavy fellow like superman... ;)
The landyard is a nice surprise. Thanks,mr.B..  :thumbup:

So now this is done, whats next?? Would love one in mokume... 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 11, 2006, 03:58:56 PM
Beautiful family there, flashgreenie.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 11, 2006, 08:30:57 PM
thanks ,geo. Pretty happy with the latest addition to the cham family.
Think I am going to name my damcham supercham since its such a dense and heavy fellow like superman... ;)
The landyard is a nice surprise. Thanks,mr.B..  :thumbup:

So now this is done, whats next?? Would love one in mokume... 8)


Thanks for letting us know you got it safely flashgreenie.  As for the lanyard please don't thank me, instead just thank Braddah_Bill as it was his idea.

"Mokume"?  What, an African light? :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 11, 2006, 08:42:15 PM
african light?? that be gold with a diamond amplifier lense and a strip of lion fur around the CMI and comes with a hyena skin holester...   :D


thanks Bill!!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 11, 2006, 11:18:04 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 12, 2006, 12:54:35 AM
Thanks Code-y, I was just kidding...:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 12, 2006, 12:57:25 AM
Screw the jewelry, where's my Meteor Cham?  :woot: :toothy9:

and don't bake this one blue in your kid's Easy-Bake oven...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 12, 2006, 01:15:13 AM
http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=132727 (http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=132727)

CharlesN selling his DamCham on CPF for $700.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on September 12, 2006, 01:57:53 AM
Yeah,its my number too  :'(


Man i wish i had some decent money handling skills. :-[
I had to sell the poor thing even before it became a reality.
Now i cannot watch this thread anymore.



It should sell quickly enough at that price,
Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on September 12, 2006, 03:34:32 AM
My DamCham #08/24 arrived, so I decided to take a picture of the whole family.   :)  Here's my Bulkware family photo.... It's actually missing two Big Bulk Heads since I was too lazy to dig them out..  :D

(http://www.cybertool.org/bulkstuff.jpg)

And here's a picture of the big boy himself:  :thumbup:  Well done, Charlie, it looks absolutely beautiful!!

(http://www.cybertool.org/damcham8.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 12, 2006, 03:47:50 AM
Wow, with Grumpy, this makes 3 public DamCham sales in under 1 week.  Never saw that coming. :thinking:

Cold dead fingers.... :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tdurand on September 12, 2006, 03:59:43 AM
Wow, with Grumpy, this makes 3 public DamCham sales in under 1 week.  Never saw that coming. :thinking:


What's up with that? I thought these boys were going to be on lock down for a couple of months at least.

Someone convince me to buy one.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 12, 2006, 06:07:58 AM
sweet family pic, greg and you got #8 as well...   ;) :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lips on September 12, 2006, 06:16:54 AM
My DamCham #08/24 arrived, so I decided to take a picture of the whole family.   :)  Here's my Bulkware family photo.... It's actually missing two Big Bulk Heads since I was too lazy to dig them out..  :D


Nice

Is that a black LionHeart, I want it!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on September 12, 2006, 06:26:14 AM
#18/24 arrived safely a couple days ago. To say that it's the most beautiful light I have right now would be a serious understatement.  :thumbup: PC was down & have been pre-occupied with other issues to take or post any photos, maybe later.  :-[ A big thanks to Mr B & Bra' Bill too for the cool lanyard!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on September 12, 2006, 08:04:25 AM
It's a matched family set.... My black LionHeart, black LionCub and Damascus Chameleon are all #8..  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 12, 2006, 08:29:17 AM
Wow, with Grumpy, this makes 3 public DamCham sales in under 1 week.  Never saw that coming. :thinking:

Cold dead fingers.... :laughing7:

Grumpy sold his already too?  How much?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 12, 2006, 08:32:33 AM
#18/24 arrived safely a couple days ago. To say that it's the most beautiful light I have right now would be a serious understatement.  :thumbup:   :-[ A big thanks to Mr B & Bra' Bill too for the cool lanyard!  :thumbup:


Bill and I thank you most kindly, flashlight.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 12, 2006, 09:09:36 AM
#18/24 arrived safely a couple days ago. To say that it's the most beautiful light I have right now would be a serious understatement.  :thumbup: PC was down & have been pre-occupied with other issues to take or post any photos, maybe later.  :-[ A big thanks to Mr B & Bra' Bill too for the cool lanyard!  :thumbup:

OK, Cyril, no excuses.  You're a professional photographer and we MUST HAVE photos!!  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on September 12, 2006, 01:36:58 PM
Oh man. :puke:
Wasn't Grumpys voted most "Stunning" pattern. In one of Charlies pictures?
I'd like to know what that one went for!
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 12, 2006, 01:38:58 PM
Oh man. :puke:
Wasn't Grumpys voted most "Stunning" pattern. In one of Charlies pictures?
I'd like to know what that one went for!
Mike

Not sure if it sold yet.  I think he also wanted $900.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 12, 2006, 02:48:42 PM
charlesn is also selling the one he got from Benny for $700
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: charlesn on September 12, 2006, 06:04:13 PM
And my Dam Cham is now sold for $700. I almost certainly could have gotten more, especially with posted pics, but I was happy to just recoup my investment and give someone else a chance to own it at the same price.

Why did I sell? A few "unforeseen" reasons:

1) Weight. I didn't expect damascus steel to be quite this heavy, and it was clear to me that I'd never want to carry the light.

2) Color. I loved the look of the "woody" proto and that's what I was expecting to get. While the blue is unquestionably beautiful, I kept wishing it had turned out like the proto.

3) Maintenance. Damascus steel ain't titanium. In doing more reading about it, I realized that it requires maintenance to keep it from staining and/or fading. Not a lot of maintenance by any means, but more than Ti, which you can virtually ignore to no ill effect at all.

I suspect that 1 and 2 are the reasons why a few of these lights have been offered for sale already--of course, a $900 asking price is a pretty good incentive, too.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 12, 2006, 10:09:33 PM
Where is Grumpy's light being sold?  Not on here? :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Grumpy on September 12, 2006, 10:35:27 PM
I listed it here and shortly thereafter listed it at CPF with link to the original thread here where they could see pictures of the light and read all about it.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on September 13, 2006, 05:25:09 AM
Strange but I had a feeling that we would see a few of these on the secondary market. I said as much in a thread here a short time back.
Mine arrived today as planned. #25 of 24 is safely at home looking really cool. Wow! What a heavy flashlight. The special lanyard with the two skuls is really cool. I just realized that they glow in the dark. Neat. It would be cool to make these with tritium inserts.
I will post an image or two in a day or so. Damascus steel is a very interesting material. I am very happy to own such a large hunk of the stuff.
Yaesumofo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 13, 2006, 05:42:34 AM
To both James' -

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 13, 2006, 08:19:49 AM
Hoping my DamCHam would have touched down yesterday (Tuesday), but no such luck - maybe today!

Geo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 13, 2006, 08:58:30 AM
yours is surprisingly slow, geo. Guess the german customs are being their usual through self. Guess they might be done with their CE testing  in a months time or so...  8) ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 13, 2006, 09:15:11 AM
Mine isn't going through German customs - but due the holiday (US) last week, and how stuff gets to me, oh well - maybe today!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 13, 2006, 09:42:30 PM

Here's the deal on the Dam Cham.  I've pretty much gone WAY past the point of ne return on this thing, and have what I think is a better looking light as a result.  Starting out, it was sky blue, which was a little "soft" for this steel sabre .  Damasus should look more "seroius" somehow...  So I saw Eric's post about the UV, and decided to "hit it" with my UV Aleph 19 and see what. Well, turns out EricMack was just joking - But - guess what?  It actually did exactly what he said - turned the blue areas a brownish/grey after a 10 -15 second exposure, and charcoal black after maybe 30-40.  I suspect sunlight would work just as well, if not better.  Surprised the heck out of Eric when I told him "thanks for the tip"! LOL.

So that was the first day I had it.  Then I saw all this talk about etching... Now keep in mind, the "factory" blue is just flame-fired... a butane torch for 15-30 seconds, and is really a very light surface coating only.  How light?  Well, after I turned the blue to black (only the broad areas changed - not the thin stripes), i decided to rub it down with 12000 grit cloth and a little 0000 grade steel wool.  Well, after a few "turns", it became apparent that the flame finish blue (now charcoal) was going to be history pretty soon. So... out came the Sushi Vinegar!  Yes, Sushi Vinegar.  A little warm rice vinegar on a paper towel just wiped *all* the color off like an eraser on a a blackboard in about 2 seconds flat! 

So, I've now we're down to a DamCham comprised of two metals - one very reactive steel, another essentially inert (stainless)... a silvery tone-on-tone look.  From 10 feet, it could have been a Ti Cham.  Feels really smooth, and upon inspection, you can see the "wood grain"-like patterning... but the piece didn't "stand out" visually.  Hmmmm.  What to do?

Time for a trip to my local Gunshop for a tube of Birchwood-Casey Insta-Blue paste (or something like that).  Put on some latex gloves... a little dab (after a good going over with 0000 steel wool first), and rub-a-dub-dub...  rinse, steel wool, do it again... and WOW. 

The "reactive" metal parts are now a deep gunmetal grey, and the stainless parts (the "stripes" in the damascus) are bright silver.  The bluing protects the surface, and the piece is now non-reactive, to fingerprints or UV light, and looks as "serious" as it feels.

By the way - all the "work" was done with the light fully assembled and working, with threads well lubed and tight.  No disassembly required.

YMMV of course, but it sure worked for me.  But don't sue me if yours melts in your hands!  I'm between Digicams right now, so no pics unfortunately... Of course, by the time I get a new one, it may look totally different!

Cheers,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 13, 2006, 09:58:13 PM
:thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 13, 2006, 10:09:04 PM
:thinking:

:rotflmao:

I love it when the bossman posts that thinking emoticon reply! Good stuff.

Oh and Daniel, you need to borrow a camera, soon!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 13, 2006, 10:10:57 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on September 13, 2006, 10:12:40 PM
Now this being the case I would be curious to know the method of heat treating. I have a small lab size tube furnace that can likely fit four dammy's at a crack this furnace is programable to 1100 F. I can place dammy inside a quartz tube, and add some argon during a staged heat treat. Or perhaps add a slightly reactive gas (air or O2) mixture? Or add some nitrate salts? Any inputs?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 14, 2006, 12:04:41 AM
Very interesting!!!!  Post pics, dang it!!!!!   >:(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: nemul on September 14, 2006, 02:17:12 AM
that post is worthless without pics! lol j/k
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on September 14, 2006, 03:41:44 AM
Hmmmm... I just tried shining my QIII UV (Cree UV LED, same as Aleph19) on my DamCham for 30 seconds..... No reaction or change to the color whatsoever...  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 14, 2006, 08:12:32 AM
Maybe RT has the balsa wood version coated in that UV reactive paint....  That is why the color came off with the vinegar?

PICTURES!  Go to Walmart and "test drive" a camera!

Here you guys are making sushi with your DamChams, and I am still waiting!  HMMMPF!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 14, 2006, 08:24:03 AM

wow, got another USPS package today. Might it be another damcham???  8)







no, damn, it just a brass body for the LC... ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 14, 2006, 12:01:47 PM
FG, dont let Troy hear you talk about the Brass Cub!  :o
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 15, 2006, 12:02:39 AM
You the man Charlie, thanks for shipping a lil ring Priority!  got her working!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 15, 2006, 01:15:18 AM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 15, 2006, 02:09:16 AM

wow, got another USPS package today. Might it be another damcham???  8)

no, damn, it just a brass body for the LC... ;)

What the...S'CUSE ME?  Did you say just a brass Cub?!?  Blasphemy! Aye, make 'im walk zee plank, Brandon.  :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 15, 2006, 02:48:45 AM
The DamCham is gotta be the sweetest light I own.  When it showed up I instantly fell in love with it.  :love10: :love4: :love7:

But the more days that go by, the more i like it, especially now that mine works!!!!   :love9: :munky2:

Its amazing how the metal is folded and colored, etc.  I am anxiously awating pics of the DamChams that havent landed yet and how they will look.  There probably wont be that many lights made in Damascus again, I am dam proud to own one.  I just cant put this thing down, almost time for another wax job!  :thumbup:

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 15, 2006, 02:49:45 AM
The DamCham is gotta be the sweetest light I own.  When it showed up I instantly fell in love with it.  :love10: :love4: :love7:

But the more days that go by, the more i like it, especially now that mine works!!!!   :love9: :munky2:

Its amazing how the metal is folded and colored, etc.  I am anxiously awating pics of the DamChams that havent landed yet and how they will look.  There probably wont be that many lights made in Damascus again, I am dam proud to own one.  I just cant put this thing down, almost time for another wax job!  :thumbup:



Uh, Brandon, please, not in public.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Nedtheshred on September 15, 2006, 03:26:10 AM
I can't put mine away either.
It IS the most awesomous light.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on September 15, 2006, 04:58:07 AM
Mine is too damn heavy to carry all the time. My arm is tired. I can't wait to see what .....
whoops I can't say that!
Anyway I am researching care of this material. In the process I am learning a whole lot about it.
A wax job? I don't know about all of that. I do know that the material is very interesting and the finish is delicate.
Have any of you guys heard of Japanese Choji Clove Oil ? I understand that this is a fine protectant of damascus type of material. Maybe a group buy of the stuff is in order.
Yaesumofo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on September 15, 2006, 05:54:46 AM
Checking in is #14 of 24 or 25 or 26 is it??  Regardless,  Thanks Charlie for another fine unique light!  And thanks also to Braddah Bill for the lanyard.  I love the heft of this light.  With this weight, this light has "built in protection"... just heave it at an intruder, after blinding him with it!  The color is truly Chameleon. Outside in the sunlight it's a purdy blue hue and indoors it appears more steel gray. I've used Sentry Tuf-Cloth on all my Damascus knives with good success, so the Dam Cham gets a wipe down ever other day.  Here is my proof of purchase.  Nice job, what's next?  ;)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/rykam/IMG_3056.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/rykam/IMG_2963.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 15, 2006, 08:25:01 AM
Whoooboy, purdy lite ya got there, Are-Pee'in...oops, I meant em - EM - as in Ar-Pee-EM ! :evil6: :naughty: :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 15, 2006, 09:14:08 AM
:crossingfingers:

Hope mine comes today!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 15, 2006, 09:51:58 AM
Gosh Geo, not to get your hopes down (or up?) but remember how long it took last time when I sent you something from Hawaii?  Hope that isn't the case This time my friend!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 15, 2006, 10:06:06 AM
:crossingfingers:

Hope mine comes today!

mine too, buddy... :(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on September 15, 2006, 02:04:32 PM
Here are a couple of pictures of mine (some post-processing done to compensate for the hasty manner in which they were taken & which do no justice at all to this beautifully awesome light! :( ). They really cool thing about the DamCham is when you open it up & see the all the groovy pattern lines & color hues run onto the inside the tubes!  :thumbup: One wierd thing I did notice as well though was when I shine another LED light at it, the coloration seems to appear gray instead of blue/silver-toned.  :o

(http://www.pbase.com/cyrilng/image/66887713/large.jpg)
With blue GID button.

(http://www.pbase.com/cyrilng/image/66887715/medium.jpg)(http://www.pbase.com/cyrilng/image/66887714/medium.jpg)
With clear GID button.                                                  With red button.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 15, 2006, 02:13:22 PM
WOWOWOWOW!!!!  Great photos guys!!!  Can't wait until I get mine!


Where do you get the different buttons?


Donald
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 15, 2006, 02:23:04 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 15, 2006, 02:26:49 PM
Thanks, Codey!   :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Rudi on September 15, 2006, 03:55:23 PM
Why did I sell? A few "unforeseen" reasons:
1) Weight. I didn't expect damascus steel to be quite this heavy, and it was clear to me that I'd never want to carry the light.

3) Maintenance. Damascus steel ain't titanium. In doing more reading about it, I realized that it requires maintenance to keep it from staining and/or fading. Not a lot of maintenance by any means, but more than Ti, which you can virtually ignore to no ill effect at all.

Has anybody weighed theirs yet? I've been curious about the weight ever since the initial announcement. This might well be among the least expensive of custom lights, on a $/oz basis.

Camelia oil (which is camelia-scented fish oil) is recommended to prevent steel from staining. It is not expensive.
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 15, 2006, 04:21:30 PM
Great pics, Cyril!  Was hoping to see some of those, since you're a professional photographer.  Thanks for the shots!  Looking forward to getting mine, but it will be the last one to be delivered.  :'(
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Post by: tonyd on September 15, 2006, 04:25:04 PM
Rudi read back a few pages I believe I weighed mine in with Battery at 292grams.
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Post by: Geologist on September 15, 2006, 04:42:20 PM
TOUCHDOWN !!!!!!!!!!

# 7 Arrived today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Woohoo!

The Tritium Capsule was broken upon arrival :(  When cleaning just to the side of the trit slot, I realized I was removing some of the blue color with the polishing stuff I had... 


