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Marketplace => Lights Buy/Sell/Trade => Topic started by: Lips on February 26, 2013, 08:45:20 AM

Title: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on February 26, 2013, 08:45:20 AM
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Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt switchable)
 
HID For Sale Searchlight   *    Fire Fox IV 4  *  FF4





Units in Stock ready for immediate shipping
:  FF4 Searchlight - Extra Battery Carriers
YOU CAN CONTACT ME DIRECTLY TO PURCHASE AT:     FireFoxes@comcast.net




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USA Prices:
Priority Shipping = $269  to conus
 
Paypal address listed under my user name (click name) (Price is for each light)
PLEASE LIST YOUR FORUM USER NAME IN PAYPAL COMMENTS SO I CAN MATCH UP
All Domestic and International lights get free lens cover with Fire-Foxes FF4 Label




International Prices: Anywhere
First Class = $269
Priority = $285
Exp M I = $294

Paypal address listed under my user name (click name)  (Price is for each light)
PLEASE LIST YOUR FORUM USER NAME IN PAYPAL COMMENTS SO I CAN MATCH UP
All Domestic and International lights get free lens cover with Fire-Foxes FF4 Label


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Beam Shots and Photos throughout this post!


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg.html)






LINKS:


CPF Review

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?362251-Fire-Foxes-FF4-amp-FF3-HID-Reviews (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?362251-Fire-Foxes-FF4-amp-FF3-HID-Reviews)



BLF Shootout done by rdrfronty
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/23875 (http://budgetlightforum.com/node/23875)


rdrfronty Test
Low(24wt) - 2900 lumens
Med(40wt) - 5225 lumens
High(60wt) - 7010 lumens
Throw(from 15m) - 430k


Fibo  German member at Taschenlampen-forum Beamshot Review

http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/beamshot-vergleiche/25883-ff3-ff4-ph50-rrt3.html (http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/beamshot-vergleiche/25883-ff3-ff4-ph50-rrt3.html)



Short Videos

[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USsaS_V9gCs[/yt]


[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMU6VJf4nQ[/yt]


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Inexpensive 18650 Batteries
   Panasonic NCR18650B Unprotected Flat-top Rechargeable Batteries  SKU 1141100

Ref by kiely23
2x Panasonic 3400mAH for $14.79  incl. shipping !
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001980/1141100-panasonic-ncr18650b-rechargeable-3400mah-37v-18650 (http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001980/1141100-panasonic-ncr18650b-rechargeable-3400mah-37v-18650)

mhemling33 referred code BLF for extra 5% off at Fasttech    :thumbup:
You have to view your shopping cart to see this. If you go right to checkout it wont appear.

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Toppe posted these on CPF and interesting to look at: Labsphere FS2 of FF III vs Polarion PH40

FF III
http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/FF3_LabsphereFS2.png (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/FF3_LabsphereFS2.png)

Polarion PH40
http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/PH40_LabsphereFS2.png (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/PH40_LabsphereFS2.png)




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AKU photos:




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05403_zps20c24187.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05403_zps20c24187.jpg.html)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05396_zps410800ee.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05396_zps410800ee.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05382_zps30981cdd.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05382_zps30981cdd.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05386_zpsfcdd4a73.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05386_zpsfcdd4a73.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05425_zps4fa75f34.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05425_zps4fa75f34.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05398_zps6e1a68fe.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05398_zps6e1a68fe.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05430_B8B1B1BE_B8B1Bjpg_zps295de879.gif) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05430_B8B1B1BE_B8B1Bjpg_zps295de879.gif.html)







(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05438_B8B1B1BE_zps0b9f1cd5.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05438_B8B1B1BE_zps0b9f1cd5.jpg.html)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/200_zps351f4dc7.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/200_zps351f4dc7.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/300_zpsf04dc05a.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/300_zpsf04dc05a.jpg.html)
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FF3 vs FF4

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/78C8E31B-3A41-4549-AE6E-8200228A39D9-483-000000C8E5A21AE8_zps28027b8f.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/78C8E31B-3A41-4549-AE6E-8200228A39D9-483-000000C8E5A21AE8_zps28027b8f.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/E19E159C-DFF4-4AA2-AC66-4C108B7F519B-483-000000C8DE0228BA_zps0f66e4f3.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/E19E159C-DFF4-4AA2-AC66-4C108B7F519B-483-000000C8DE0228BA_zps0f66e4f3.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/C7DF24E8-6376-40CF-9825-1A77D78653B2-483-000000C2B773219B_zps6ea7f158.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/C7DF24E8-6376-40CF-9825-1A77D78653B2-483-000000C2B773219B_zps6ea7f158.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/AE7F346A-1A37-4FD1-A609-D09057274C46-483-000000C29AEB5809_zps6a0d62e2.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/AE7F346A-1A37-4FD1-A609-D09057274C46-483-000000C29AEB5809_zps6a0d62e2.jpg.html)