Don't have any special stuff yet, I wiped it with a clean towel - not sure if I should oil it with "3 in 1" or "WD40"?  Only wax I have at the moment is auto wax - someone had mentioned bowling ball wax - well I am in close proximity to a gun shop and a bowling alley.....  We shall see on that front....

Gonna have to get with the Mr. B about the tritium.

Otherwise, the DamCHam is gorgeous and very heavy.  The DamCham also doubles as a flashlight which I remembered after about an hour of playing with it!

Thanks Mr. B - pm on the way when I have time - too much work, but I am on the 48 hour countdown to VACATION!
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Post by: Kenster on September 15, 2006, 04:55:15 PM
Hey Geo, glad to hear you received yours but bummer a bout the Trit. :( Hope Mr B can fix you up.  :)

I forgot to put a battery in mine for a while too! :-[

But wait! No pics? :o
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Post by: Geologist on September 15, 2006, 05:52:11 PM
I just got it and it is dark!  Give me a bit now that all the lights are back home!  Time for a family portrait!
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 15, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
Oooh!  Let me grab a bowl of popcorn and get situated for Geo's photo show!   :thumbup:
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Post by: Codeman on September 15, 2006, 08:18:33 PM
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 16, 2006, 12:50:42 AM
Here are a couple of pictures of mine (some post-processing done to compensate for the hasty manner in which they were taken & which do no justice at all to this beautifully awesome light! :( ). They really cool thing about the DamCham is when you open it up & see the all the groovy pattern lines & color hues run onto the inside the tubes!  :thumbup: One wierd thing I did notice as well though was when I shine another LED light at it, the coloration seems to appear gray instead of blue/silver-toned.  :o

(http://www.pbase.com/cyrilng/image/66887713/large.jpg)
With blue GID button.

(http://www.pbase.com/cyrilng/image/66887715/medium.jpg)(http://www.pbase.com/cyrilng/image/66887714/medium.jpg)
With clear GID button.                                                  With red button.


Whoa flashlight, those are some ultra clear, beautifully colored pictures - way better than mine!  What camera did you use? :icon_scratch:


flashgreenie I am a-waitin' and a-hopin' along with ya...
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 16, 2006, 12:52:42 AM
Geo, I will get a trit on its way to you soon.  Soon as I get some in...:confused5:
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Post by: Kenster on September 16, 2006, 02:41:22 AM
Flashlight, your photos are............. well just :hugme:

Geo, flashlight has set a high standard for Dam Cham pics.  8) But I`m rooting for you to set a new one with your photo shoot! :thumbup:
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 16, 2006, 02:48:14 AM
 :happy1:  Waiting for the Geo family slide show.
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Post by: RPM on September 16, 2006, 03:06:25 AM
 :clock:  Me too!  Bring 'em
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 16, 2006, 06:15:05 AM
My, my, my, what competitive spirit just between photographs (and this not even coming from the photographers themselves) - almost as though we all want to see the best pics we can for - uh, saving to our 'puters for wallpaper...? :evil6:
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Post by: Geologist on September 16, 2006, 08:16:11 AM
I forgot to mention last night-

TWO BIG THUMBS UP for BraddahBill for some EXCELLENT lanyard work!  Top notch!
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 16, 2006, 11:49:19 AM
Can't wait to see them.  BraddahBill is a lanyard god and I'm sure they look great.  Charlie, my DC body is on the way back to you for final assembly.  :thumbup:
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Post by: EricMack on September 16, 2006, 12:51:33 PM
Can't wait to see them.  BraddahBill is a lanyard god and I'm sure they look great.  Charlie, my DC body is on the way back to you for final assembly.  :thumbup:

Ditto  :thumbup:
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Post by: flashlight on September 16, 2006, 03:53:51 PM
Charlie, Troy, Kenster, WP, thanks for the kind words but I'm ashamed to say those were just simply taken in a small light tent with just one on-camera flash using my out-dated & cranky Nikon D100 & which required a bit of post-processing to correct several shortcomings.  :rolleye: I'm not being humble when I say this & that I've seen some much better taken photos here.  :thumbup:

C'mon Geo show us the goods!  ;)

I have to go wipe down my DamCham #18 with Sentry Marine TufCloth, Tuf Glide or Boeshield T-9 or all of the above & put it back safely in my climate & humidity controlled electric dry cabinet  after which I have to source some flower-scented fishy oil, Japanese Clove Oil or bowling ball wax!  :o
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 16, 2006, 04:04:01 PM
Can't wait to see them.  BraddahBill is a lanyard god and I'm sure they look great.  Charlie, my DC body is on the way back to you for final assembly.  :thumbup:

Can't wait to see them.  BraddahBill is a lanyard god and I'm sure they look great.  Charlie, my DC body is on the way back to you for final assembly.  :thumbup:

Ditto  :thumbup:


Dang it guys, I'm already all outta lanyards (while sliding own DamCham - with seven beautifully handmade lanyards all attached to it - behind him)...so, would some dental floss do?  Mint waxed, even...:evil6:
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Post by: flashlight on September 16, 2006, 04:16:07 PM

Here's the deal on the Dam Cham.  I've pretty much gone WAY past the point of ne return on this thing, and have what I think is a better looking light as a result.  Starting out, it was sky blue, which was a little "soft" for this steel sabre .  Damasus should look more "seroius" somehow...  So I saw Eric's post about the UV, and decided to "hit it" with my UV Aleph 19 and see what. Well, turns out EricMack was just joking - But - guess what?  It actually did exactly what he said - turned the blue areas a brownish/grey after a 10 -15 second exposure, and charcoal black after maybe 30-40.  I suspect sunlight would work just as well, if not better.  Surprised the heck out of Eric when I told him "thanks for the tip"! LOL.

So that was the first day I had it.  Then I saw all this talk about etching... Now keep in mind, the "factory" blue is just flame-fired... a butane torch for 15-30 seconds, and is really a very light surface coating only.  How light?  Well, after I turned the blue to black (only the broad areas changed - not the thin stripes), i decided to rub it down with 12000 grit cloth and a little 0000 grade steel wool.  Well, after a few "turns", it became apparent that the flame finish blue (now charcoal) was going to be history pretty soon. So... out came the Sushi Vinegar!  Yes, Sushi Vinegar.  A little warm rice vinegar on a paper towel just wiped *all* the color off like an eraser on a a blackboard in about 2 seconds flat! 

So, I've now we're down to a DamCham comprised of two metals - one very reactive steel, another essentially inert (stainless)... a silvery tone-on-tone look.  From 10 feet, it could have been a Ti Cham.  Feels really smooth, and upon inspection, you can see the "wood grain"-like patterning... but the piece didn't "stand out" visually.  Hmmmm.  What to do?

Time for a trip to my local Gunshop for a tube of Birchwood-Casey Insta-Blue paste (or something like that).  Put on some latex gloves... a little dab (after a good going over with 0000 steel wool first), and rub-a-dub-dub...  rinse, steel wool, do it again... and WOW. 

The "reactive" metal parts are now a deep gunmetal grey, and the stainless parts (the "stripes" in the damascus) are bright silver.  The bluing protects the surface, and the piece is now non-reactive, to fingerprints or UV light, and looks as "serious" as it feels.

By the way - all the "work" was done with the light fully assembled and working, with threads well lubed and tight.  No disassembly required.

YMMV of course, but it sure worked for me.  But don't sue me if yours melts in your hands!  I'm between Digicams right now, so no pics unfortunately... Of course, by the time I get a new one, it may look totally different!

Cheers,

RT,

Does yours look like this now?  :P

(http://www.pbase.com/cyrilng/image/66944837/medium.jpg)
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Post by: EricMack on September 16, 2006, 06:51:23 PM
Can't wait to see them.  BraddahBill is a lanyard god and I'm sure they look great.  Charlie, my DC body is on the way back to you for final assembly.  :thumbup:

Can't wait to see them.  BraddahBill is a lanyard god and I'm sure they look great.  Charlie, my DC body is on the way back to you for final assembly.  :thumbup:

Ditto  :thumbup:


Dang it guys, I'm already all outta lanyards (while sliding own DamCham - with seven beautifully handmade lanyards all attached to it - behind him)...so, would some dental floss do?  Mint waxed, even...:evil6:

 :rolleye:  Long as it hain't been near YOUR gums...
 :tongue2:
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Post by: Geologist on September 16, 2006, 09:16:19 PM
I so paranoid about corrosion right now - Just hit my Chammie with a fine coat of oil - got much darker - kinda fun - the light is a different color every day!
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 16, 2006, 09:46:51 PM
Oh, so you got your DC already?  Cool.  :thumbup:
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Post by: regentag on September 16, 2006, 09:49:17 PM
RT,

Does yours look like this now?  :P

(http://www.pbase.com/cyrilng/image/66944837/medium.jpg)

No.

You's is pretty natty though, with its new PhotoShop finish.

I did manage to snag a D200 from a friend, so photos of my interpretation of a Damascus Chameleon will be posted shortly (as soon as a finish the third polish/reblue).

It would be neat to have another "group photo" (like Charlie's) taken.  Obviously, we'd have to photoshop it together (let's agree on a background...) but it would be cool to see how they all came out, now that many of them have changed their colors (how chameleon-like).

Cheers,
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Post by: Geologist on September 16, 2006, 09:54:45 PM
:popcorn:

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Post by: tonyd on September 17, 2006, 02:49:34 AM
 :yawn:
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 17, 2006, 04:02:25 AM
Maybe I should take the hour drive and take a pic of Daniels Damn Cham myself!  :alien:
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 17, 2006, 04:06:13 AM
 :sad1:
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Post by: regentag on September 17, 2006, 04:24:06 AM
Pictures...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Damascus/DSC_0002.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Damascus/DSC_0010-2.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Damascus/DSC_0012.jpg)

I'm not quite done with her yet... going to do the 0000 wool and another coat of blue goo to get a darker/deeper finish still.

Surprisingly, the photos are pretty much representative of what my DamCham looks like right now.
Shot outdoors handheld (note the camera shake) using my new "striped" tent (note the nifty reflections).
I think a red button would "jazz" this particular DamCham up a bit. Have to see if the 'Dot Kids' have any in stock :)

The long tube on the Ti 'Cub is Jochen's, of course - and a perfect fit for 18500/PILA cells.

The blade is a 'small' Sebenza.  Chris was kind enough to scribe his John Hancock on the blade.

Cheers,
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 17, 2006, 04:26:11 AM
Reg, you're killin' me with that small Sebbie.  You know that, don't ya?  >:(
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 17, 2006, 04:27:04 AM
BTW, I see you got your new ArsMachina Ti tube.  Nice!
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 17, 2006, 05:16:49 AM
Hmmm, it's kind of a subtle coloration, but elegant in a refined sort of way.  And one more coat oughta do it. :naughty:

Nice work Regentag, nice work indeed...:thumbsup:
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 17, 2006, 05:20:12 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing...

Hey, Troy!  Are you serious about the Sebbie?  I have an unused "new style" one, although it's a full sizer.  Then again for a full-size guy like yerself, it just might be perfect...:evil6:
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Post by: flashlight on September 17, 2006, 06:41:07 AM
Dang, Regentag, you've got a better set-up than me now  :o Wish I could afford a D200.. (maybe if I sell my D100 and my DamCham...  :thinking:) Boy you weren't kidding about the GM color on your DC now.  :o I think I prefer mine blue still.  :-[

Yeah, and I agree with what Troy said about the small Sebbie too... it's on my long wish list.
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Post by: regentag on September 17, 2006, 11:45:26 PM
One more coat, two more shots...

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Damascus/DSC_0024.jpg)

And for something completely different...

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Damascus/DSC_0025-1.jpg)

Not sure what happened on that one - must have had the (borrowed) camera set on "Warhol" mode.
Might make a nice Avatar/Cellphone background, though.

Cheers,
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Post by: flashlight on September 18, 2006, 03:34:11 AM
RT, looks like you've about completely rubbed off the special DamCham coating & now you've got just a plain ol' steel Chameleon....  :P
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Post by: regentag on September 18, 2006, 05:24:00 AM
Well - yes and no. 

Depends on what you call "plain ol' steel", I guess.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Knives/DSC02682.jpg)

Cheers,
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 18, 2006, 12:41:26 PM
Well, I, for one, think it looks sweeeeeet!
Nice job, Reg!

It's great to know that this metal can be customized/personalized like this!  I can't think of any other metal (for a flashlight) that you can do this to without sending it to an anodizer.

Awesome!


 :thumbup: Donald
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Post by: Geologist on September 18, 2006, 08:11:52 PM
Gonna show ya all - where is that can of DOT orange spray paint!?!
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Post by: BigHonu on September 18, 2006, 11:37:13 PM
Regentag,

That is a spectacular job!
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 19, 2006, 02:16:07 AM
My turn!!!! My turn!!!!  My Dam-Chams have arrived!

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/16/damchamsbg3.jpg)

Awesome!!

 :thumbup: Donald
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 19, 2006, 02:24:23 AM
Wow Wave-y, to think you can now do what even I myself cannot - that is, taking pictures of two different-colored DamChams! :thinking:
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 19, 2006, 02:27:37 AM
Its amazing what Photoshop can do!

Photoshop......   :thinking:
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Post by: BraddahBill on September 19, 2006, 02:55:18 AM
LOL........ya nut.  :thumbup:


Bill


Its amazing what Photoshop can do!

Photoshop......   :thinking:
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Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 19, 2006, 06:47:54 AM
hey!!! where is the tritium for the brown dam cham??? ;)
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Post by: Geologist on September 19, 2006, 09:36:10 AM
Decisions Decisions!  What color will YOUR DamCHam be????
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Post by: EricMack on September 19, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
hey!!! where is the tritium for the brown dam cham??? ;)

Awesome, Wave!  Glad to see both arrived safely, but we need more pics!!  :thumbup:

Protos do not have trit slots nor engraving on the bottom...  You can tell by the color anyway  ;)
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Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 19, 2006, 11:42:58 AM
oh right...  :( :D   its nice though...
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Post by: Yaesumofo on September 20, 2006, 02:47:15 AM
Have we seen all the Dam-Chams in their glory yet?
Personally mine is still blue. Will it stay stay blue forever? I don't know. We will see.
I like the steel grey look very much. There is something industrial and organic in it that comes out in those greys.
Damascus is such an interesting material.

Yaesumofo
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 20, 2006, 03:45:03 AM
Have we seen all the Dam-Chams in their glory yet?


No, we haven't.  Give it a week or so and you will seem damascus like few have ever seen before.  ;)  None of the pics shown thus far will hold a candle (pun intended) to it.
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 20, 2006, 03:49:13 AM
Have we seen all the Dam-Chams in their glory yet?


No, we haven't.  Give it a week or so and you will seem damascus like few have ever seen before.  ;)  None of the pics shown thus far will hold a candle (pun intended) to it.

:happy1: :occasion18:
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 20, 2006, 04:07:43 AM
Have we seen all the Dam-Chams in their glory yet?


No, we haven't.  Give it a week or so and you will seem damascus like few have ever seen before.  ;)  None of the pics shown thus far will hold a candle (pun intended) to it.


Really?  That's news to me...:naughty:
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 20, 2006, 04:11:38 AM
Have we seen all the Dam-Chams in their glory yet?


No, we haven't.  Give it a week or so and you will seem damascus like few have ever seen before.  ;)  None of the pics shown thus far will hold a candle (pun intended) to it.


Really?  That's news to me...:naughty:

Ha!  Sure.  Sure.  You'll be the first outside of one other person to see these in person.
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 20, 2006, 04:17:27 AM
OHH!!!  THAT one (or two)...:evil6:
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Post by: Yaesumofo on September 20, 2006, 06:40:49 AM
Man you guys really now how to take the bait hook line and sinker. Or is that stinker?
I do look forward to seeing these examples.
We have allready seen demascus as it has never seen before in the form of the Dam-Cham.
So we are going to break even more new ground are we?
Can't wait.
Yaesumofo
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Post by: flashlight on September 20, 2006, 07:06:01 AM
OHH!!!  THAT one (or two)...:evil6:

One's pink & the other one's purple right? Or if you prefer - fuschia & lavender.  :P
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Post by: Geologist on September 20, 2006, 07:47:39 AM
:popcorn:

Maybe Troy had it coated in Ti - or just used the spray paint again like on those protos....
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Post by: Codeman on September 20, 2006, 12:17:05 PM
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 20, 2006, 12:18:42 PM
You fellas laugh all you want, but I assure you that your jaws WILL drop when you see these.  But no pics for at least another week.  ;)
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Post by: Codeman on September 20, 2006, 12:30:42 PM
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Post by: MR Bulk on September 20, 2006, 10:04:57 PM
Actually I have at least one pic of the new process right NOW.  But I do have my price and might be convinced not to show it yet...:naughty:
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 20, 2006, 10:44:25 PM
Actually I have at least one pic of the new process right NOW.  But I do have my price and might be convinced not to show it yet...:naughty:

Come on Capn'!!  You cant do us like that! 

I bet they are gonna be orange or something crazy?  Maybe orange and blue.... :naughty:

Pics please!
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 21, 2006, 04:47:59 AM
We want to capture high quality photos the first time out of the blocks.  So when Charlie has these babes fully built out and back in our paws we'll show 'em off in all their glory.  :D
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Post by: Codeman on September 21, 2006, 09:10:49 PM
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Post by: regentag on September 21, 2006, 09:57:54 PM
Have we seen all the Dam-Chams in their glory yet?


No, we haven't.  Give it a week or so and you will seem damascus like few have ever seen before.  ;)  None of the pics shown thus far will hold a candle (pun intended) to it.


.... obviously, you haven't seen my latest incarnation. 

The hanging gardens of Babylon pale by comparison!

Just wait 'til I get my new camera!
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 21, 2006, 10:28:06 PM
Have we seen all the Dam-Chams in their glory yet?


No, we haven't.  Give it a week or so and you will see damascus like few have ever seen before.  ;)  None of the pics shown thus far will hold a candle (pun intended) to it.




.... obviously, you haven't seen my latest incarnation. 

The hanging gardens of Babylon pale by comparison!

Just wait 'til I get my new camera!

Actually, Reg, I have.  And I'll say again: soon you will see damascus like few have ever seen before.   ;)
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Post by: RPM on September 22, 2006, 12:02:53 AM
 :dontknow: :dontknow:
Have we seen all the Dam-Chams in their glory yet?


No, we haven't.  Give it a week or so and you will see damascus like few have ever seen before.  ;)  None of the pics shown thus far will hold a candle (pun intended) to it.




.... obviously, you haven't seen my latest incarnation. 

The hanging gardens of Babylon pale by comparison!

Just wait 'til I get my new camera!

Actually, Reg, I have.  And I'll say again: soon you will see damascus like few have ever seen before.   ;)

You're killing us mere mortals!  What on earth did you do to the Dam thing??  :dontknow:

Give us a hint  :thinking:
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Post by: EricMack on September 22, 2006, 12:10:16 AM
Relax.  All in good time...  :D
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Post by: regentag on September 22, 2006, 12:18:10 AM
Actually, Reg, I have.  And I'll say again: soon you will see damascus like few have ever seen before.   ;)

How is that possible???  ...When even I haven't!

We get to play every night, you see...

Now, honestly - can you say that about your dam ?
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 01:11:18 AM
Relax.  All in good time...  :D

 :rotflmao:  Thank you, Eric.  ;)
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Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 22, 2006, 01:14:07 AM
Is it going to look as good as your new Avatar, Troy?  Only without the clothes?
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Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 01:17:06 AM
Is it going to look as good as your new Avatar, Troy?  Only without the clothes?

Not quite, Donald, not quite.  :laughing7:
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Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 22, 2006, 01:27:48 AM
And I'll say again: soon you will see damascus like few have ever seen before.   ;)

*If* we other Damcham owners like what we see, could we use the same route you guys took?  A lil Dissasembly, a bath, or sauna or whatever, then reassembly?

Inquiring minds want to know....

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 02:37:08 AM
And I'll say again: soon you will see damascus like few have ever seen before.   ;)

*If* we other Damcham owners like what we see, could we use the same route you guys took?  A lil Dissasembly, a bath, or sauna or whatever, then reassembly?

Inquiring minds want to know....



First of all, Brandon, "If" isn't possible.  It's a guaranteed "when."  Second, that decision will be the sole decision of one man, who shall at this moment remain nameless.  You can think of him as sort of a High Plains Drifter of the flashlight world.  You remember the famous line: (midget sheriff): "what did ya say your name was, mister?"  (The drifter, cooly blowing out his cigar smoke): "I didn't."   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 22, 2006, 02:47:45 AM
I suspect your DamCham(s) are in the hands of the resident Damascus expert here at F-F, OspreyGuy right?

I'll see your "when" that shot my *If* and raise you by a *perhaps*.... :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 22, 2006, 02:48:55 AM
The suspense is killing me.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 22, 2006, 03:03:00 AM
Who, me???   :hello:


:whip2:


:violent5:



 :naughty:


Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 22, 2006, 03:11:08 AM
Who, me???   :hello:


:whip2:


:violent5:



 :naughty:




Told ya!   Wasnt that hard to guess!  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 03:20:03 AM
I see that The Drifter has divulged himself upon us.  :laughing7:  Well, he and I and Eric all have agreed to wait until final assembly before showing quality photos.  Only the three of us, and now Charlie, have actually SEEN these stunners.  And it's all because of The Drifter.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 22, 2006, 03:35:17 AM
Now that the cat is partially out of the bag...

Actually, Troy and Eric have yet to see the lights in person...all they've seen so far is a couple of pics that I shot before sending them on to Charlie.  And as I've explained to the guys...my photography skills don't do justice to the final finish on the lights.  I strongly suspect that if they liked what they saw in the pics they're gonna love the lights.  ;)

I sent the Dam Chams out Monday via Priority Mail to Charlie, for final assembly...He should have them by now...I'm waiting to hear from him (I always worry, a lot, whenever I ship out my knives. It's no different with these lights  Until I recieve confirmation from the customer that my work has arrived safely on their end, I tend to stress quite a bit).


Dennis Greenbaum  8)

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 03:39:23 AM
Dennis' work is extraordinary.  And, while many are familiar with the beauty of damascus steel in general, no one has seen a damascus flashlight brought out to its fullest potential.  I don't mean to over-pump it (though it has been a blast teasing Regentag  :evil6:), but I am really pleased and honored to have had a chance for Dennis to do his magic.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 22, 2006, 03:47:33 AM
I put in a lot more work on these than I originally intended...but then the final outcome was far more satisfiying than I expected. 

In spite of the extra elbow grease, it was a very nice change of pace...and a learning experience to boot...I appreciate being asked by Eric and Troy.

During the course of my work on these I experimented with a few new tricks and I am truly delighted with the outcome.  Let me just say that in the end this may be the nicest looking finish that I've achieved with damascus to date.  :D


Dennis
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 03:53:02 AM
Well, there ya go.  From the horse's mouth.   :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 22, 2006, 06:34:32 AM
Speaking of over-pumping... who is that in your avatar these days?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 11:17:55 AM
That, Daniel, is the knock-down, drag-out sensation Scarlett Johansson.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 22, 2006, 11:21:18 AM
oh, thats who it is.  ;)  Everytime I try to concentrate at your avatar, my eyes inexplicably only manage to see the bottom half of the pic clearly.   :o  So, Eva is busy holding marshmellows??
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 22, 2006, 11:41:37 AM
I put in a lot more work on these than I originally intended...but then the final outcome was far more satisfiying than I expected. 

In spite of the extra elbow grease, it was a very nice change of pace...and a learning experience to boot...I appreciate being asked by Eric and Troy.

During the course of my work on these I experimented with a few new tricks and I am truly delighted with the outcome.  Let me just say that in the end this may be the nicest looking finish that I've achieved with damascus to date.  :D


Dennis

I for one can't wait to see these.  ;)  I know Dennis killed himself over these, and while the techniques used can also be seen in his incredible book on custom knives, just like the Dam Cham itself, it will be a first on a custom light.  The results are very, very nice.  It has been my privledge to have Dennis be willing to work on these, and I hope he doesn't mind my saying he's a pretty good Joe  :thumbsup:  Someday I hope to be fortunate enough to own one of his unbelievable knives...

Thanks again, Dennis, for making these so dam nice!  :D :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 22, 2006, 12:17:13 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 12:22:10 PM
oh, thats who it is.  ;)  Everytime I try to concentrate at your avatar, my eyes inexplicably only manage to see the bottom half of the pic clearly.   :o  So, Eva is busy holding marshmellows??

Well, I THOUHT she was, bu then the darn alarm clock went off! :'(

 :rotflmao: :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 22, 2006, 05:22:44 PM
I sent the Dam Chams out Monday via Priority Mail to Charlie, for final assembly...He should have them by now...I'm waiting to hear from him.




And I have replied... :confused1: :cussing: :confused5: :confused2:  :sad1: :sad2: :sad11: :protest: :sad7: :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 22, 2006, 05:35:19 PM
hmmm.....those emotion icons don't look reassuring.....

I guess US Postal Service is having a flashaholic frenzy over these lights...... :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 22, 2006, 06:04:13 PM
Thanks Charlie for getting back so promptly. 

Alas the Dam Chams have yet to arrive on Charlie's end.  We were sorta wondering out loud if the Post Office might have these held up after scanning the package and finding two, very heavy, somewhat odd-shaped, metal cylinders...Perhaps some sort of new mini-bombs en route to one of those infamous Hawaiian terrorists?  :dontknow:


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 22, 2006, 06:49:14 PM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 22, 2006, 08:06:08 PM
:popcorn:

:GULP: :OhBoy:

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 10:14:53 PM
Dennis, I told you not to put Una Bomber as your return address.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 22, 2006, 10:18:27 PM
Dennis, I told you not to put Una Bomber as your return address.

Yeah, its never good when you have this pic on your Return Address sticker: (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/Whooeydog/200px-Unabomber-sketch.png)

:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 22, 2006, 10:20:58 PM
Charlie, you'd better watch it.  Just as soon as The Dog gets out of that Mexican jail, he's comin' after you for cavortin' with the Unabomber.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on September 23, 2006, 12:17:18 AM
Sorry the Dog has been out for a week. Lets get some pertinent info on heat treat and time, temperture and turbulence (sorry were not incinerating here). Would like to know so that I could propose refiring these little beasts.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on September 23, 2006, 12:59:19 AM
Sorry the Dog has been out for a week. Lets get some pertinent info on heat treat and time, temperture and turbulence (sorry were not incinerating here). Would like to know so that I could propose refiring these little beasts.

What he said! :popcorn: 

Seems that half the enjoyment of having this Chameleon is going to be seeing how evryone can change its skin. :color:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 23, 2006, 03:44:19 PM
Yep, there seems to be a lot one can do to bring out the full palate of colors with damascus.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 23, 2006, 05:34:51 PM
I am not sure the treatment on these is heat related...that's all I can say for now, lest they kill meh!

Oh and BTW, I did get a small Priority Mail box yesterday, but sitting alongside a pile of other stuff, will pick through it tonight after I get done with work...:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 23, 2006, 06:20:53 PM
Quote
Oh and BTW, I did get a small Priority Mail box yesterday, but sitting alongside a pile of other stuff, will pick through it tonight after I get done with work...

 :woot:


BTW: Charlie-After their long trip to the other side of the world, try giving the DC's a nice wipe-down with the enclosed polishing cloth.  It'll really bring out the lustre and further enhance the color.  Oh...and the cloth is on me (how about the color of that cloth...cool eh?  Goes with the DC's)  ;)





 :popcorn:





Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 23, 2006, 06:27:05 PM
Regarding the treatment...

I will expain as best I can....but not until after the DC's have been unveiled.

 :toothy1:


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 23, 2006, 06:27:54 PM
Yeah baby.  :headbang:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 23, 2006, 11:42:21 PM
Yep, there seems to be a lot one can do to bring out the full palate of colors with damascus.

... or not.  Like colorizing Citizen Kane, some things are best let alone in monochrome.
On the other hand, like a coloring book... some things are incomplete without a splash of color.

Exemplum gratis:

(http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/babybrazil/2861-ring-bikini-250x400.jpg)   (http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/babybrazil/T0509-C0502-Bikini-White-F-L.jpg)

There is no arguing with matters of taste.

Cheers,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 23, 2006, 11:54:30 PM
HOLY cow! There's the perfect reason to: get 'em both!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on September 24, 2006, 12:09:53 AM
Regentag, You sure know how to get a point across to some one. :thumbup:  You speak and I wil listen! :notworthy:

Well, as long as there are pics included with the lesson!   :naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 24, 2006, 12:50:48 AM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 24, 2006, 01:30:34 AM
That has got to be one of the hottest chicks I've ever seen! :drool:  :read:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 24, 2006, 01:48:58 AM
Which one?

Note that the one on the left is "etched", whereas the one on the right is simply heat treated. 

Notice how the etching, while it reveals quite a bit of detail, does tend to remove some material from the piece.  The heat treating (really mostly UV), gives somewhat less "definition" between the various components, but imparts a beautiful overall "patina" to the piece.  Though it may not be immediately obvious from the photographs, the texture or "feel" of each one is also quite different.

Cheers,

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 24, 2006, 02:15:06 AM
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 24, 2006, 02:41:13 AM
Quote
Note that the one on the left is "etched", whereas the one on the right is simply heat treated. 


Very impressive....I've really gotta learn how to add these new skill sets to my repertoire of finishing techniques....

:icon_biggrin:


Dennis Greenbaum
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 24, 2006, 03:09:29 AM
 :fingerdance:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BraddahBill on September 24, 2006, 08:57:52 AM
Well what ever the finish........I'll take one of each.



Bill
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Yaesumofo on September 24, 2006, 05:16:39 PM
PSM, There are more where those came from. Just come to California sights like this are a daily or even momentary occurrence if you are in the right place. Keep in mind that this particular variety of the species can be very very dangerous. They have the ability to destroy a mans heart on a whim. They can also ensure that you work extra hard to keep them in thongs, shoes and belts. Not to mention cars, houses and 1st class airfares (all plural). Yes this is risky territory. Proceed with extreme caution.
Now where are those Damn Chams? That is what I want to know. There are lots of chicks like those (i meannlots and lots) but only 2 of these special DC's. Please keep that in mind. ONLY 2.
Yaesumofo

That has got to be one of the hottest chicks I've ever seen! :drool:  :read:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BigHonu on September 24, 2006, 07:13:25 PM
Regentag sure makes a good case.......what was he talkin about again?
Title: Heartbreak Hotel
Post by: regentag on September 24, 2006, 11:29:14 PM
PSM, There are more where those came from. Just come to California sights like this are a daily or even momentary occurrence if you are in the right place. Keep in mind that this particular variety of the species can be very very dangerous. They have the ability to destroy a mans heart on a whim. They can also ensure that you work extra hard to keep them in thongs, shoes and belts. Not to mention cars, houses and 1st class airfares (all plural). Yes this is risky territory. Proceed with extreme caution.
Now where are those Damn Chams? That is what I want to know. There are lots of chicks like those (i meannlots and lots) but only 2 of these special DC's. Please keep that in mind. ONLY 2.
Yaesumofo


A flashlight collector and a Country-Western singer? 

What are the odds?

Actually - if one were to take what you say seriously - your objectification of women is fairly offensive (and telling).

The reality is that there is only ONE woman "like" the person on the left, and only ONE woman "like" the person on the right.  Not "lots and lots"... not even 2.  ONLY 1.  Please keep that in mind.

Making sweeping generalizations based on personal experience should be discouraged.  It inevitably leads to stereotyping and the use of our language in an odd way, where one can refer to HALF the human race... a group consisting of billions of individual human beings as "they" or a "species" (?).

That being said - that does have to be one of the hottest chicks I've ever seen (outside of Florida, that is).

Cheers,




Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 25, 2006, 02:58:18 AM
Those hot chicks just happen to be shown on page 69 of this thread.  Coincidence?  :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 25, 2006, 09:32:10 AM
Those hot chicks just happen to be shown on page 69 of this thread.  Coincidence?  :thinking:

You raise an interesting point, Troy.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on September 25, 2006, 03:22:17 PM
The glasses on the one on the left are the rimless, frame type. Very costly.
But I bet you've all notice that already. :woot: :rotflmao: :rolf: :rotflmao:
Mike :toothy2:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 25, 2006, 05:27:58 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/White%20Tent/DSC00030-3.jpg)

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 25, 2006, 06:14:39 PM
The glasses on the one on the left are the rimless, frame type. Very costly.
But I bet you've all notice that already. :woot: :rotflmao: :rolf: :rotflmao:
Mike :toothy2:

Really?  One's wearing glasses?  :laughing7:

Hey Reg, I like the other photo better.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 25, 2006, 07:28:30 PM
Beautiful set you have there, Reg!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 25, 2006, 07:49:16 PM
Did Charlie get the package yet?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 25, 2006, 08:14:46 PM
Hey Reg, I like the other photo better.  ;)

Even though there are only 26 +/- DamChams, and lots and lots of the others?

Take a long, hard, penetrating look at the figures...

Which one would you really rather have inside your front pocket.





Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 25, 2006, 11:25:17 PM
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Did Charlie get the package yet?

I have to guess that he did...or else he would have raised some alarms by now.  I imagine he got the package and has been busy with the final assembly of the two lights...I hope.


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 26, 2006, 02:51:27 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Knives/DSC00108.jpg)

Damascus (and everything else) by Kaj Embretsen.
Your average Chameleon might learn something...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: raggie on September 26, 2006, 03:50:11 AM
the pics i saw  that was posted here are the best looking.lights i have ever seen
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on September 26, 2006, 05:28:51 AM
Beautiful set you have there, Reg!

You could say that to the purdy lady on pg. 69 too!  :P
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 26, 2006, 05:48:25 AM
Beautiful knife.  Kaj gets more color out of damascus than almost any other knifemaker on the planet.  He's famous for it. I recently attended the Custom Knife Show in Chicago where he won for Best Folder at the show.  A very well deserved win.