Double O-Rings on FF4
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/3F6F3570-21CA-4BAB-89DF-FB1CFDAE37C6-483-000000C2AF8CFB5D_zps9e500276.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/3F6F3570-21CA-4BAB-89DF-FB1CFDAE37C6-483-000000C2AF8CFB5D_zps9e500276.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/F2A9111E-AB6F-436D-B1A1-4D5BDE672E26-483-000000C2BF3E167E_zps0f1c9984.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/F2A9111E-AB6F-436D-B1A1-4D5BDE672E26-483-000000C2BF3E167E_zps0f1c9984.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/07022C68-A135-49AB-9CD7-971BBC638599-483-000000C2C90BC07A_zps1ec84ed1.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/07022C68-A135-49AB-9CD7-971BBC638599-483-000000C2C90BC07A_zps1ec84ed1.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/F1FF4194-1C48-40FD-B5B7-D0499978A5C3-483-000000C2D0BC6A22_zpsc127d786.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/F1FF4194-1C48-40FD-B5B7-D0499978A5C3-483-000000C2D0BC6A22_zpsc127d786.jpg.html)




Thinker metal on head FF4
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/773916B0-52C6-4249-B292-3548EEDD046A-483-000000C2E0BC2A6E_zps60c66a3d.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/773916B0-52C6-4249-B292-3548EEDD046A-483-000000C2E0BC2A6E_zps60c66a3d.jpg.html)




Fire Foxes FF4 and Polarion size comparison:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/096CDC81-F3C0-4A96-A9A8-3298352EA52C-2379-000003E4C373CFD8_zpsb998c514.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/096CDC81-F3C0-4A96-A9A8-3298352EA52C-2379-000003E4C373CFD8_zpsb998c514.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BA1877E3-38FA-45CE-B139-3B1B87C371AF-2379-000003E4B4E8DE57_zpsa826f7a0.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/BA1877E3-38FA-45CE-B139-3B1B87C371AF-2379-000003E4B4E8DE57_zpsa826f7a0.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/7A9A700E-DA0E-4831-A207-DB090E8B5461-2379-000003E4AD6CB06D_zps9b0f8f4a.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/7A9A700E-DA0E-4831-A207-DB090E8B5461-2379-000003E4AD6CB06D_zps9b0f8f4a.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/6185FED6-9530-4917-97E9-7E28A371ED52-2379-000003E4A5B1F621_zpsfc8f4d4b.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/6185FED6-9530-4917-97E9-7E28A371ED52-2379-000003E4A5B1F621_zpsfc8f4d4b.jpg.html)





Infrared Barrel and Lens Test
No Light gets out of any of the cracks where screws on:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/8B693631-E438-43F3-8CBB-C3ED4C6B9AEA-10236-000011696A178927_zps31d4ab08.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/8B693631-E438-43F3-8CBB-C3ED4C6B9AEA-10236-000011696A178927_zps31d4ab08.jpg.html)



760nm Filter so you see red glow. Bump to a 950 and you are covert...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BA08AB2C-F3B8-44B3-A5A7-DFCDCD1C2964-10236-000011696189C733_zpse630fd14.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/BA08AB2C-F3B8-44B3-A5A7-DFCDCD1C2964-10236-000011696189C733_zpse630fd14.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/6172C057-E4C3-4F86-8486-322DFBB883ED-10236-00001169595124B1_zps2f61a251.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/6172C057-E4C3-4F86-8486-322DFBB883ED-10236-00001169595124B1_zps2f61a251.jpg.html)



This is a dive lanyard I use on my Polarion and FF4. Picked it out and Polarion like it so much they started selling them with their units as an accessory. Has some potential tactical uses and you can limit the light hitting the ground if you drop it or stop it from going in the water if on a boat. Working on getting a few of these for a FF4 Kit Light.




Quick attach to belt or loop, Quick detach to allow extended coil use, quick detach from light, Anti drop to surface that is adjustable for your height...


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/6AB055D5-86EF-46B3-96B3-5384F735286D-3776-0000059D8D366BE1_zpsd1cc48c5.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/6AB055D5-86EF-46B3-96B3-5384F735286D-3776-0000059D8D366BE1_zpsd1cc48c5.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/B08540D6-7DF2-4619-BB3E-28934BF2673E-3776-0000059D80B3091E_zpscfed49f3.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/B08540D6-7DF2-4619-BB3E-28934BF2673E-3776-0000059D80B3091E_zpscfed49f3.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/840F9EB6-FC61-4D0E-BDD2-0BA6F6027112-3776-0000059D757DEA56_zpsdcb06849.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/840F9EB6-FC61-4D0E-BDD2-0BA6F6027112-3776-0000059D757DEA56_zpsdcb06849.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/FF4_design_sketch1_zps97ccd766.jpg)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/FF4_with_handle_mount2_zps76e3473e.jpg)







                                    FFIII                                         FFIV

Watts                          42w                                         20w  40w  60w

Lumens                       4000+                                     2600  4000+  6000+

Length                        149mm                                    155mm

Head Diameter             70mm                                     75mm

Body Diameter             49mm                                     49mm

Weight
                         420g                                          -





    FF 4
- 4300K >2500 hr
- 6000 + Lumens on Super High
- Smooth Reflector
- UV Filter Lens
- Size and Weight approx FF3
- HA III Anodizing
- Low 24w  High 40w  Super High 60w
- Thermal Protection (kicks down to 24w)
- IPX7 IP67
- Protected battery carrier
- Safety Lock Out