In the book that I co-authored (The Art of Modern Custom Knifemaking), we have a number of pages devoted to the making of damascus.  You won't be able to see much at this size (I've really gotta change my photo host...Club Photo...They suck), but you'll get an idea from the following out-take spread (from before the book was completed).  The maker is Ettore Gianferrari.  Check out the colors he achieved in the sample blades on the right:
(http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/173533318/480/null/image.jpg)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: Heartbreak Hotel
Post by: MR Bulk on September 26, 2006, 07:40:41 AM

...there is only ONE woman "like" the person on the left, and only ONE woman "like" the person on the right.



Yeah, but they each have twin sisters...:evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 26, 2006, 07:45:01 AM
Oh BTW guys, I do have "the package", as well as the majestic royal purple coat they came wrapped in...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 26, 2006, 07:53:02 AM
ok,I pride myself in having at least a copy of every version of released chammie there is, so if this 'new' damcham is different,
 I WANT ONE... :-[  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 26, 2006, 11:40:36 AM
Flashy, this is not a new release, consider it a change of wardrobe... ;)

Which brings to mind the following thoughts I've had.  When this all started, its safe to say neither Charlie nor I envisioned guys changing the look of their DC.  Seemed weird to me at first, but now I really LIKE it!  What can YOU do with your DC?  :D  I think it would be cool to have a run of DC's delivered in the white, and then sit back and see what everyone does with them!  With all the "roll your own" projects, and other guys having relationships with custom knife and gun makers, the results of a "finish your own" type of run could be staggering.  ;)

BTW, I applaud Regentag for all the cool stuff he has tried and shared pics of with us!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 26, 2006, 11:57:55 AM
I going to have to get the CNC instructions from Mr.B and see if I can borrow my uncle's CNC machine and mill myself some new chammie made of some unobtanium...  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 26, 2006, 12:08:47 PM
I going to have to get the CNC instructions from Mr.B and see if I can borrow my uncle's CNC machine and mill myself some new chammie made of some unobtanium...  :thumbup:

Uh, FG, that seems a bit over-the-top.  Eric just meant the OUTSIDE of the Chammie body.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 26, 2006, 04:18:47 PM
Quote
Oh BTW guys, I do have "the package", as well as the majestic royal purple coat they came wrapped in...

 :toothy9:



Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 27, 2006, 12:33:45 AM
 :happy1: :hello2:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 27, 2006, 12:58:06 AM
Quote
Oh BTW guys, I do have "the package", as well as the majestic royal purple coat they came wrapped in...

 :toothy9:



Dennis Greenbaum  8)

I hope it was from the special preserve.....  Mmmmmm Crown and Ginger....  :laughing5:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 27, 2006, 01:53:19 AM
heh heh, this comes from not been able to hold the majestic purple coat wrapped damcham... ;)

I going to have to get the CNC instructions from Mr.B and see if I can borrow my uncle's CNC machine and mill myself some new chammie made of some unobtanium...  :thumbup:

Uh, FG, that seems a bit over-the-top.  Eric just meant the OUTSIDE of the Chammie body.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 27, 2006, 02:22:17 AM
Hmmm...mebbe a limited run of "in the white" Damascus...CUBS? :thinking:

Wit' Chameleon electronics, which I still have some of?  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 27, 2006, 02:24:06 AM
Hmmm...mebbe a limited run of "in the white" Damascus...CUBS? :thinking:

Wit' Chameleon electronics, which I still have some of?  :icon_scratch:

Oh hell yes......  I hope your serious.  Dibs on lowest Serial #!!!!!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 27, 2006, 02:45:33 AM
me next!!!!   
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: raggie on September 27, 2006, 03:40:21 AM
btw  i got bad news ive been hideing in charlies bushes and im  thinking  about sneaking in and drinking all his rootbeer and takeing the lights  dont tell know one
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tdurand on September 27, 2006, 03:59:16 AM
Hmmm...mebbe a limited run of "in the white" Damascus...CUBS? :thinking:

Wit' Chameleon electronics, which I still have some of?  :icon_scratch:

Oh hell yes......  I hope your serious.  Dibs on lowest Serial #!!!!!!

+1 on all that! Sign me up!

This thread has as many layers and veins as the lights it's pushing!!
 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 27, 2006, 04:00:09 AM
FYI- The "majestic royal purple coat" was a reference to the rather colorful, brand new polishing cloth that I used to wrap the DC's.  As to the color(s) of their coats...that remains to be revealed.  ;)

Gotta admit...this is fun!  :D




Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: kiely23 on September 27, 2006, 05:20:39 AM
Hmmm...mebbe a limited run of "in the white" Damascus...CUBS? :thinking:

Wit' Chameleon electronics, which I still have some of?  :icon_scratch:
i´m in...  #23 or #5, please  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 27, 2006, 06:26:08 AM

tease...  :P  :'(  :D

FYI- The "majestic royal purple coat" was a reference to the rather colorful, brand new polishing cloth that I used to wrap the DC's.  As to the color(s) of their coats...that remains to be revealed.  ;)

Gotta admit...this is fun!  :D




Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MorpheusT1 on September 27, 2006, 07:01:29 AM
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Benny
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on September 27, 2006, 08:28:12 AM
Oh no guys, I get first dibs on this Dam Cub deal! I asked for a SlimHead & SlimTube for my Dam Cham when I said the "I`ll take it" and which I believe would be before I even paid the deposit on my Dam Cham!  :thumbup:

I`m first in line so I`ll take #0 and #1 please and thank you very much! 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on September 27, 2006, 10:14:15 AM
Dam Cub #00 for me please Mr. B.

You know why  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 27, 2006, 10:25:16 AM
this dam cub is going to need the services of Miss.Bulk again...   ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 27, 2006, 11:48:13 AM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 27, 2006, 11:53:13 AM
btw  i got bad news ive been hideing in charlies bushes and im  thinking  about sneaking in and drinking all his rootbeer and takeing the lights  dont tell know one

Me and Geo are planning on hitting Troy's Ti stash.  Maybe we can hook up and share the spoils! ;)

Told ya Codey: I've got a vicious Westhighland Terrier and an old cat, both of whom might lick ya to death.  You're taking your lives into your own hands.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 27, 2006, 12:51:06 PM
LOL, I say this:

I think it would be cool to have a run of DC's delivered in the white, and then sit back and see what everyone does with them!  With all the "roll your own" projects, and other guys having relationships with custom knife and gun makers, the results of a "finish your own" type of run could be staggering.  ;)

And Charlie says this later:

Hmmm...mebbe a limited run of "in the white" Damascus...CUBS? :thinking:

Wit' Chameleon electronics, which I still have some of?  :icon_scratch:

And you guys are jockeying for lowest serial #?  :icon_scratch: :rolleye:

 :tongue2:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 27, 2006, 01:35:21 PM
Ah, cut 'em some slack, Eric.  They've all gone stupid looking at my avatar.  :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 27, 2006, 01:37:45 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 27, 2006, 01:43:30 PM
btw  i got bad news ive been hideing in charlies bushes and im  thinking  about sneaking in and drinking all his rootbeer and takeing the lights  dont tell know one

Me and Geo are planning on hitting Troy's Ti stash.  Maybe we can hook up and share the spoils! ;)

Told ya Codey: I've got a vicious Westhighland Terrier and an old cat, both of whom might lick ya to death.  You're taking your lives into your own hands.  :laughing7:

Darn.  Guess we'll need to bring some steaks with us to lure the vicious lickers away! :rotflmao:

Damn!  For steaks they'd probably help you load up the loot.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: bmstrong on September 27, 2006, 10:23:21 PM
DamCub. Interesting.

The only way I'd be interested if some changes were made to the orginal design. The bezel needs to be opened. And after seeing pics of the new tail RPM makes, I much prefer that to the stock one...

Still.

Raindrop Blue Etch Cub!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 28, 2006, 02:21:17 AM
DamCub:

So, I count approximately eight so far, not really enough.  Oh well...

Hay Raggie, I even gots thermal imaging equipment so ya better watch out!

The "royally treated" DamChams have been completed and were sent out yesterday...:thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 28, 2006, 02:52:21 AM
err, how many do we need to make this a go, charlie???
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on September 28, 2006, 03:11:03 AM
DamCubs ??
Make it nine...I'm there.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 28, 2006, 04:32:21 AM
Good news on the "Royally Treated Dam Chams."  :D

I guess, if you're serious, Charlie (not sure about you these days  ;)), I would certainly come in at number 10 on this DamCub concept.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on September 28, 2006, 04:37:07 AM
Put me down for DamCub #8 if possible please.  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 28, 2006, 04:40:13 AM
Put me down for DamCub #8 if possible please.  :-[

Cyril, I think, if Charlie's not pullin' our collective leg, that you would come in at number 11.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: aib on September 28, 2006, 05:22:17 AM
Probably go for it if I got to choose my SN.

aib>>>>>>>
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Nedtheshred on September 28, 2006, 05:28:37 AM
I'm In too please
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: raggie on September 28, 2006, 07:37:13 AM
DamCub:

So, I count approximately eight so far, not really enough.  Oh well...

Hay Raggie, I even gots thermal imaging equipment so ya better watch out!

The "royally treated" DamChams have been completed and were sent out yesterday...:thumbsup:
i  am a hybrid i match the tempature of my surondings.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 28, 2006, 08:07:14 AM
err, how many do we need to make this a go, charlie???

I'm thinking 25, same as last time.  But we may have a problem serializing in the same fashion as the Cub's butt area is significantly smaller than the Chameleon's.

Also for a time it was not necessarily going to be DAM-ascus, as I was waiting for a lead to pan out on TI-mascus (same process except it would be folded TITANIUM) but it is turning out to be rare as hen's titanium teeth, maybe rarer than that even, as the only company (with a patent on the process) that makes Ti-mascus is not currently producing any.

So damascus it will likely be...unless someone here happens to know someone sitting on the Board of Directors of that Timascus-producing company -- I had the company name provided to me awhile back but can't think of it right now.

I considered the Cub also because it is significantly smaller and thus, lighter.  I also may have Osprey Guy do the finish pending the two DamCham owners' reactions when they receive them in a day or so.

But yeah, 25, or maybe 20, we'll have to see if TnC even wants to work this material again.  If not I would have to look for another shop.

BTW to bmstrong, the bezels would be opened of course, but I'm not too sure about a modified tail design as I happen to like the original, any pics someone can point me to?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 28, 2006, 08:36:10 AM
I might be up for two of these puppies if the timing is right...  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on September 28, 2006, 08:46:54 AM
I'll be in for one if I can get #8 again...  :D  Must have all my Bulkware serial numbers match since I have #8 Black LionHeart, #8 Black LionCub, #8 DamCham...  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: London Lad on September 28, 2006, 09:56:56 AM
Look what arrived in my post box yesterday

The Boss's own Dam Cham # 00 / 24

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

(http://graham_rumbelow.perso.libello.com/Flashlights/Dam%20Cham/L1000464.JPG)
2
(http://graham_rumbelow.perso.libello.com/Flashlights/Dam%20Cham/L1000466.JPG)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 28, 2006, 01:52:07 PM
Is that a statue of Charlie in the background 5 minutes after leaving his DamCham at the Post office? :laughing7:

Nice light LL!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 28, 2006, 03:13:18 PM
Is that a statue of Charlie in the background 5 minutes after leaving his DamCham at the Post office? :laughing7:

Nice light LL!  :thumbup:


Exactly, PSM...exactly...:'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 28, 2006, 03:24:54 PM
Yeh...Timascus is indeed tough to acquire.  He only does it in batches.  For some time now he's been talking about trying to figure a way to turn it out in larger quantities...but that's yet to happen.

Regarding my finishing 25 smaller versions of what I just did for Eric and Troy...We need to talk.  I didn't just color the two DC's... prior to starting that process I spent hours sanding them down to a considerably smoother, polished surface (I had to sand out most if not all of the abrasive "scores" that were an obvious result of the manufacturing process)...and I can tell you that it was a pretty fair amount of work.  You can still color the bodies as is (as we see with the current batch of blued DC's), but the finish turns out a whole lot nicer if they're first sanded smooth and taken to a high lustre. 

With those first two under my belt maybe I can come up with a "system" to knock out these smaller guys more quickly... I don't own a Cub...Do their bodies have as many "nooks and crannies" as the Dam Chams?

Oh...and I should also add that I don't know if I'm comfortable finishing more than two or three at a time using the same finishing method that I used on Eric and Troy's lights.  I'm reasonably certain that the current batch of blued lights was done "en masse", all at one time in an oven.  My method is much more time intensive than that.


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on September 28, 2006, 03:47:46 PM
Put me down for DamCub #8 if possible please.  :-[

Cyril, I think, if Charlie's not pullin' our collective leg, that you would come in at number 11.

But I WANT serial no. 8 OK?  :P

I'll be in for one if I can get #8 again...  :D  Must have all my Bulkware serial numbers match since I have #8 Black LionHeart, #8 Black LionCub, #8 DamCham...  ;)

SORRY, you're too late Greg!  :bootyshake:

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on September 28, 2006, 04:00:44 PM

SORRY, you're too late Greg!  :bootyshake:



 >:(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: bmstrong on September 28, 2006, 04:03:01 PM
>>Also for a time it was not necessarily going to be DAM-ascus, as I was waiting for a lead to pan out on TI-mascus (same process except it would be folded TITANIUM) but it is turning out to be rare as hen's titanium teeth, maybe rarer than that even, as the only company (with a patent on the process) that makes Ti-mascus is not currently producing any.

Charlie? Give Chuck Bybee a call! http://www.alphaknifesupply.com/ Chuck is top-notch, I've used him before in the knife world. He should have some. I'm MUCH MUCH more interested in Timascus...

I'm IN for a Timascus Blue Raindrop! (#25)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 28, 2006, 04:09:28 PM
FYI- Chuck is a partner with Tom Ferry, who originated the process along with Chuck and another partner, Bill Cottrell.  And unless I'm mistaken it's only available through Chuck's "Alpha Knife Supply"...


Dennis Greenbaum
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 28, 2006, 04:17:21 PM
Ti-Mascus sound better to me too!  Also sounds expensive!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 28, 2006, 06:39:51 PM
Yeh...Timascus is indeed tough to acquire.  He only does it in batches.  For some time now he's been talking about trying to figure a way to turn it out in larger quantities...but that's yet to happen.

Regarding my finishing 25 smaller versions of what I just did for Eric and Troy...We need to talk.  I didn't just color the two DC's... prior to starting that process I spent hours sanding them down to a considerably smoother, polished surface (I had to sand out most if not all of the abrasive "scores" that were an obvious result of the manufacturing process)...and I can tell you that it was a pretty fair amount of work.  You can still color the bodies as is (as we see with the current batch of blued DC's), but the finish turns out a whole lot nicer if they're first sanded smooth and taken to a high lustre. 

With those first two under my belt maybe I can come up with a "system" to knock out these smaller guys more quickly... I don't own a Cub...Do their bodies have as many "nooks and crannies" as the Dam Chams?

Oh...and I should also add that I don't know if I'm comfortable finishing more than two or three at a time using the same finishing method that I used on Eric and Troy's lights.  I'm reasonably certain that the current batch of blued lights was done "en masse", all at one time in an oven.  My method is much more time intensive than that.


Dennis Greenbaum  8)

Dennis, I would expect today, tomorrow, or Saturday the "unveiling" will take place in my small photo tent.  The FF crowd will soon see your incredible work.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: bmstrong on September 28, 2006, 06:40:31 PM
>>BTW to bmstrong, the bezels would be opened of course, but I'm not too sure about a modified tail design as I happen to like the original, any pics someone can point me to?

Charlie:

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2654.0

A bunch of pics...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 28, 2006, 10:10:57 PM
Dad, Eric, please dont make us wait any longer! DAM, it should be the first thing you do is put pics up so all of the rest of us can see it!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 28, 2006, 11:30:44 PM
In case you missed it, Charlie only sent the DC's to Dad and Eric on the 26th...

Quote
The "royally treated" DamChams have been completed and were sent out yesterday...

Considering that they're being shipped stateside, and that Priority Mail is 2-3 days (or longer when shipping to and from Hawaii), Eric and Troy aren't due to receive their DC's for another day or so.  They've yet to see the finished lights themselves...least of all photograph and post pics of them.  I've spoken with both today and I can assure you that they're just as excited about seeing them for the 1st time as the rest of you guys (probably more so...). 

:toothy1:

It just so happens I photographed the DC's before shipping them to Charlie, but I've promised not to post pics until Dad and Eric have their moment of glory.  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 29, 2006, 12:45:55 AM
Thanks Dennis!  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 29, 2006, 12:55:38 AM
In case you missed it, Charlie only sent the DC's to Dad and Eric on the 26th...
I've spoken with both today and I can assure you that they're just as excited about seeing them for the 1st time as the rest of you guys (probably more so...). 