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Beamshots

Full manual settings: iso200-.5sec-F2.8


I'm up on a big levee looking down in a valley. Deer laying all around...
1st set about 125 yards to tree
2nd set about 60 yards to building


Lights in shoot
Zebralight sc31, Led Zeplin Mod 7 x xre with 3 aspherical, FF3, FF4

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2264_zpsb4723f08.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2264_zpsb4723f08.jpg.html)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2270_zps223637c3.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2270_zps223637c3.jpg.html)




Led Zeplin 7 x xre
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2249_zps0ab056b7.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2249_zps0ab056b7.jpg.html)




FF3 40w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2251_zps5074b73e.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2251_zps5074b73e.jpg.html)




FF4 24w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2253_zps34fa64eb.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2253_zps34fa64eb.jpg.html)




FF4 40w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2254_zps31c68747.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2254_zps31c68747.jpg.html)




FF4 60w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2255_zpsb2405527.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2255_zpsb2405527.jpg.html)




2nd shoot:



Led Zeplin 7 x xre
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2257_zps2df10fc6.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2257_zps2df10fc6.jpg.html)




Zebralight XPG with rcr123  I could see it with my eyes but!
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2259_zpscfdae84d.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2259_zpscfdae84d.jpg.html)




FF3 40w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2258_zps3b7b7256.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2258_zps3b7b7256.jpg.html)




FF4 24w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2260_zps457125a2.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2260_zps457125a2.jpg.html)



FF4 40w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2261_zps714bb07b.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2261_zps714bb07b.jpg.html)



FF4 60w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2262_zps4880b36c.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2262_zps4880b36c.jpg.html)





(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk96/JetskiMark/FF3vsFF4.gif)


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Gladius - Deft (carbon) - FF3 - FF4

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2278_zps2ec65214.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2278_zps2ec65214.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2279_zpsa34b4392.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2279_zpsa34b4392.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2280_zpsbc397906.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2280_zpsbc397906.jpg.html)





Gladius

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2271_zps9397d352.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2271_zps9397d352.jpg.html)




Deft (carbon)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2272_zps0818d3e7.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2272_zps0818d3e7.jpg.html)




FF3 40w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2274_zps84dad4d6.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2274_zps84dad4d6.jpg.html)




FF4 24w


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2275_zps953c28d7.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2275_zps953c28d7.jpg.html)




FF4 40w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2276_zps72613b58.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2276_zps72613b58.jpg.html)






FF4 60w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg.html)








Fire Foxes FF3       2012 Older Version Light Below



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0897.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0911-1.jpg)


    Fire-Foxes II    vs    Fire-Foxes III
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0925.jpg)


Few pics BVH took of FFIII vs Magic Fire

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/ShortyandTallTexMedium.jpg)


Fire Foxes III LOP vs Magic Fire Smooth

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BusinessEndsMedium.jpg)



AKU (very good photographer)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0880.jpg)




AKU
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0896.jpg)



AKU
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0899.jpg)




Fire-Foxes II vs Fire-Foxes I vs Fire-Foxes III
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/111228143944e296a583ed4.jpg)




AKU     FFIII vs FFII vs Microfire Warrior 35w vs Olight X6
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0997.jpg)




Reference pic for size for those that don't have a FFIII
Iphone 4s so not very good pics  :'(





N30, Polarion PH50, Bud Light, FFIII, Polarion Clone, Rayzorlight, Rayzorbeam, Mule

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/7EEC9E05-3D97-44C5-8F5F-1A5BF2DBAF1A-5868-00000B029FE778B8_zps8f320dff.jpg)






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N30, FFIII, Polarion PH50

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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/AE9188A8-E635-4A77-B6DF-0730B74C0A4C-5868-00000B0B317D54C5_zpsd0ddb579.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on February 26, 2013, 08:45:50 AM
Fire Foxes FF4 vs Nitecore SRT 7