:toothy1:

Truer words were never spoken.  Considering I was fortunate enough to be the first to know about these, I guess that along with the choice to try a differen't finish assured me I will likely be the LAST to see one; well, except for my Proto anyway... ;)

Can't Friggin' Wait!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 29, 2006, 01:16:42 AM
By the way, Eric, your avatar is sexist and degrading and, frankly, I'm appalled.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on September 29, 2006, 01:18:49 AM
........ and, frankly, I'm appalled.


I agree...... I can't believe he cropped the picture so tightly....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on September 29, 2006, 01:26:09 AM
By the way, Eric, your avatar is sexist and degrading and, frankly, I'm appalled.

Funny, looks like you are impaled, not apalled... :yawn:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BigHonu on September 29, 2006, 01:30:06 AM
Apalled?  I thought he said entralled!   :D ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 29, 2006, 01:33:31 AM
Anybody promoting soft porn on a "family" website should be taken out and shot.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 29, 2006, 02:22:44 AM
Getting back on topic here, all I can say is I saw them and, well ...

































I saw them... :evil6:

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 29, 2006, 02:40:47 AM
well... where are the !!"#"!¤*!"#  pictures???    ;)   
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 29, 2006, 02:50:55 AM
Well, we need to get them in our hands before we can take pics.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 29, 2006, 03:34:59 AM
I have a picture in my head on what they will look like.  Dude, they are gonna be sweet!  Definatley gonna have to wear white gloves to handle those bad boy toys! 

:Orville'sPopSecret:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 29, 2006, 03:43:38 AM
Quote
Getting back on topic here, all I can say is I saw them and, well ...


Quote
I saw them...


                     :laughing4:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 29, 2006, 03:48:05 AM
Dennis, I don't mind if you want to take your time doing this, maybe I can buy a nice damascus folder off you to keep me entertain while you are working on the damchams. Anyways, I am getting in line first for your next set of refining of damcham...  :D


 
Yeh...Timascus is indeed tough to acquire.  He only does it in batches.  For some time now he's been talking about trying to figure a way to turn it out in larger quantities...but that's yet to happen.

Regarding my finishing 25 smaller versions of what I just did for Eric and Troy...We need to talk.  I didn't just color the two DC's... prior to starting that process I spent hours sanding them down to a considerably smoother, polished surface (I had to sand out most if not all of the abrasive "scores" that were an obvious result of the manufacturing process)...and I can tell you that it was a pretty fair amount of work.  You can still color the bodies as is (as we see with the current batch of blued DC's), but the finish turns out a whole lot nicer if they're first sanded smooth and taken to a high lustre. 

With those first two under my belt maybe I can come up with a "system" to knock out these smaller guys more quickly... I don't own a Cub...Do their bodies have as many "nooks and crannies" as the Dam Chams?

Oh...and I should also add that I don't know if I'm comfortable finishing more than two or three at a time using the same finishing method that I used on Eric and Troy's lights.  I'm reasonably certain that the current batch of blued lights was done "en masse", all at one time in an oven.  My method is much more time intensive than that.


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 29, 2006, 03:49:27 AM
Too bad you guys won't be able to shoot them sitting side-by-side.  One is real nice, but two really gets the point across.  After you show your pics I'll post my shot of the two sitting next to each other in full costume....Almost, but not quite, twin brothers.  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 29, 2006, 04:06:29 AM
I just finished a "damascus" folder...w/Nitre Blued carbon damascus bolsters and etched stainless damascus blade.... including heavily carved, fileworked, and anodized (blue/purple) backspine and liners...plus a fair amount of additional embellishment, some of which is done with a new treatment that's unlike anything I've seen before.  I easily have well over 100+ hrs in the knife!!!

During the course of working on the DC's I had done a little bit of experimenting that yielded some really exciting results.  So with that still fresh on my mind I've decided that this weekend I'm going to sand all the existing color off of the bolsters and re-do them a la the new treatment. 

I've been asked to be guest speaker for an upcoming meeting of the mid-Atlantic Gem Cutters Guild.  Over the years they've evolved into much more than the original premise and it's now an umbrella for anyone in the region who's involved in jewelry making, or related metalwork.  The speaking engagement is this coming Tuesday and I am determined to have this knife ready in time to show to the group (I'm told to expect as many as 100 people).  So I'm gonna finish the knife no later than Sunday (hopefully sooner), and then shoot pics and post them here first, before showing it off at the meeting.  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum  8)

 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on September 29, 2006, 04:27:23 AM
Now I can't decide which I can't wait to see more - the knife or the special DamChams!  :P

gregw, I'll gladly settle for #18 & let you have #8.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 29, 2006, 05:45:44 AM
 :drool: :drool: :drool:  sounds really nice, Dennis!!!!!
can't wait for the pics. You should have kept one of the damcham to bring along...

I just finished a "damascus" folder...w/Nitre Blued carbon damascus bolsters and etched stainless damascus blade.... including heavily carved, fileworked, and anodized (blue/purple) backspine and liners...plus a fair amount of additional embellishment, some of which is done with a new treatment that's unlike anything I've seen before.  I easily have well over 100+ hrs in the knife!!!

During the course of working on the DC's I had done a little bit of experimenting that yielded some really exciting results.  So with that still fresh on my mind I've decided that this weekend I'm going to sand all the existing color off of the bolsters and re-do them a la the new treatment. 

I've been asked to be guest speaker for an upcoming meeting of the mid-Atlantic Gem Cutters Guild.  Over the years they've evolved into much more than the original premise and it's now an umbrella for anyone in the region who's involved in jewelry making, or related metalwork.  The speaking engagement is this coming Tuesday and I am determined to have this knife ready in time to show to the group (I'm told to expect as many as 100 people).  So I'm gonna finish the knife no later than Sunday (hopefully sooner), and then shoot pics and post them here first, before showing it off at the meeting.  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum  8)



 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: gregw on September 29, 2006, 05:54:25 AM
gregw, I'll gladly settle for #18 & let you have #8.  ;)

Wow... Thanks!!  :D  :hello2: :notworthy:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 29, 2006, 06:22:24 AM
gregw, I'll gladly settle for #18 & let you have #8.  ;)

Wow... Thanks!!  :D  :hello2: :notworthy:

I guess that means you two will cover any untaken numbers between 8 and 18...   :thumbup:  Charlie, we got to find two more and we good to go...   :woot: :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 29, 2006, 09:19:54 AM
:rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 29, 2006, 09:24:45 AM
I would like #19 Damascus Cub.  (I think that's what we are doing here right now) I'll also fill in any extras we need to get this started (but I susspect it will not be a problem)

May I humbly suggest that the bodyshape get an update for the Damamscus 2006 edition (no flare?, CR2?) ...

Cheers.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on September 29, 2006, 10:02:18 AM
>>BTW to bmstrong, the bezels would be opened of course, but I'm not too sure about a modified tail design as I happen to like the original, any pics someone can point me to?

Charlie:

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2654.0

A bunch of pics...


Sooooo, basically the new battery tube shape is due to a longer "flared" end, which is actually hollow/open on the bottom to accommodate...the side slots or something?  Hepp meh, RPM!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 29, 2006, 01:04:41 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on September 29, 2006, 02:38:29 PM
>>BTW to bmstrong, the bezels would be opened of course, but I'm not too sure about a modified tail design as I happen to like the original, any pics someone can point me to?

Charlie:

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=2654.0

A bunch of pics...


Sooooo, basically the new battery tube shape is due to a longer "flared" end, which is actually hollow/open on the bottom to accommodate...the side slots or something?  Hepp meh, RPM!

I originally made the body longer (and solid) just to accommodate the tapped holes for the clip.  Then it was suggested to add some slots for a lanyard attachment.... so the booty end got recessed.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...Baby-Dam
Post by: aib on September 29, 2006, 02:40:08 PM
Charlie,

Since this seems to be a go, I had indicated in an earlier post that I'd be interested if we had a choice of SN's.  Since my Dam-Cham is 11/24, I'd like to keep #11 in my Dam family.  Please :) :D ;)

Thanks,
AIB...............
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on September 29, 2006, 02:46:14 PM
 :thinking:
Charlie,
Since some thought is being given to cubs in Damascus Steel,
How about a 186A battery body in Damascus Steel?
I would like one of these.
Maybe CnC could crank out a few as they were doing the tails for the cubs :D
Mike
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on September 29, 2006, 05:28:23 PM
I guess I ought to make my desires known for a dam cub.  Maybe #15 if not taken-  to match my damcham.  If not how about #19 or 21 in that order?  Anyway, I'm in. 

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 29, 2006, 05:37:50 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Grumpy on September 29, 2006, 11:28:56 PM
I would like to have one. Any serial number. Just let everybody else pick first. I like the size of the Cub much better. I still have my Chameleon with slim head and tail. I like the beam from it better than any other light that I have.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 30, 2006, 12:53:24 AM
Dang it! When i saw page 77, I could of sworn one of the two Ospreyed Dam Chams would have put up pics!  :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 30, 2006, 01:41:36 AM
I have a gut feeling that at least one of the two guys will be receiving their DC's in tomorrow's mail.  I hope so.

The pics I shot are only fair and I'm really looking forward to seeing what Troy can do with his.  From what I've observed in these forums he's clearly a lot more skilled in photography than me.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that tomorrow the Postman will ring the bell holding a package postmarked from Hawaii.  And with a little luck, the Postman will ring twice (don't they always?).     :occasion1: :occasion1:



      :laughing7:





Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 30, 2006, 02:03:42 AM
Well, here's the deal.  Mine has arrived.   8)  But Eric's has not.  He is going out of town for the weekend and won't be getting his mail until Monday.  We have agreed that the photos I take will be posted once he's back in town.  I must say, Dennis, this is incredible!  The detail and color is extraordinary!  I'll share pics on Monday or sooner IF Eric gives me permission.   :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 30, 2006, 06:29:35 AM
Well!!!!!!!!

I take off a few days from the world (about 10 or so), and I come back and ALL the action is going on!

1) Those damsels in distress don't look so distressed - that being the case, I will gladly come to their aid nevertheless!

2) Can't wait to see the new beauties of Troy and Eric - #7 has been given a coat of 3in1 and was in storage awaiting my next move.

3) --->>

I'm am way interested in a Dam Cub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That would rock!  I will be happy to take #1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15, etc

Geo
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on September 30, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
Should well tell Geo the bad news that while he was away abandoning his post at FF he missed the sign up for the list Dam Cub! :o  :laughing4:

Good to see you back anyway! ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 30, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
Should well tell Geo the bad news that while he was away abandoning his post at FF he missed the sign up for the list Dam Cub! :o  :laughing4:

Good to see you back anyway! ;)

Actually I wasn't abandoning my posts, I've been thinking of clever posts the whole time I was gone!  Just NOW can I type them all in!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 30, 2006, 11:39:49 AM
I've been thinking of clever posts the whole time I was gone! 

Like that one!   :thinking: :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 30, 2006, 12:33:54 PM
I've been thinking of clever posts the whole time I was gone! 

Like that one!   :thinking: :laughing7:

Hey you stole clever post number 83, "Like that one!   :thinking: :laughing7:"  time to go to F-F court!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on September 30, 2006, 03:34:39 PM

welcome back, geo...  >:(   ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 30, 2006, 07:26:50 PM
Well, here's the deal.  Mine has arrived.   8)  But Eric's has not.  He is going out of town for the weekend and won't be getting his mail until Monday.  We have agreed that the photos I take will be posted once he's back in town.  I must say, Dennis, this is incredible!  The detail and color is extraordinary!  I'll share pics on Monday or sooner IF Eric gives me permission.   :D

Are you kidding me!? 

Post them,,,,,,,, NOW! Dude, Eric wont care!      Mack wouldnt do this to us......  :thumbup:

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 30, 2006, 07:37:21 PM
Are you talking about the pics that he sent us via pm?  That is sure one sweet light!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on September 30, 2006, 07:45:45 PM
just kidding!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 30, 2006, 08:14:25 PM
PSM, Eric said "go ahead and post 'em.  So I'll have them up within the hour.  Gotta take 'em first.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on September 30, 2006, 08:23:23 PM
Dad, HURRY UP PLEASE!!!! :blob10: :blob5: :blob3: :blob6:

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 30, 2006, 08:34:19 PM
PSM, Eric said "go ahead and post 'em.  So I'll have them up within the hour.  Gotta take 'em first.
Way to Go!!!!!!
 :wav: :wav: :wav: :wav:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on September 30, 2006, 09:01:07 PM
OK, here are my pics.  It's even more stunning than these pics show.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/arewethereyetdad/DC1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/arewethereyetdad/DC6.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/arewethereyetdad/DC7.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/arewethereyetdad/DC8.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on September 30, 2006, 09:06:40 PM
Now where do I send mine?  :o Maybe I could drive there quicker?  ;)

AWESOME!!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on September 30, 2006, 09:06:47 PM
Very nice...... :drool:

Thanks for the pics!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 30, 2006, 09:28:15 PM
Nice!  Try shooting them outdoors, or sent it to me and I'll do it for ya! :)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Damascus/DSC00201-1.jpg)

Titanium à la mode.  Look ma - no hands!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on September 30, 2006, 10:05:05 PM
 :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:
Fine Lookin Lights!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: BigHonu on September 30, 2006, 10:21:34 PM
HOLY CRAP!

Dad, that is one BAD ASS finish!!!!!!!!!!

Major kudos to Dennis!!!!!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on September 30, 2006, 11:25:57 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tdurand on September 30, 2006, 11:41:31 PM
Nice pics Dad.
Kinda reminds me of the light refraction from gasoline. A unique finish indeed.  :thumbup:

T
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on September 30, 2006, 11:49:42 PM
Blue and brown - I like.  If only the lines aligned across components, it would be perfect! :thumbup:

Hey - that's *my* pet peeve!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on September 30, 2006, 11:55:06 PM
These two lights are made up of as much (if not more) purple than the blue or the brown.  But for some reason it's tough to capture.  It's also hard to show just how highly polished they are...

Here's my best pic.  No post editing...my Photoshop has been down since yesterday.  And on top of that I'm having difficulties with my long-time photo host (Club Photo...they suck). So....sorry for the small image...but at least you'll get the idea.
(http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/174540922/480/null/image.jpg)

Glad you're enjoying yours Dad.  Looking forward to hearing Eric's reaction when he gets home (what a time to head out of town!).  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 01, 2006, 12:55:04 AM
Dennis --

Are you able to identify what the three componet steels of the billets were?

Just curious...

Cheers,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on October 01, 2006, 01:45:15 AM
Wow!!!  Sweeet!
Now that's doing the Dam-Cham some justice!

Great work, Dennis!


:thumbup: Donald
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 01, 2006, 01:48:46 AM
I just changed out the crappy pics with just-slightly-better-than-crappy pics.  At least these last two bring out the color more.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on October 01, 2006, 02:23:01 AM
Oh man, that is so beautiful.... :'(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 01, 2006, 05:09:45 AM
Much better pics Dad...Now we can begin to see the color.  "Jewel-like" is the descriptor that keeps coming to mind.

As I've explained to Troy and Eric, the most time consuming aspect of this was sanding out most of the deep grooves that were left from the manufacturing process.  I wound up spending a fair amount of time on my $2000 belt grinder, very carefully, with as deft a touch as I could muster, sanding the bodies until the "grooves" were gone.  Some were so deep I didn't dare sand any more aggressively lest I actually re-shape the body.  I took it up to approx. 600 grit on the ginder, and then by hand up to 7000 grit...and then spent time at the buffer using a compound with just a slight cut.  By the time I was done those two puppies were gleaming!

If you look closely at any other posted pics of Dam Chams you can quickly spot the grooves to which I refer.  You can shine them up in that state, but you'll never achieve the sort of finish I got without first spending hours sanding them down and taking them to a near mirror finish.

From there I used molten nitre salts at approx. 525 degrees F.  You have to keep a close eye on the temp using an industrial thermometer...it's a narrow window.  Too hot and it's far more difficult to achieve desireable colors.  It takes over an hour just to get the salts to reach that temp.  I made a couple of "holding jigs" using stainless wire (careful not to contaminate the salts)...using them to hold the lights as I immersed them in the salt. 

Once molten the salts are somewhat of a transparent pinkish color...clear enough that you can watch as the metal changes color.  It takes about 15-20 minutes to get to the desired color and if you time it just right you pull out the steel objects and run them under water (I keep a pre-heated bowl of distilled water nearby so that I don't get too much boiling water sprayed back on me (at 525 degrees the hot steel entering the water makes a whole lot of steam).  The water essentially "freezes" the color.  Once cooled the steel must be dried so that all the water is completely removed (the last thing you want now is rust).  I spray them down with Acetone, which immediately causes all the water to evaporate.  Then I quickly wax them to further protect the surface and seal out and moisture.

With practice this process goes smoothly...and the results are always exciting!  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 01, 2006, 08:33:39 AM
All I can say is WOW!

oh and Nice, and perhaps COOL!