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/79100B0D-0928-4394-8A7C-F43621700DA2-12725-00001435B680F204_zps5630c727.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/79100B0D-0928-4394-8A7C-F43621700DA2-12725-00001435B680F204_zps5630c727.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/3F872F4A-1109-4E01-869A-4303713F8B1A-12725-00001435AA8ED602_zps486d601e.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/3F872F4A-1109-4E01-869A-4303713F8B1A-12725-00001435AA8ED602_zps486d601e.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/975BF1C4-C120-4C1C-A59C-58AAE64FCF8B-12725-000014358190E5A3_zps3c38d97f.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/975BF1C4-C120-4C1C-A59C-58AAE64FCF8B-12725-000014358190E5A3_zps3c38d97f.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/31AF9498-8272-4CEF-868D-CEC457A8C2D6-12725-00001435794BB94A_zps3259a52a.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/31AF9498-8272-4CEF-868D-CEC457A8C2D6-12725-00001435794BB94A_zps3259a52a.jpg.html)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/79398739-A596-4778-85C5-7A33D3AAD52F-12725-00001435969C02C1_zps64659205.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/79398739-A596-4778-85C5-7A33D3AAD52F-12725-00001435969C02C1_zps64659205.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/FE5C3B5F-463D-4E09-BAE0-815C9CBD5E9A-12725-00001435A137DD32_zps378c2994.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/FE5C3B5F-463D-4E09-BAE0-815C9CBD5E9A-12725-00001435A137DD32_zps378c2994.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BE58AA59-5349-4199-8D25-101BAC16B4F0-12725-000014358DFE0D0E_zps56fefee6.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/BE58AA59-5349-4199-8D25-101BAC16B4F0-12725-000014358DFE0D0E_zps56fefee6.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/E7576E41-0B32-47A8-8AD3-FCB08A9D198D-12725-000014371D4B0D1F_zps49f89a5a.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/E7576E41-0B32-47A8-8AD3-FCB08A9D198D-12725-000014371D4B0D1F_zps49f89a5a.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/AAE2D74F-1651-4202-AD0E-E8AB11C192F7-12725-00001437300AD76C_zpsd98005ed.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/AAE2D74F-1651-4202-AD0E-E8AB11C192F7-12725-00001437300AD76C_zpsd98005ed.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/C49E5302-CB9B-486F-8148-FCB22FE36270-12725-000014373A273318_zps229196bb.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/C49E5302-CB9B-486F-8148-FCB22FE36270-12725-000014373A273318_zps229196bb.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/93BE6938-B957-49D1-8C74-8D7C430B5C69-12725-0000143725AEC814_zps59823e06.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/93BE6938-B957-49D1-8C74-8D7C430B5C69-12725-0000143725AEC814_zps59823e06.jpg.html)






Interested in the Light List
                                                                           Colored numbers mean your interest in light for a friend also...

1.   Lips  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
2.   Kiely23 (G)
3.   BVH  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
4.   Darkgear (H)  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
5.   amaretto (G)
6.   hjelpestikker (G)
7.   ma_sha1  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
8.   ersecu (V)
9.   ersecu (V) Kira
10. nyctophobia
11. Heiko (G) 
12. jmpaul320
13. windstrings   
14. dcb1076
15. jayrob    PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
16. Larry K  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
17. walterr839   PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
18. LuxLuthor  (xtra carrier) PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
19. sma (G)
20. Turbo-Siggi (G)
21. Chicago X
22. slow2go
23. aeroflash
24. JetSkiMark
25. hoop
26. Colonel Sanders (2 lights) (xtra carrier)
27. lebox97
28. LaserLarry  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
29. TomInOregon (xtra carrier)
30. tonyd
31. Lauri_L (E)  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED Consulting
32. xmint
33. Stollman (xtra carrier) (Lens)
34. Doberman (G) (xtra carrier)
35. Dmitriyrus (R)
36. Ro.Ma. (I)  Multiple Units TBD
            Gexil    (Geremia D.)     PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
            Ro.Ma. ( Roberto M.)    PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
Antoninodattola  (Antonino D.)  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
            Alex74 (Alessandro L.)  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
            Srad78 (Angela F.)        PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
      alessior100 (Alessio R.)       PAID 2ND B SHIPPED

37. troisanh  Money Order 2ND B
38. Rogi
39. andi25252
40. snypr
41. kashmir (xtra carrier)
42. one2tim
43. mhemling33  (3 Lights)  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED(One Light
44. teej
45. wingsnoles
46. KarstGhost
47. sledhead
48. ncristia
49. PhantomPhoton
50. CNR
51. Bullet Bob
52. BarryH
53. lawallac   PAID SHIPPED
54. CASEY1  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
55. Dismukesinity    PAID SHIPPED
56. marksmandowntown
57. mofonator
58. Ginseng
59. Rovert
60. Chris Dallas
61.
62. Taschenlampe Dude  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
63. ENFORCER
64. ronrog69
65. [pyro] (2 lights) (2 xtra carrier)
66. ampdude (2 xtra carrier)
67. tonnes  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
68. rdrfronty PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
69. daveam
70. doslyn (xtra carrier)
71. BeastFlashlight (xtra carrier)
72. cchurchi  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
73. slick_squeakers  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
74. write2dgray
75. N2DEEP
76. nitekayak   PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
77. InfinitusEquitas
78. 1sicklt1ta
79. kemosabex (2 Lights)
80. sal415
81. Dave_5280
82. Scott (2 Lights) PAID  SHIPPED
83. rejsr PAID SHIPPED
84. Jerrycobra  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
85. bigpond1966  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
86. Alex1234  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
87. BeamEd  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
88.  FTL (CPF) caseng (BLF)  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
89. nueces  PAID 2ND B SHIPPED
90.

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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: kiely23 on February 26, 2013, 06:52:28 PM
I am in!  8)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Geologist on February 26, 2013, 09:12:07 PM
Sounds nice, especially @ 6000 lumens :o - I'm tapped but can't wait to see it!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Darkgear on February 27, 2013, 12:27:30 AM
Sign me up for one.  I'm in :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on February 27, 2013, 05:55:46 AM
Of course I'm in on this!  Thanks, Lips!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: amaretto on February 27, 2013, 07:11:57 AM
Please put me on the list for one  :drool:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: hjelpestikker on February 27, 2013, 08:14:04 AM
Hi Vic,

please sign me up for one.  I'm in  :D

Bernd
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on February 27, 2013, 10:06:00 AM


List Updated  ;)



I haven't seen pics of the light so don't have any more info than what's in first post. I'll advise asap...


I submitted thread to google and it's crawled now so it shows up on a google search of Firefoxes IV





May want to stock up on batteries if you need them before light arrives: I don't know if battery carrier has been enlarged. This light is made for Unprotected 18650 like the FFIII. Most protected cells are too large to easily fit. Protection is built into the battery carrier... I believe light is 2mm longer than FFIII but not sure where...

This site has Panasonic 3400 mah (unprotected, which is what type you want with this light) listed at $8 a piece. Not sure what they want for shipping or if it's free. Cheapest I've seen. Please post if you know of a cheaper source...

http://www.bestvaping.net/panasonic-ncr18650b-3400mah-37v-liion-battery-with-button-top-without-pcb-p-844.html (http://www.bestvaping.net/panasonic-ncr18650b-3400mah-37v-liion-battery-with-button-top-without-pcb-p-844.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: kiely23 on February 27, 2013, 12:06:00 PM
2x Panasonic 3400mAH for $17.95  incl. shipping !
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001980/1141100-panasonic-ncr18650b-rechargeable-3400mah-37v-18650 (http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001980/1141100-panasonic-ncr18650b-rechargeable-3400mah-37v-18650)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: nyctophobia on February 27, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
I'm in...
please sign me up for one. 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: jmpaul320 on February 28, 2013, 03:00:54 PM
I am in. please add me
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: windstrings on February 28, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
Add me to the list... Any pics yet of how big?
Specifics yet?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: dcb1076 on February 28, 2013, 05:12:42 PM
Hello. I am intetested. Thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Larry K on February 28, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
Count me in.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: walterr839 on February 28, 2013, 07:10:56 PM
put me on the list
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on February 28, 2013, 08:31:53 PM
Lips, thanks for email.  Interested depending on details.  Have you played with a sample version yet--as the devil is in the details, ballast quality, etc. What was the lumens of the FF3 for comparisons again?  That was an awesome light especially during our 10 day power outage during Hurricane Sandy, and again the heavy snow storm.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ma_sha1 on February 28, 2013, 09:32:16 PM
Lips,

Thanks for doing the GB & putting me in  8)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: sma on February 28, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
[had already pm'ed, but better here also]

I'm interested,

in two lights. I'd arrange and pay for both, please tag the other interest with "Turbo-Siggi", both us (G)

Thanks'n'cheers!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Chicago X on February 28, 2013, 10:12:11 PM
Hello,

I would like to be added to the interest list; thanks very much for putting this GB together.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 01, 2013, 01:14:46 AM
I pm'd all guys that bought FFIII so late tonight after working late I'll clean up list as I've got emails and post to list. Gotta figure out what goes where.


I'll post some thoughts too.


Toppe posted these on CPF and interesting to look at: Labsphere FS2 of FF III vs Polarion PH40

FF III
http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/FF3_LabsphereFS2.png (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/FF3_LabsphereFS2.png)

Polarion PH40
http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/PH40_LabsphereFS2.png (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/PH40_LabsphereFS2.png)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: slow2go on March 01, 2013, 02:12:02 AM
Count me in....
regards
Slow2go
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: aeroflash on March 01, 2013, 05:02:12 AM
I'll take one.


                      Thanks Lips
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: JetskiMark on March 01, 2013, 05:34:10 AM
Lips, thank you for the PM.

Decisions, decisions. I have been thinking about the DEFT-X and the Nitecore TM26. I just got a Zebralight S6330 which I really like. Now the Fire-Foxes IV sounds really interesting. I really could use a Spy 007 however. All in different classes, yet all so very appealing.

I'm not sure what I will end up buying, but I am interested.

I suppose a flashaholic should buy all of them. Ah, first world problems.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 01, 2013, 12:07:14 PM
[had already pm'ed, but better here also]

I'm interested,

in two lights. I'd arrange and pay for both, please tag the other interest with "Turbo-Siggi", both us (G)

Thanks'n'cheers!

Hello sma (sven)

can't find PM or Email.

Got you on list with friend. I have two people that are getting lights for friends. Check list in post 2 and see if I have it correct. ersecu is the other that wants light for friend. Hope I'm not getting it all mixed up.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 01, 2013, 01:35:26 PM
.
.
.
Please check list to see if I made any mistakes...





Add me to the list... Any pics yet of how big?
Specifics yet?

Haven't seen pic yet but suspect it will look similar to FFIII. I believe it will be only 2mm longer. All specs I know for sure in 1st post. I asked for pic and more info but I'm sure he wants to keep it close to vest. Magic fire or others will try and copy so I don't blame him. Its been in the works since before FFIII shipped. A 100w long range hid light was cancelled for now. The 60w super high on FF IV passed test with the 4 battery setup. Part of some feedback I gave on FFIII was for an extension tube so 8 batteries could be used. Don't know if that went anywhere but would be nice, especially at 60w to the bulb.