Dennis - for DamSteel - what other options are available to those already presented here?  Right now, mine has a thin coat of oil to prevent rust....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 01, 2006, 02:30:24 PM
Because Damasteel is stainless, your options are limited.  Unlike the carbon steel that was used on these DC's, stainless steel can not be nitre blued...and the best you can get with heat coloring is a gold/straw tone.  So you're pretty much left with etching....which can be quite wonderful when done right. 

I love the look of etched steel...I'm just finishing up a knife that combines nitre blued carbon damscus bolsters with a stainless damascus blade.  The blade steel was from a bar I bought several years ago...It's a limited edition pattern by Mike Norris (one of the top two independent makers of stainless damascus), which he called "Modified Snakeskin"... I hope to post pics tonight, tomorrow at the latest.

Oh...and although it is possible for your Damasteel to rust, it's not too likely...certainly not under normal conditions.

BTW-Regentag...I have no way to determine what 2 steels Del Ealy used for this particular damascus. Ealy usually uses O1 and L6 and it's probably a reasonable guess that's what he used here. I do know for sure that one of the three components is pure nickel...that's the shiny stuff that leaps out at you in most damascus patterns. 


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 01, 2006, 04:05:26 PM
And I need to add one thing that has not yet been mentioned: these Dam Chams that Dennis finished are impossible to accurately capture in photos.  I will try more shots of it outside without the light tent (good suggestion Regentag).  What's important is that these lights are highly polished and unbelievable smooth.  The photos I took removed all signs of the glossy, smooth, almost waxy feel that these lights have.  That's really the most striking feature when you hold the light in your hands - the silky smooth finish.  Hopefully I can replace these still-crappy photos with better ones soon.  Hopefully, ones that will truly show the glossy smoothness.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 01, 2006, 06:40:14 PM
Your new avatar looks highly polished and unbelievably smooth.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Likebright on October 01, 2006, 06:57:18 PM
you Know,  If you look at mine (least from this angle) it kinda looks like the patterns line up on the different components. Well maybe.
Mike
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3949/99ag0.jpg)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 01, 2006, 08:11:44 PM
Your new avatar looks highly polished and unbelievably smooth.

 :laughing7: Reg, what, exactly, are you polishing?  :laughing6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 01, 2006, 11:00:57 PM
Looks fantastic, Dad and Dennis.  I don't even know what I can say about your work, Dennis.  :thumbup:  I am so pleased you agreed to take this on for us.  Anyone who gets a chance to work with you on something is just plain fortunate in my book.   :notworthy: :snorting: :notworthy:

Really looking forward to the Postman tomorrow.  LOL, with the schedule I have, it may not even BE tomorrow.  But hopefully he gets there early enough... >:(
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 02, 2006, 12:24:46 AM
Your new avatar looks highly polished and unbelievably smooth.

 :laughing7: Reg, what, exactly, are you polishing?  :laughing6:

Nothin', I swear.  I'm charging my new ShakeLight.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 02, 2006, 02:20:12 AM
Your new avatar looks highly polished and unbelievably smooth.

 :laughing7: Reg, what, exactly, are you polishing?  :laughing6:

Nothin', I swear.  I'm charging my new ShakeLight.

 :rotflmao: :hello2:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 02, 2006, 08:41:23 AM
Your new avatar looks highly polished and unbelievably smooth.

 :laughing7: Reg, what, exactly, are you polishing?  :laughing6:

Nothin', I swear.  I'm charging my new ShakeLight.

 :rotflmao: :hello2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxM-VvxxqkI
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 02, 2006, 12:17:28 PM
Geo, that clip was hilarious!   :laughing7: :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on October 02, 2006, 12:49:58 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 02, 2006, 05:13:51 PM
These two lights are made up of as much (if not more) purple than the blue or the brown.  But for some reason it's tough to capture.  It's also hard to show just how highly polished they are...

Here's my best pic.  No post editing...my Photoshop has been down since yesterday.  And on top of that I'm having difficulties with my long-time photo host (Club Photo...they suck). So....sorry for the small image...but at least you'll get the idea.
(http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/174540922/480/null/image.jpg)

Glad you're enjoying yours Dad.  Looking forward to hearing Eric's reaction when he gets home (what a time to head out of town!).  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)

Postman just brought me the sky!!  :woot:

Holy crap!  Talk about having to hold on tightly...  This thing is so polished, its like holding onto glass!

You are right Troy, I don't know how you could take good pics of this.  Irridescent is probably the best description, it turns entirely differen't shades as you move it around...  Absolutely stunning effect.  A true Chameleon...

Dennis, I don't know what else to say other than you are the Master.. :notworthy: :sunny: :notworthy:  The finish is just unreal, like nothing else I've ever seen.  Thank You so very much!!!  :D

Dang, this thing is so subtle, mesmerizing even.  Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hello2: :toothy9:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on October 02, 2006, 05:17:42 PM
Eric, so no outside pics on the concrete eh? :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 02, 2006, 05:22:20 PM
Eric, so no outside pics on the concrete eh? :evil6:

Not so fast...  Just gimme a sunny weekend day when everyone is gone!  My wife would definitely swipe this one for her own  :o
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 02, 2006, 05:28:20 PM
Yeah, this light is begging for a DECENT photo.  I will try outside as well.  Glad you like it, Eric.  Yep, it's the FEEL of the light that is so unique.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 02, 2006, 05:50:39 PM
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Postman just brought me the sky!! 

Come on Eric...No need to hold back.  Tell me how you really feel...   :D




I'm very glad that you're happy.

 :blob1:


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on October 02, 2006, 11:20:04 PM
Troy, Eric,

Why don't you boys just send me your DamChams? .....I'll be glad to take some pics of 'em!

 ;)

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 03, 2006, 12:18:10 AM
Troy, Eric,

Why don't you boys just send me your DamChams? .....I'll be glad to take some pics of 'em!

 ;)



Actually, that's not a bad idea.  Eric, whaddaya say?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 03, 2006, 01:50:42 AM
LOL, cold dead fingers...  :rolleye:

I'd send anything to Donald for some 'o his incredicpics, but not this one, not yet.

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on October 03, 2006, 02:17:57 AM

troy, eric, I will stand guard while WP take the pics. Nothing will happen to your damchams, I swear it on my precious...  :angel4: :evil6:


So Dennis, when can I start sending you my damcham???   ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 03, 2006, 02:54:51 AM
Eric... you and your dam need to get a room before you send her off, I understand.

But Troy - just send your girl to me!

I just bought some "Instant Parkerizing in a Can"... I'll "do" yours and shoot pretty before and after pictures!

All you have to do is pay the return shipping and a nominal fee for my time and materials, I'll cover everything else.

On a serious note...

With nearly 550 views per light produced - and no sign of slowing down - this has to be the most voyeuristic thread ever posted!

Cheers,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: raggie on October 03, 2006, 04:34:54 AM
i made a box to take pics of lights but i  gave up on it it was just a  box with flourescent lighting  with a hole for camera lens
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 03, 2006, 06:46:03 AM
EricMack said:
Quote
Irridescent is probably the best description, it turns entirely differen't shades as you move it around...  Absolutely stunning effect.  A true Chameleon...


Hmmm ... I wonder how Prismatic Paint would play out on a light? :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 03, 2006, 12:29:09 PM

troy, eric, I will stand guard while WP take the pics. Nothing will happen to your damchams, I swear it on my precious...  :angel4: :evil6:
LOL, no need for guards or dogs, I'd trust WP with anything  :thumbup:

Eric... you and your dam need to get a room before you send her off, I understand.

Too late!  :-[

EricMack said:
Quote
Irridescent is probably the best description, it turns entirely differen't shades as you move it around...  Absolutely stunning effect.  A true Chameleon...


Hmmm ... I wonder how Prismatic Paint would play out on a light? :thinking:

Rather see a Dam Cub!  None of these beauties would be here unless for you, Mr. B... :notworthy: :icon_king: :notworthy:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 03, 2006, 04:28:57 PM

Eric... you and your dam need to get a room before you send her off, I understand.

Too late!  :-[


OK, maybe I don't want my Dam Cham meetin' up again with yours.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 03, 2006, 06:19:39 PM
Awww, c'mon.  Just pretend it's "irridescent" or "prismatic paint".
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: mst3k on October 05, 2006, 10:57:17 PM
So how much are the Dam Cubs gonna be Charlie??  I might just be interested. The pix of the Dam Chams are gorgeous. Good job guys.

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 06, 2006, 01:33:36 AM
I figure it's about time for me to respond to those interested in having me finish their DC's... I had told Eric and Troy that I would first give them a week or two to enjoy their lights...so now it's time.

I may regret taking on more of this work...but I have enjoyed seeing the result and the response that it's been getting... It's nice to know that thanks to my work there are two very happy fellows out there...

First let me say that doing the two lights for Eric and Troy was a lot of work...considerably more than I expected.  To do it right these lights need to be sanded down and then taken to a high finish before even attempting to do the nitre bluing.  This has to be done carefully so as not to mess with the shape of the light...the nice edges, grooves, etc. 

With that in mind I've decided that I am willing to do some more...but with a few caveats...
I will only take on two at a time...and the fee for doing the two lights will be $300 (total) to be paid via Paypal.  I would prefer that you make the pairing and payment arrangements amongst yourselves...but if I'm contacted by PM or e-mail I will let you know if there are other interested parties.  If anyone's interested let me know.

BTW- A note to Eric and Troy... I think maybe it's time for you guys to let Wave Particle take a crack at photographing your DC's...what do ya think?  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on October 06, 2006, 01:37:22 AM
Dennis, I am intrested in doing this in the future possibly (not now), but don't he lights have to be gutted?  No Electronics, etc?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 06, 2006, 01:38:38 AM

BTW- A note to Eric and Troy... I think maybe it's time for you guys to let Wave Particle take a crack at photographing your DC's...what do ya think?  ;)


WP may be the only guy in the world who can truly capture the essence of this light.  There is no way I can do justice to your work with my little Canon PowerShot.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 06, 2006, 01:39:36 AM
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but don't he lights have to be gutted?  No Electronics, etc?

Short answer...YES.

I should have mentioned that unfortunate(but obvious) fact.  Sorry but you'll have to figure out how to accomplish that.

Dennis   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 06, 2006, 01:57:42 AM
I finally got my Photoshop back up 'n running... I cropped into my pic a bit more and did a little clean-up work (to the best of my limited abilities)... I think this at least looks a little better than my previously posted pic...

(http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/175519221/480/null/image.jpg)

These are OK (just)... We still need a pro to show these in their best light.  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on October 06, 2006, 01:59:28 AM
Now all that being said here I am still curious to a timed progressive heat treat as mention dozens of pages ago. I have numerous clients that can heat treat or nitrate or acid etch etc. But Mr. B spoke of timed progressive heat treating I have several ovens, and one furnace in my lab that are programable. The ovens can go to 500C the furnace to 1900C (I'll reserve the ICP-MS 10,000C torch for scrap). At any rate is this type of controlled heat treat beneficial or not?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 06, 2006, 03:06:47 AM

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but don't he lights have to be gutted?  No Electronics, etc?

Short answer...YES.

I should have mentioned that unfortunate(but obvious) fact.  Sorry but you'll have to figure out how to accomplish that.

Dennis   8)

Might be a nice "value added" option for the Dam Cubs if they become a reality...
If we were to get in on the ground floor, then Charlie only has to build them once.

Not that it is terribly complicated to "scrap" a Chameleon, and of course I can only speak for myself...
but one does hate to take a perfectly good light and turn it into a paperweight, even if it is only temporary.

Cheers,

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 06, 2006, 03:30:48 AM
Reg, you wouldn't be turning it into a paperweight because it will be out of your paws and in Dennis' professional hands during that period.  Then, theoretically, off to Charlie for reassembly, then back to you.   ;)


Cheers,


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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 06, 2006, 03:38:08 AM
Hence the "temporary" qualification... 

It's still tough to let go. 

But that's just me.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: raggie on October 06, 2006, 04:07:26 AM
g i was thiniing why  are  this guy have so many kids but then i looked at ya nick closer
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on October 06, 2006, 12:37:20 PM
g i was thiniing why  are  this guy have so many kids but then i looked at ya nick closer

:thinking: 
Heres what he's trying to say:

Gee, I was thinking why does this guy have so many kids, but them I looked at your screen name closer.... 

You talking about Troy or what?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 06, 2006, 01:55:38 PM
Hmmm.  I can see how my user ID might imply that I have kids, but I'm not seeing where it implies that I have alot of kids (I don't).  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Lips on October 06, 2006, 01:59:39 PM
 
Heres what he's trying to say:

Gee, I was thinking why does this guy have so many kids, but them I looked at your screen name closer.... 


Oh  OK,    I thought Raggie was asking why does his kids look so much like me        :laughing7:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 07, 2006, 04:02:00 AM
Wait a minute... 'dad - those ever-changing avatars of yours are photos of your KIDS, right?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 07, 2006, 11:46:10 AM
You noticed that but you didn't notice my blue sig copy?  :evil6:










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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 07, 2006, 07:52:28 PM
I sure did :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 08, 2006, 03:55:26 PM
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but don't he lights have to be gutted?  No Electronics, etc?

Short answer...YES.

I should have mentioned that unfortunate(but obvious) fact.  Sorry but you'll have to figure out how to accomplish that.

Dennis   8)

This shouldn't be a big deal for most folks.  I will say that the vacation at Dennis' Spa your DC takes will be well worth it!  :thumbup:  Not only will the finish be unreal when it comes back, it will be so smooth and highly polished you won't believe it.  Dennis just does some beautiful work!!  :notworthy: :occasion14: :notworthy:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: DFiorentino on October 09, 2006, 01:55:04 PM
Hmmm...mebbe a limited run of "in the white" Damascus...CUBS? :thinking:

Wit' Chameleon electronics, which I still have some of?  :icon_scratch:

I may be late to the party, but I'd like to throw my hat in the ring.  Consider me interested in a bare Dam Cub.  :wave:

-DF
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 09, 2006, 04:25:01 PM
Glad to see ya over here!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 09, 2006, 09:39:24 PM
Uh, uh, uh - noted...gotta go guys, a little swamped here...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: HOPPY1010 on October 13, 2006, 09:01:24 PM
If anyone is interested in having Ospry Guy do his magic
I have sent may Dam Cham off to have it done.If you want it
done we both could save some money it is cheaper for him to do two at
a time then it is to do one.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 13, 2006, 09:03:46 PM
Hi HOPPY1010 - welcome to F-F!  Which DamCham do you have?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: HOPPY1010 on October 13, 2006, 10:27:29 PM
Thanks, I have number 20. Its on vacation
for awhile. Its on its way to Charlie from there to
dennis then back to Charlie and finally back to me.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 21, 2006, 10:00:49 AM
Oh you got Grumpy's light!  Congrats!  Can't wait to see how Dennis's magic turns out!  I would love to have Dennis treat mine as well, but I am a bit $ poor at the moment.  Can't wait to see your pics of #20 after its makeover!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Chago on October 22, 2006, 12:06:14 AM
If the Dam Cub project picks up, and you don't mind a newbie, you can count me in for one. :)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 22, 2006, 12:07:24 AM
If the Dam Cub project picks up, and you don't mind a newbie, you can count me in for one. :)

Now fellas, take note...  THAT's the proper way to make a first post!!  :thumbup:

Welcome to FF, Chago! :woot:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Chago on October 22, 2006, 04:11:24 AM
Thanks for the welcome.  Had to jump in because joining a plot to convince Mr. Bulk to tackle a Damascus, let alone Timascus, LC was irresistible. Damascus is non corrosive and once it's heat colored or anodized, it takes a lot to wear that color off. As mentioned earlier, Chuck Bybee, from Alpha Knife Supply, is the Timascus distributor and he's a very nice fellow.  I don't know whether the Dam Cham was made from stainless steel Damascus, but if not, this certainly makes a great material also. Mike Norris makes some of the best. Damasteel could be another option. As a matter of fact, Caspian Arms has been using Damasteel for quite some time to make some of their 1911 pistol slides. Take a look at some nice pics here: http://www..com/Gun%20of%20the%20Month.htm. Damasteel site here: http://www.damasteel.biz/index.html.

Sorry for the long post, just got excited... :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on October 22, 2006, 06:48:21 AM
Hi chago, glad to see you over here too. :thumbup: Looks like you know what you're talking about & what you want to get in mind.  ;) I have a Benchmite with a damasteel blade too.  :)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 22, 2006, 09:04:15 AM
Hi chago,

Thanks for the very informative posts and Welcome Aboard!  Now if you could only help convince Chuck Bybee to have some 1" diameter Timascus rods made up (and sold to me, of course) then the TimasCub might well become a reality...:naughty:...otherwise it would only be a DamasCub. :BangHead:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on October 22, 2006, 11:32:21 AM
Have to hand it to the DC. Although several have changed hands it sure has brought in some interesting new players to the forum, as well as push the envelope for flashlights as art. Now some of you guys just have to convince the wifes. ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Chago on October 22, 2006, 01:00:57 PM
Hi chago,

Thanks for the very informative posts and Welcome Aboard!  Now if you could only help convince Chuck Bybee to have some 1" diameter Timascus rods made up (and sold to me, of course) then the TimasCub might well become a reality...:naughty:...otherwise it would only be a DamasCub. :BangHead:

You're very much welcome!  :) I will talk to Chuck alright. I have worked with him before to get Talonite and Timascus for a knife project I commissioned from David Broadwell some time ago. Actually, he was the one that finally convinced David to make a knife with Talonite for me.  :thumbup: I'll let you know how that goes. BTW, has he been reluctant to provide the material for some reason?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 22, 2006, 01:11:41 PM

You're very much welcome!  :) I will talk to Chuck alright. I have worked with him before to get Talonite and Timascus for a knife project I commissioned from David Broadwell some time ago. Actually, he was the one that finally convinced David to make a knife with Talonite for me.  :thumbup: I'll let you know how that goes. BTW, has he been reluctant to provide the material for some reason?