Lips, thanks for email.  Interested depending on details.  Have you played with a sample version yet--as the devil is in the details, ballast quality, etc. What was the lumens of the FF3 for comparisons again?  That was an awesome light especially during our 10 day power outage during Hurricane Sandy, and again the heavy snow storm.


Thought about you and a few other guys when the storm hit...


FFIII was 4100 lumens out the front certified...  Polarion PH40 certified at around 3000 lumens out the front

FF III
http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/FF3_LabsphereFS2.png (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/FF3_LabsphereFS2.png)

Polarion PH40

http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/PH40_LabsphereFS2.png (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/PH40_LabsphereFS2.png)


FF IV will be 6000 + out the front!


Haven't seen the light but this is a progression of Shine's lights, FFI - FF4. He's done other lights also. I know he's progressed the ballast as the FFI had problems with immature ballast. Parts were changed out on the FFIII ballast that made it much quieter than pre-production units. Changes were made after the units we did here last time that made FFIII quieter than the ones we got... If I was a buyer I wouldn't be too nervous. (I'm nervous as intermediary) simply because it's a multi-stage ballast giving chance that someone not familiar with HID will simply click-click-click-click from stage to stage till it breaks... I don't think the ballast on this is a total new design so it should be mature... The light is so small there are some compromises on the way it's built. I don't like the way the bulb is mounted as it leaves no way to adjust (easily) and it's not easy for those putting light together to get it exactly right. Very small margin for error to get it perfect... I wouldn't mind a little bigger light with a little bigger/deeper reflector. Faster start-up like the Polarion, that has to come at some point to keep up with the LED searchlights. Probably FF V on faster start-up which will be hard with just 4 batteries... I believe it's going to be a good light and he made some substantial upgrades while holding down the cost. I gotta have it!









Lips,

Thanks for doing the GB & putting me in  8)


Your welcome! You actually reminded me about the light so I got off my butt and checked on things. I lol when I saw your post on the Chinese forum about the Smooth reflector. Thanks for your insights and feedback as they had impact on changes made to the light. I don't have any control but I sure sent allot of emails with feedback to Fire Foxes.









Lips, thank you for the PM.

Decisions, decisions. I have been thinking about the DEFT-X and the Nitecore TM26. I just got a Zebralight S6330 which I really like. Now the Fire-Foxes IV sounds really interesting. I really could use a Spy 007 however. All in different classes, yet all so very appealing.

I'm not sure what I will end up buying, but I am interested.

I suppose a flashaholic should buy all of them. Ah, first world problems.


Man I hear ya. We got the flashlight sickness. With the feature set of the FF IV you shouldn't have any problem getting your money back if you decide to sell it. 24w 40w 60w multi stage switchable ballast HID with SMO reflector safety lockout putting out 6000 + lumens in the size of a beer can that's 1/4 the price of a Polarion. You gotta have it!

.

.

.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Colonel Sanders on March 01, 2013, 02:31:12 PM
Put me on the list please!   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lebox97 on March 01, 2013, 06:10:39 PM
I'd be interest in 1 as well..  :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on March 01, 2013, 09:34:09 PM
Lips thanks for those links and extra details.  Of course it goes without saying to be on this GB list.  Thanks again for doing it for all of us!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LaserLarry on March 01, 2013, 09:59:21 PM
Thank You. I am in. :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: TomInOregon on March 01, 2013, 10:15:56 PM
Please add me to the list.  Very interested in this light!  Thank you.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: sma on March 01, 2013, 11:18:13 PM
Hello sma (sven)
can't find PM or Email. 
Indeed! can't find any sent items either. Sorry, some error must've escaped me.

Quote from: Lips
Got you on list with friend. I have two people that are getting lights for friends. Check list in post 2 and see if I have it correct.
ersecu is the other that wants light for friend. Hope I'm not getting it all mixed up. 

It's correct as is :thumbup:.  Thanks for taking care, Lips!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: tonyd on March 02, 2013, 09:08:44 PM
I might as well join the fun, Add me to the list.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lauri_L on March 02, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
Hello Lips. Please count me in for 1pc FF IV..., ready to arrange payment in advance, thanks!

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 03, 2013, 04:18:19 AM
I might as well join the fun, Add me to the list.


Alright Tony!






List Updated:






Guys and Gals (now!) Listed on Fire Foxes website now as one and only one contact for USA with some other changes as well. No pinch hitters allowed!  :lowbatts:

http://fire-foxes.com/common.asp?class=5 (http://fire-foxes.com/common.asp?class=5)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: hjelpestikker on March 03, 2013, 08:54:23 AM
Hello Vic,

"Guys and Gals (now!) Listed on Fire Foxes website now as one and only one contact for USA with some other changes as well."

CONGRATULATIONS !   :thumbup:

Bernd
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stollman on March 03, 2013, 10:37:40 PM
Add me to the list.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 04, 2013, 11:43:12 AM

Reference pic for size for those that don't have a FFIII
Iphone 4s so not very good pics  :'(





N30, Polarion PH50, Bud Light, FFIII, Polarion Clone, Rayzorlight, Rayzorbeam, Mule

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/7EEC9E05-3D97-44C5-8F5F-1A5BF2DBAF1A-5868-00000B029FE778B8_zps8f320dff.jpg)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/61CE4074-D0FD-476C-B260-C74E55B005C5-5868-00000B029734E552_zps44cac3b0.jpg)







(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/64E0D3B7-5558-4BF9-9C36-8E4907BC16A7-5868-00000B028E6313B5_zpsfce355fe.jpg)




N30, FFIII, Polarion PH50

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/E85036FE-0243-4313-B43B-AACD9D0A1BD1-5868-00000B0B3E314FC2_zps4b132fe3.jpg)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/AE9188A8-E635-4A77-B6DF-0730B74C0A4C-5868-00000B0B317D54C5_zpsd0ddb579.jpg)



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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: doberman on March 04, 2013, 09:04:59 PM
Hi all.
I would also like to join the GB and expand my FF-family. Shipping to GER seems possible from the list i see...
Appreciate that initiative.

Thanks
Doberman
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Dmitriyrus on March 04, 2013, 10:51:05 PM
Hi Lips!
I want to buy one FF4. Please write me a list.
I have Polarion PH50 and I recently bought the Xeray 75W.
I very much want to compare FF4 !
I live in Russia.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: xmint on March 05, 2013, 02:55:43 AM
Hi Lips here finally :)) thanks!

and thanks to admin for sorting things,

Please confirm my interest for 1
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 05, 2013, 08:03:37 AM




List Updated
  :thumbup:






Not the FF IV but some nice pics to review...




hmm, where is the switch going to go...or is it a switch ???    (I have no idea)










(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0897.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0911-1.jpg)


    Fire-Foxes II    vs    Fire-Foxes III
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0925.jpg)


Few pics BVH took of FFIII vs Magic Fire

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/ShortyandTallTexMedium.jpg)


Fire Foxes LOP vs Magic Fire Smooth
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BusinessEndsMedium.jpg)



AKU (very good photographer)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0880.jpg)




AKU
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0896.jpg)



AKU
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0899.jpg)




Fire-Foxes II vs Fire-Foxes I vs Fire-Foxes III
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/111228143944e296a583ed4.jpg)




AKU     FFIII vs FFII vs Microfire Warrior 35w vs Olight X6
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_0997.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Dmitriyrus on March 05, 2013, 09:42:10 AM
Power increased. 60W - this is not a joke ...
Can has sense to think of IMR?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 05, 2013, 12:37:29 PM
Power increased. 60W - this is not a joke ...
Can has sense to think of IMR?


Welcome fellows!


BVH did test on the FFIII

52 input watts and 41.86 watts at bulb ranging from 3.5 to 4 amps depending on voltage. 4 cells into that although you have heavier pull at startup.

FFIV will be more but I believe they have run test for quite a while now. You need quality cells though Panasonic, Sanyo etc.

Perhaps Bob will chime in on what he found during his test. ( I think he has a video of it? )


Single 18650 XML lights are hitting the battery with 3 amps...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: enlightened pilgrim on March 06, 2013, 01:23:04 AM
I'm in!

@ Lips: Please put me on the list for one FF4. I'm located in Germany. Many thanks!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Rogi on March 06, 2013, 12:20:20 PM


I'm in
please sign me up for one
Thank's Rogi
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: andi25252 on March 07, 2013, 09:09:07 AM
Hi Lips,

please add me for 1 FF4 on your list.

Regards and greetings from Ol` Germany
Andi
ps
will be my first HID to top my
2000+ Lumen LED Lights  :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: snypr on March 08, 2013, 02:28:48 AM
ok, im down for one.......my FF3 is still brand new and in box with card and all....guess I am more of a collector than a user....
anywho, count me in for one....
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on March 08, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Power increased. 60W - this is not a joke ...
Can has sense to think of IMR?


Welcome fellows!


BVH did test on the FFIII

52 input watts and 41.86 watts at bulb ranging from 3.5 to 4 amps depending on voltage. 4 cells into that although you have heavier pull at startup.

FFIV will be more but I believe they have run test for quite a while now. You need quality cells though Panasonic, Sanyo etc.

Perhaps Bob will chime in on what he found during his test. ( I think he has a video of it? )


Single 18650 XML lights are hitting the battery with 3 amps...

I looked at all my Youtube Videos and unfortunately, my video was of the MagicFire Magic Scorpion, not the FF3.  But I don't have an Ammeter capable of measuring inrush current so I could not provide start-up Amps anyway.

Good to see JetSkiMark here.  Haven't "seen" you in ages, seems like.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: kashmir on March 09, 2013, 12:45:05 AM
Hi Lips,
 
    Sign me up also, thanks! Been watching this thread the last few days and can't resist anymore...

    kashmir
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: one2tim on March 11, 2013, 09:20:44 PM
Sign me up also, thanks :)
The FF3 have been a great experience.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Darkgear on March 12, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
I got batteries from Fasttech today. Thanks kiely23.  These things are short.  A hair under 65mm.  Fasttech has 3400 mAh protected cells that are 69.4mm too.  Those might fit and since they are protected they could be used for other things that do not have the protection circuit built in.