:headbang:  - not good for the wallet - but good nonetheless!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 22, 2006, 04:57:07 PM
Stainless damascus is wonderful stuff...and can be really beautiful when finished properly.  There are a couple of downsides...

Unlike carbon damascus, the stainless version can't be colored (well, you can get a bit of a gold/straw tone with heat)... as Chago points out, the upside to this is that the stainless type is "non-corrosive"...

The only decent way to finish stainless damascus is through etching... and with the flashlights, that can potentially prove to be a little tricky.  One concern that leaps to my mind is the threads...You can put a "resist" on all critical areas to keep out the acid solution...but if any acid does creep under the resist (and this can happen), good luck trying to get smooth-operating threads.  I'm not saying it can't be done...but the process can certainly prove to be "interesting"...  At the very least you'd be well-advised to avoid a deep etch...which is what I personally prefer when I etch damascus (not all knifemakers share my opinion on this).

My latest knife has a Mike Norris stainless damascus blade.  I deeply etched it using a process I developed with a fair amount of experimenting...one that gets me more contrast than typically achieved with stainless.  The bolsters are obviously carbon damascus.
http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=3658.0

Whatever Charlie decides I'm sure the next run will be every bit as exciting as the first run...maybe better.  :thumbup:


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Chago on October 22, 2006, 05:51:38 PM
... as Chago points out, the upside to this is that the stainless type is "non-corrosive"...

Just a note. In the second line of my first post I meant to say that "Timascus was non-corrosive and once it's heat colored or anodized, it takes a lot to wear that color off".  Didn't mean Damascus as even stainless Damascus will definitively rust if neglected. :)

BTW Dennis, that's one great looking folder!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 22, 2006, 07:25:21 PM
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BTW Dennis, that's one great looking folder!

Thanks Chago...

FYI- For the future, when you wish to put a quote into your response simply put only the quote between the quote brackets...and then start the rest of your response on the next line...outside of the brackets.   ;)


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Chago on October 22, 2006, 08:05:34 PM
Ha! I've got it!! :)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on October 22, 2006, 10:12:59 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 22, 2006, 10:31:22 PM
... as Chago points out, the upside to this is that the stainless type is "non-corrosive"...

Just a note. In the second line of my first post I meant to say that "Timascus was non-corrosive and once it's heat colored or anodized, it takes a lot to wear that color off".  Didn't mean Damascus as even stainless Damascus will definitively rust if neglected. :)

Just a quick observation from soemone for all intents and purposes totally ignorant in the ways of Damascus finishing, but the owner of two DC's.  One is pristine, as it left Charlie's hands...with what I understand to be a finish resulting from heat treatment of some sort. The other, well... that's the one I play with.  By play I mean experiment with different looks and finishes.  

I'm severely limited, as I have no furnaces nor do I care to mess with caustic chemicals at 500 degrees.  So, What I have is acetic acid (a/k/a vinegar) and whatever I can round up in the way of gun finishing supplies  at Brownells and my local gunshops.  

At the moment My "experimental" DC is wearing Birchwood Casey blue, which is more of a grey/black really on the DC. It displays three distinct shades of gray (one is actually silver after a light buff with 0000 steel wool).  Prior to applying the bluing paste, I felt that it might be a good idea to remove the "factory" heat treat blue.

Not really knowing what would happen, I poured a little sushi vinegar on a paper towel and heated it in the microwave for 10 seconds, then wiped down the DC with it. The blue wiped off instantly on contact.  Instantly - like one of those "Magic Paint" markers or coloring books... whatever the vinegar touched turned bright and shiny... my Damascus Chameleon was at that point virtually indistinguishable from my Titanium one from a distance.  It was only upon close inspection that you could tell that it was made up of three different alloys.  

It was sort of an interesting look, very subtle... and I suspect each layer would have taken on a slightly different charcter over time when exposed to the effects of handling and oxidation.  However, the ease with which the color came off led me to think that much the same would occur to the "stock" finish over time when exposed to the acids found in sweaty hands or perhaps abrasion.  At any rate, 24 hours later, it was wearing a new coat (as shown in the photo I posted some pags back).

I just got a kit of BLUE Wonder (http://www.bluewonder.us/BlueWonderGunBlue.html), which allegedly uses a compleltely different mechanism of coloring metal from the traditional (either hot or cold) bluing chemicals using precious metals and a "developer".  Of course, I'll have to strip off the old "new" blue that's on it now before I try it out.

As an aside, I should mention that ll of the above has been done with the flashlight completely assembled and powered on to add a little of extra heat to the process :)

So far so good... I've been having fun venturing into heretofore unknow territory, and the Chameleon seems no worse for the wear and tear.  Honestly - I could do without the deep machining marks (grooving), but lack the patience and skill to remove them without risking the works.

Cheers,

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on October 22, 2006, 11:43:58 PM
Now let me know if you want to mess with chemicals either caustic or acidic at programed elevated tempertures. I'd be happy to do it. Thought we could get some guidance here but so far not. I have the means to very accurately control temps and ramp rate but here to fore no one cares to share. ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 23, 2006, 02:39:37 AM
A reluctance to publish one's "intellectual property" in a public forum is understandable, after all it is what puts food on these folk's tables, and has often taken years to develop.

This type of knowledge is usually passed on in an apprenticeship type situation or in workshops at various gatherings of like-minded individuals. The other alternative is to experiment and learn as you go (sometimes referred to as "the hard way").  That's pretty much what I've been doing, but I've only been messing with "kids stuff".

If I do decide to get medieval on my Chameleon, I'd rather start out with some Damascus bar stock, rather than watch one of my lights dissolve in a hot acid bath :)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on October 23, 2006, 04:43:14 PM
Actually mich more goes into the art portion of this then the simple chemistry and mechanics of heating, as it has been done since Seki City was producing swords, just be nice to see some of the basic fundamentals. Now if you have some bar stock that would be interesting. As I have suggested even scrap would work. I'm simply offering a very controlled furnace with the ability to create a very inert or oxiding, or reducing atmosphere. Who wants to do what with it is up to them.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 23, 2006, 06:31:48 PM
One of the things that struck me early on about knifemaking was how open the makers were about their techniques.  We still find an occasional maker electing to keep, what might be, his unique process to himself but more and more that has become the exception not the rule.

A few pages back I offered what I thought to be a somewhat detailed account of the process I used on the two DC's:
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As I've explained to Troy and Eric, the most time consuming aspect of this was sanding out most of the deep grooves that were left from the manufacturing process.  I wound up spending a fair amount of time on my $2000 belt grinder, very carefully, with as deft a touch as I could muster, sanding the bodies until the "grooves" were gone.  Some were so deep I didn't dare sand any more aggressively lest I actually re-shape the body.  I took it up to approx. 600 grit on the ginder, and then by hand up to 7000 grit...and then spent time at the buffer using a compound with just a slight cut.  By the time I was done those two puppies were gleaming!

If you look closely at any other posted pics of Dam Chams you can quickly spot the grooves to which I refer.  You can shine them up in that state, but you'll never achieve the sort of finish I got without first spending hours sanding them down and taking them to a near mirror finish.

From there I used molten nitre salts at approx. 525 degrees F.  You have to keep a close eye on the temp using an industrial thermometer...it's a narrow window.  Too hot and it's far more difficult to achieve desireable colors.  It takes over an hour just to get the salts to reach that temp.  I made a couple of "holding jigs" using stainless wire (careful not to contaminate the salts)...using them to hold the lights as I immersed them in the salt. 

Once molten the salts are somewhat of a transparent pinkish color...clear enough that you can watch as the metal changes color.  It takes about 15-20 minutes to get to the desired color and if you time it just right you pull out the steel objects and run them under water (I keep a pre-heated bowl of distilled water nearby so that I don't get too much boiling water sprayed back on me (at 525 degrees the hot steel entering the water makes a whole lot of steam).  The water essentially "freezes" the color.  Once cooled the steel must be dried so that all the water is completely removed (the last thing you want now is rust).  I spray them down with Acetone, which immediately causes all the water to evaporate.  Then I quickly wax them to further protect the surface and seal out and moisture.

With practice this process goes smoothly...and the results are always exciting! 

Even when you're armed with the details of the process I would still strongly suggest a considerable amount of practice and experimenting...it's relatively simple,...but only after you've done it a number of times.  ;)

If anyone has any further questions about the process I'd be perfectly happy to answer as best I can either privately or here in the forums.


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
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Post by: Osprey Guy on October 23, 2006, 06:34:26 PM
You can find more information about the process here:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=1105&s=

When you get to the "instructions" page do a search under "nitre" and you'll find a rather lengthy pdf that offers a very detailed description.


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 23, 2006, 07:03:58 PM
Here is the PDF that Dennis was referring to - very interesting - even for me!

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/General/DisplayPDF.aspx?f=Inst-362NitreBluingBluing.pdf
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on October 23, 2006, 08:48:15 PM
Thanks for the info, it is intersting. If you ever want to experiment with very controlled heats, heat ramp rates and various atmosperes let me know be happy to help. :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Chago on October 24, 2006, 01:50:18 AM
Hello All:

I spoke to Chuck Bybee, from Alpha Knife Supply, and he is willing to take the Timascus order for the 1" diameter rods. We spoke for a while but, in a nutshell, the rods would have to be made in 30" sections and in a twist pattern.  I told him that the lights would be about 3" long and he figured that that much material would go for about $330, or $110/inch. Expensive indeed, but I think I read somewhere that this was pretty much the cost of the Damascus used for the Dam Chams.  Please correct me if I'm wrong there. Anyway, he's out of Timascus at this point and told me that the rods could take from 3 to 6 months to make.  You see, this stuff is flying out the window and these fellows (specially Tom Ferry) just can't keep up with demand. Furthermore, he told me that the price for Ti will go up considerably in the near future due to the very high demand in places like China and India.  So, in order to lock on a better price, I asked him whether a deposit could be made at this point.  He said that was possible. The good thing is that the deposit, which he figures may be 25% of the total order cost, would be fully refundable if Mr. Bulk decided somewhere along the way to ditch the project for whatever reason before the order for the raw titanium was placed by Chuck. Fair enough I think. As a matter of course, Chuck would notify Mr. Bulk just before buying the titanium stock to confirm that the order's still on.

Finally, I told Chuck that Mr. Bulk may be getting in touch with him to discuss this matter further. His e-mail is titanium.man@gte.net. However, he would be more than glad to discuss this over the phone (425) 868-5880. Just in case, Alpha Knife Supply's site: http://www.alphaknifesupply.com. 

In my experience, Chuck is a stand up fellow and a pleasure to do business with. Needless to say, I wish this project could get jump started sometime in the near future  :thumbup:

Hope this helps... :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 24, 2006, 02:48:36 AM
Chago, thanks so much for all your efforts here.  Mr. B, I am certainly willing to kick this off and put down a deposit for a future Timascus Cub...  :D  I expect others would be happy to do the same.  Perhaps a new thread would be in order...  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on October 24, 2006, 03:03:12 AM
Oooh!  A Ti-mascus Cub......sweeet.... I'm in!


Donald
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 24, 2006, 03:19:51 AM
Hmmm...:naughty:

I'll give Chuck a call - after all it's another "Charles" that I get to meet!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 24, 2006, 03:52:08 AM

Furthermore, he told me that the price for Ti will go up considerably in the near future due to the very high demand in places like China and India. 


Very interesting.  :thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Chago on October 24, 2006, 11:00:09 AM

Furthermore, he told me that the price for Ti will go up considerably in the near future due to the very high demand in places like China and India. 


Very interesting.  :thinking:

Yeah... Better hold on tight to that hell of a Ti collection of yours  :thumbup:  Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on October 24, 2006, 01:27:32 PM
Great work Chago!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on October 24, 2006, 02:14:23 PM
Wow!  Timascus at DamCham pricing? I'm all in!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Kenster on October 24, 2006, 03:07:20 PM
Timascus? Never heard of it.  :icon_scratch: Timascus.......LionCub. :thinking:.........  Yup, I believe it`s official. Now I can`t possably live without one. :-[  Sign me up, I`m all in, I`ll take it and where do I send PayPal. It`s just what a "flashaholic" like me needs. A little TLC to light up my life! :hugme:  :laughing1:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Steve Stephens on October 24, 2006, 04:28:31 PM
I, too, would like to get on the Tititanium Damascus list for one Timascus Cub.

Steve
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on October 24, 2006, 05:04:14 PM
Hey!  I want in on this also  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tdurand on October 24, 2006, 05:24:35 PM
I'm in for a TiM Cub!

Gotta have the latest and greatest!  :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 24, 2006, 07:07:42 PM
I'll take it! 
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 24, 2006, 07:52:52 PM
Yowzah!  I'm in.  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on October 24, 2006, 08:55:22 PM
Yeah just what I need another exotic alloy flashlight which can sit in my bookcase and do nothing :(  Wait sorry thats exactly what my life has been missing might as well count me in  :P Although lets try a Cree or some other new ultra bright technology so I don't feel as bad :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 24, 2006, 11:15:13 PM
I think the official name would be TimasCub...unless there is another bright idea?

Usually I don't name a light unless it looks like at least a remote possibility, soooo...

Actually this should go on a REAL interest thread, meaning please do not post there unless you are definitely committed, to be followed with a permanent deposit.  And it looks like the price will be stratospheric, because after my phone conversation today the Timascus material alone will be $550-$600 before machining, finishing, etc.  Thus a 3¼ inch-long flashlight like the Cub will realistically require closer to six inches in material due to the additional length of the threaded areas that nest into each other, the inherent wastage that comes with any machining process, and the short little lengths of additional cutoff discards that the CNC machine chuck has to grip in order to machine the piece itself - and bear in mind the Cub design is comprised of THREE PIECES at minimum.

Anyone ready for a thousand-dollar TimasCub, which entails a 25% nonrefundable deposit arrangement and a possible up-to-12-month wait?  If so and you are the first, feel free to start a thread to which I will post more defined parameters a little later.

But regardless, thank you for your interest, and a big THANK YOU to chago - Chuck recognized my name right away and spoke very nicely about you, and this might be part of the reason he was willing to even talk to me at a time when they are currently not accepting new orders, including, "...a few from some other flashlight makers." (Chuck's words!).
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on October 24, 2006, 11:54:39 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 25, 2006, 12:08:07 AM
Anyone ready for a thousand-dollar TimasCub, which entails a 25% nonrefundable deposit arrangement and a possible up-to-12-month wait?  If so and you are the first, feel free to start a thread to which I will post more defined parameters a little later.

Interest thread started in General...  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on October 25, 2006, 12:09:27 AM
Currently I'm working on the design of a new Warp Drive, but when I'm done :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on October 25, 2006, 04:16:03 AM
Well, I would, but...

I wish I already had my gane FireFly III.  It'll have a twist pattern, so it would be nice to see how the components line up pattern-wise before committing this much to a TimasCub.  As cool as it would be, I'd want a near-perfect pattern matchup between the components, and that isn't happening until we have Star Trek manufacturing methods available.

In the meantime, anyone want to tackle designing a true 3D CNC machine, capable of cutting threads on adjoining components with a single cut with neglible waste?

The technology is available.  One of our CNC lathes has two spindles and two turrets.  It allows you to transfer from the main spindle to the sub spindle and do subsequent machine operations. For instance, you could turn and thread one side of the control module, then transfer to the sub spindle and thread the opposite side. This would allow a part to be threaded and even timed with the next threaded part. The trick would be in the transfer when there are two different diameter parts. If all the parts were initially turned to the largest diameter, I believe you could essentially make all the components in one "program" yet yield all the required parts.  Sorry for the machining techno blab... but with this type of machine you could cut down considerably the amount of bar stock needed for each light.  The other cool thing is that the turrets have "live tooling" meaning you can mill and drill on the side for the switch hole and trit slots. In theory... a complete Chammie from one machine.  Anyone catch all that?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 25, 2006, 04:34:40 AM
Well, I would, but...

I wish I already had my gane FireFly III.  It'll have a twist pattern, so it would be nice to see how the components line up pattern-wise before committing this much to a TimasCub.  As cool as it would be, I'd want a near-perfect pattern matchup between the components, and that isn't happening until we have Star Trek manufacturing methods available.

In the meantime, anyone want to tackle designing a true 3D CNC machine, capable of cutting threads on adjoining components with a single cut with neglible waste?

The technology is available.  One of our CNC lathes has two spindles and two turrets.  It allows you to transfer from the main spindle to the sub spindle and do subsequent machine operations. For instance, you could turn and thread one side of the control module, then transfer to the sub spindle and thread the opposite side. This would allow a part to be threaded and even timed with the next threaded part. The trick would be in the transfer when there are two different diameter parts. If all the parts were initially turned to the largest diameter, I believe you could essentially make all the components in one "program" yet yield all the required parts.  Sorry for the machining techno blab... but with this type of machine you could cut down considerably the amount of bar stock needed for each light.  The other cool thing is that the turrets have "live tooling" meaning you can mill and drill on the side for the switch hole and trit slots. In theory... a complete Chammie from one machine.  Anyone catch all that?


Yes Rich, I did actually.  I am writing to you right now...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tdurand on October 25, 2006, 04:51:52 AM


The technology is available.  One of our CNC lathes has two spindles and two turrets.  It allows you to transfer from the main spindle to the sub spindle and do subsequent machine operations. For instance, you could turn and thread one side of the control module, then transfer to the sub spindle and thread the opposite side. This would allow a part to be threaded and even timed with the next threaded part. The trick would be in the transfer when there are two different diameter parts. If all the parts were initially turned to the largest diameter, I believe you could essentially make all the components in one "program" yet yield all the required parts.  Sorry for the machining techno blab... but with this type of machine you could cut down considerably the amount of bar stock needed for each light.  The other cool thing is that the turrets have "live tooling" meaning you can mill and drill on the side for the switch hole and trit slots. In theory... a complete Chammie from one machine.  Anyone catch all that?

I caught that too! The machine process you described needs a video montage. Montage!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on October 25, 2006, 02:53:31 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 25, 2006, 03:41:41 PM
Technology permitting, I would love to see the "grain" match on all three componets when assembled. 

I have some idea what that entails, and it may be impossible to accomplish using the tools "at hand". 

The end result would be quite striking, though.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 25, 2006, 04:13:41 PM
Technology permitting, I would love to see the "grain" match on all three componets when assembled. 

I have some idea what that entails, and it may be impossible to accomplish using the tools "at hand". 

The end result would be quite striking, though.

Agreed.  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on October 25, 2006, 05:54:56 PM
Yes, but, would the Timascus patterns line up perfectly between the components once completed?  That's the goal I want, and I don't think any equipment exists that can accomplish that without resorting to an insert of some type to provide threading.

Yes, I believe it can be done. Both spindles can be orientated to any position.  They not only spin for turning operations, but they are positional for milling operations.  When threading on a CNC lathe, the insert makes multiple passes. The spindle rotation is timed with the axis of the turret.  A single lead thread should start at the same place on each successive part.


One program may complete multiple cuts, but I'm talking about a single cut to both separate adjoining components and to make all other cuts related to how those two components connect together.  Specifically, a single cut that not only separates the battery tube and the control module, but simultaneously cuts the threads.  When you took the parts off the machine, you would have to un-screw them.  This would mean a 3" piece of stock to make a 3" long light.

Not gonna happen! Obviously, when you have internal and external threads mating together you are going to lose that amount on the exterior of the light. In many damascus patterns in may not even be noticeable.  The trick would be to minimize the wasted material between sections.

The beauty of Damascus/Timascus is in the continuity of the patterns.  When that continuity is broken, so is the beauty.  That's why I didn't get a Dam-Cham.  What's the sense in using a beautiful material when the beauty is partially destroyed by the manufacturing process?

I'm sorry...but I appreciate what you're saying.  :)   I still really like mine. She's a beauty!  :thumbup: 8)

The only way to preserve the continuity is to use operations that allow a 3" piece of stock to turn into a 3" light, thus maintaining perfect pattern matching between the components.

Now you're on to something! I have a few ideas about that!

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Codeman on October 25, 2006, 11:17:52 PM
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Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 26, 2006, 10:08:27 PM
Actually after a couple of e-mails between us, it looks like a ONE-PIECE bod just might be do-able...:naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: EricMack on October 26, 2006, 11:00:23 PM
I smell good things...  :naughty:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: RPM on October 27, 2006, 02:17:05 AM
Oh ya baby...we're having fun now  :thumbup:

We just have to have a new project to look forward to!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 27, 2006, 04:07:01 AM
In a recent conversation I had with a close friend (see my comments in the TimCub interest thread) we talked about some of the inherent problems of working with Timascus including the issue of getting the patterns in alignment between threaded components.  My friend suggested that Damasteel might be the best bet for that particular problem.  The repeating patterns they use are far more consistent than those that are to be found with Timascus.  With Damasteel you could probably break into a pattern and pick it up again in the next repeat without hardly skipping a beat.

And I understand that the folks at Damasteel are very cooperative regarding special runs...assuming that enough material is ordered. 

Just a thought......... ;)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: flashlight on October 27, 2006, 05:09:47 AM
In a recent conversation I had with a close friend (see my comments in the TimCub interest thread) we talked about some of the inherent problems of working with Timascus including the issue of getting the patterns in alignment between threaded components.  My friend suggested that Damasteel might be the best bet for that particular problem.  The repeating patterns they use are far more consistent than those that are to be found with Timascus.  With Damasteel you could probably break into a pattern and pick it up again in the next repeat without hardly skipping a beat.

And I understand that the folks at Damasteel are very cooperative regarding special runs...assuming that enough material is ordered. 

Just a thought......... ;)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)

Would Damasteel be cheaper too?  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on October 27, 2006, 05:47:34 AM
DamaSteel (or any other stainless damascus) is in the general same price range as most carbon damascus (like the type that was used for the DamChams).

This will give you an idea....http://www.ssdamascus.com/Products.html (http://www.ssdamascus.com/Products.html)

Keep in mind the dimensions they show here compared with those required for a Dam Cub. It would probably need to be special order...Regardless, it would be considerably less expensive that Timascus...If I had to guess I'd say less than 2/3rds the cost.  And it would be available much, much sooner (and a much greater probabilty that it will in fact actually be available...given that the Timascus boys have had definite productions "issues" for the past year or so). 

Chuck's a really nice guy...one of the nicest in the knife business...and I know he has only good intentions...but he also has partners to deal with in the Timascus end of the biz...and he has the rest of his business (alphaknifesupply) to deal with on a daily basis.

Rumour has it.... that although it's been an interesting concept, the reality is that the production of Timascus has thus far proved less than profitable for them (hence the suggestion that if they do go back into production it'll be a lot more expensive (and it's already very expensive)...

Oh well...I guess time will tell.


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 27, 2006, 05:53:02 AM
Probably - although just as heavy...:naughty:

Although the smaller format of the Cub could serve to offset this somewhat.

I'm probably going to close this thread soon to herd all TimCub-related comments over to the other thread.  That one was originally supposed to be the declaration-of-committment thread but we can see what happened there already - so I guess it'll just have to be up to Eric to sift out all the OT posts when we finally compile a list! :evil6:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: mst3k on October 27, 2006, 07:46:10 AM
I'm getting the feeling that Mr. Bulk is slowly, hmmmm; actually, quckly getting into a new niche market that might actually change his moniker once and for all from Mr. Bulk to Mr. Bling.


 :D
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: fläshgreëniè on October 27, 2006, 10:59:06 AM
Mr. Bling indeed...    :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 28, 2006, 02:39:00 AM
Hmmm, that Does go nicely with my ethnic heritage...:thinking:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 28, 2006, 08:50:18 PM
Mr. B - if desired, can't someone just move the posts about the cub to the other thread - that way this thread can stay on track....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on October 30, 2006, 11:08:26 AM
Mr. B - if desired, can't someone just move the posts about the cub to the other thread - that way this thread can stay on track....

Hmmm, hint - hint - can you talk to one of your fellow Mods about this?  Unlike your time zone in Europe, right now I gotta get to sleep since I start work in FIVE HOURS(!)...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 30, 2006, 01:19:33 PM
Geo, I say we just leave it alone and let the ship right itself.  ;)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 30, 2006, 04:40:38 PM
A new suit for my flashlight.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Damascus/DSCN0004.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Damascus/DSCN0003.jpg)

Hydrocholic Acid, Neutralizer and a few drops of Oil.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on October 30, 2006, 04:53:31 PM
Wow, Reg!  Where'd all the color go?  Looks like something from an old black and white Sci Fi movie.  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 30, 2006, 04:54:49 PM
Oh specifics specifics RT!  The acid does exactly what?
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 30, 2006, 05:04:23 PM
Gort, Baringa!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tonyd on October 30, 2006, 05:31:25 PM
Klatuu Barata Nikto
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on October 30, 2006, 07:15:16 PM
Oh specifics specifics RT!  The acid does exactly what?

Specifics.... Hmmmm.  Well, I don't really know but here is what seems to have  happened:

1.  Etching: as a result of the exposure to acid, some metal was removed.  It is expecially noticeable at the "juncture lines", where two metals meet.  There is now a 3-dimensional quality, whereas before etching, the surface was smooth (albeit with tool marks).  The etching was quite subtle, you can't feel the stripes, but they are far more visible.

2.  The acid darkened one of the metals more than the other, so there is a visual contrast even applying without bluing / blackening (which I might still do).

It looks fairly interesting the way it is, in an "industrial" retro sort of way.  I have the Blue Magic (blue and black), which is great stuff, though I'm not sure how it will react with the acid-etched surfaces,  Hopefully it will retain (or enhance) the contrast rather than just "painting it black".

Cheers,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on October 31, 2006, 10:48:27 AM
Oh specifics specifics RT!  The acid does exactly what?

Specifics.... Hmmmm.  Well, I don't really know but here is what seems to have  happened:

1.  Etching: as a result of the exposure to acid, some metal was removed.  It is expecially noticeable at the "juncture lines", where two metals meet.  There is now a 3-dimensional quality, whereas before etching, the surface was smooth (albeit with tool marks).  The etching was quite subtle, you can't feel the stripes, but they are far more visible.

2.  The acid darkened one of the metals more than the other, so there is a visual contrast even applying without bluing / blackening (which I might still do).

It looks fairly interesting the way it is, in an "industrial" retro sort of way.  I have the Blue Magic (blue and black), which is great stuff, though I'm not sure how it will react with the acid-etched surfaces,  Hopefully it will retain (or enhance) the contrast rather than just "painting it black".

Cheers,

:thanks:!

:popcorn:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: WAVE_PARTICLE on October 31, 2006, 06:48:24 PM
Klatuu Barata Nikto

:rotflmao: That movie is on my list of all-time favorites!!!   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on November 03, 2006, 09:21:39 PM
I just finished refinishing and nitre bluing a DC for Hoppy 1010 (aka Jay).  As with the lights I refinished for Troy and Eric I did some more experimenting on this one with my finishing techniques.  For starters I took it up to an even higher finish...pretty darn close to a mirror finish. I spent a number of hours on that...

Then I proceeded with the bluing.  I'm not sure if it was due to the higher finish but I initially had trouble getting color that I liked...and by "like" I mean something very special.  In my pursuit of achieving great color I wound up re-stripping and re-nitre bluing 5 times!!!  By the time I got to the final attempt I do believe that the metal was perhaps beginning to "case harden" (as a result of the 525-600 degree F temps required for the bluing salts)....This would inherently change the way the steel reacts to the molten salts.  What I wound up with came as a surprise to me...a very pleasant one.  The finish is quite similar to what we see on high end guns that have been "gun blued"...a far more toxic process (that requires special equipment and facilities...and it's an expensive process as well (only a handful of specially trained gun refinishers can do this well). 

These two photos were the best that I could do to try and capture the real color.  The overall color is actually much, much, much, much, much darker than what we see here in these pics.  At a glance it first come across as being almost black.  In real life the blues are far deeper in color, the silver tone lines (caused by the nickel content in the steel) are actually more gold than the silver that we see here...and there's quite a bit more of a burgandy/plum color that alternates with the blue throughout the light.  And like all of the pics that have been shot so far of Eric and Troy's lights, these photos don't come even close to showing off the highly, highly polished surface.

To demonstrate how much the color in these pics varies from the actual lights, here are two different shots...and neither of them are, in my opinion, even remotely accurate to what I see with my naked eye..and I'm using daylight bulbs and I did a white balance before shooting...and I still couldn't come close:

(http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/184355678/480/null/image.jpg)
(http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/184355679/480/null/image.jpg)

I'll be shipping this back to Charlie to have the guts reinstalled...So this is the first peek that Jay has seen of his newly "improved" light.  Hope he's gonna be a Happy Hoppy 1010!!  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum  8)

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on November 04, 2006, 12:07:23 AM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: HOPPY1010 on November 04, 2006, 02:11:40 AM
Hi Dennis,

That looks amazing you have out done your self
this is going to be one of kind thank you again
for doing this. Beleive it or not I am going to use this as a every day carry.
Some things are just meant to be used.

Thanks Jay

PS: I just love the way this light functions.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on November 04, 2006, 09:20:39 AM
VERY NICE! 

Once of these days, my light may have to go and visit Dennis for a makeover!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on November 04, 2006, 10:55:10 PM
That sure is one Purdey light!  (Or perhaps more Holland & Holland)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: HOPPY1010 on November 20, 2006, 10:11:27 PM
The journey has ended my Dam Cham is home and better than ever. I would like to thank Charile and Dennis for doing this. They both went out of there way to do this and made it happen quickly. Words can't describe how nice the finish is on this light. I am a VERY HAPPY HOPPY1010 :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on November 20, 2006, 10:36:41 PM
Sounds like Hoppy1010 is giving it a pair o' tens.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on November 21, 2006, 01:10:38 AM
Jay-

I'm glad you're happy with the final result.  I don't know why yours was a bit trickier than the first two...Must have been the moon's alignment...or some sort of mystical influence on the steel....

I received another DC this weekend.  I'm working on it now...If all goes well I'll have it finished in a couple of days.  Hopefully it'll go a little easier than this last one.  ;)


Dennis Greenbaum  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: MR Bulk on November 25, 2006, 03:57:29 AM
The finish was so mirror smooth, yet dark, that it seemed the body was coated in still-wet oil when I first opened the box to reassemble Hop's DamCham...the effect was complete with all the hues and tints one sees in oil when the light hits it a certain way - really! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Osprey Guy on November 27, 2006, 05:06:32 AM
Well.... I just finished another one! 

This DC was for Fishman (aka Ned)...who did his own "gut" removal before sending it out to me.  Some of the DC's have deeper machine scoring than others...this was one of those with the more pronounced scores... I had my work cut out for me.

This is the fourth DamCham that I've refinished.  With each light that I've done I have tried minor variations to the process...and as a result each one turns out a little different than previous versions.

I did a couple of things differently with this light and I'm quite pleased with the way it turned out.  All of the lights have ended up having a jewel-like quality to them... This one is sort of a combo of the last light (Jay's), with its finish that Charlie so appropriately described as "wet-oil".  But visually this one is not quite as dark.  I'd say that the color on this DC is closer to the first lights I did for Eric and Troy, but a couple of shades darker...Somewhat of a deep purple with alternating stripes of an equally deep, vivid blue.  If I do day so myself...it's quite stunning.

I'm going to be shipping this out tomorrow...If I can find the time I'll try to photograph it before it goes out the door...although all of my attempts thus far to capture the liquidy, gem-like finish and the intense coloration of these, have completely failed.  I sure wish that someone with some real talent at photography could be given the opportunity to take a crack at capturing one of these for posterity.

Hope you're happy with this Ned...Let me know.


Dennis   8)

Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Geologist on December 16, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
:popcorn:

too bad we can't see them all lined up together!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on February 16, 2007, 07:31:06 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Regentag/Chameleon/e0ff26f5.jpg)

Cheers,
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on February 17, 2007, 05:59:38 AM
Good grief Daniel, warn me next time!  I almost made a mess!  :-[
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on February 17, 2007, 01:26:07 PM
Sorry... my bad!  8)
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: tacticalsupply.com on February 18, 2007, 04:29:28 AM
That is gorgeous.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on February 18, 2007, 04:47:20 AM
That is gorgeous.

Only a flashaholic understands that comment about a light.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: arewethereyetdad on February 18, 2007, 04:57:46 AM
That is gorgeous.

Only a flashaholic understands that comment about a light.  :thumbup:

Yep, it gets my BP rising.
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: regentag on February 18, 2007, 11:03:03 PM
Absence makes the heart grow fonder... better keep an eye on that!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: PoliceScannerMan on February 18, 2007, 11:15:51 PM
Yep, it gets my BP rising.
:laughing7:

You know Troy, if your BP rises to high, you should really get that checked out....
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: TOOBRIGHT! on January 18, 2010, 08:41:31 PM
If anyone would like to sell one of these, please pm me - cash pp waiting!
Title: Re: PRESENTING: The Dam-Cham...
Post by: Rebel on January 19, 2010, 09:48:36 PM
If anyone would like to sell one of these, please pm me - cash pp waiting!

Check it out.  8)  http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=7637.0;topicseen