Randy
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on March 12, 2013, 10:34:46 PM
Got mine from Fasttech yesterday.  So "got Batteries" but "Got No Flashlight"!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: snypr on March 16, 2013, 02:08:22 AM
Got my pany 3400s today too......work awesome in my FF3 (damn thing is crazy bright!!!)....cant wait for the FFIV to come out.....
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on March 16, 2013, 07:32:11 AM
2x Panasonic 3400mAH for $17.95  incl. shipping !
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001980/1141100-panasonic-ncr18650b-rechargeable-3400mah-37v-18650 (http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001980/1141100-panasonic-ncr18650b-rechargeable-3400mah-37v-18650)

Yeah, thanks for that link, Kiely!   Got my Pannies too!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 16, 2013, 08:47:53 AM
Ordered some from below. Never heard back from them...

http://www.bestvaping.net/panasonic-ncr18650b-3400mah-37v-liion-battery-with-button-top-without-pcb-p-844.html (http://www.bestvaping.net/panasonic-ncr18650b-3400mah-37v-liion-battery-with-button-top-without-pcb-p-844.html)


on to Fasttech






Little Update:

Some type of extended run-time bolt on or screw on carry handle for Fire Foxes in sample stage and may come out at same time as Fire Foxes IV. Mounting to tripod etc. This would be an accessory.

Not saying it's for IV at the moment but for other three versions of the HID lights. Will do both 3s or 4s


Not an official update as to what it is exactly but something is coming... Haven't seen it. If I'm understanding this correctly you put extra batteries in handle for more run-time on say the FF III... I would guess it would be an extension tube with a handle on it... I'll try and get some updates...



Also I said 2 millimeters longer but it's 2 centimeters longer


This is not it but someone who saw it said the handle looked similar to a Jetbeam rrt 3 handle. I don't know if it's an extension tube or if it even looks remotely similar or what at this point...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/jet3_zps74bdb460.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/jet1_zps2ad93ef6.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: mhemling33 on March 17, 2013, 02:06:42 AM
Could you add me to the list please  :D

also for the fastech batteries use coupon code BLF it drops it down to $17.05
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on March 17, 2013, 03:37:33 PM
Lips, are you saying that FF4 is nearly an inch longer than FF3?


Also I said 2 millimeters longer but it's 2 centimeters longer

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: teej on March 17, 2013, 05:31:54 PM
Add me in too!

- Thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: wingsnoles on March 17, 2013, 07:33:07 PM
Add me Please! Thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: KarstGhost on March 17, 2013, 07:43:08 PM
New to this particular flashlight forum!

Please sign me up, I'm all in. Thank you.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Light on March 17, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
Could you add me to the list please  :D

also for the fastech batteries use coupon code BLF it drops it down to $17.05

Missed knowing about that, but just going back now didn't see a place to enter that coupon unless it is after you enter your PayPal payment step.

Lips,  I found the FF3 heat buildup to be the limiting factor, so would doubt extra battery supply would be a practical benefit.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: mhemling33 on March 17, 2013, 11:38:12 PM
Missed knowing about that, but just going back now didn't see a place to enter that coupon unless it is after you enter your PayPal payment step.

Lips,  I found the FF3 heat buildup to be the limiting factor, so would doubt extra battery supply would be a practical benefit.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s636/mhemling33/a9aab4b6-d1a5-490b-a99e-76acf668efed_zpsd181d544.jpg)

You have to view your shopping cart to see this. If you go right to checkout it wont appear.

Lips you might want to add that to the op too ;)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: sledhead on March 18, 2013, 02:18:05 AM

 Well, I'd appreciate it if you add me to the list!  Sorry about it being my 1st post. See I'm not alone though. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ncristia on March 18, 2013, 03:42:04 AM
I'm in.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 18, 2013, 05:53:02 AM
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List updated  ;)






Lips, are you saying that FF4 is nearly an inch longer than FF3?


Also I said 2 millimeters longer but it's 2 centimeters longer


Had to break out the ruler! 2 centimeters longer or just over 3/4 inch, yes. They should have emphasized the metric system way back when I/we were in grade school.  :-[

I believe the added length is to accommodate the selectable power switch 24w (2600 lumen) 40w (4100 lumen) 60w (6100 lumen) which will be located on the side of the light. The power-on switch in the rear and a lockout switch also in the rear for safety... The safety switch is a nice addition for a backpack carry, not to mention the car and house with kids around.








Lips,  I found the FF3 heat buildup to be the limiting factor, so would doubt extra battery supply would be a practical benefit.


For sure, especially with 6000 lumens out the front in a small package it'll get hot with extended use. The IV will have thermal protection built-in also like the III and my understanding is it will kick the power down to 24w (around 2600 lumens) when it gets too hot. The handle will give the option to take your hand off the light and heat or I imagine you can still hold the light with the handle on. Most of the time I just play around with the FFIII for short run-times. Having power output selection with the ability to start out at 24w (2600 lumens) should do allot for heat management and battery capacity management. No waiting for the light to thermally kicking down to 24w to conserve heat or the battery. I think it's going to be an accessory so the good thing is you have options. Use the light as a shorty with ability to change out spare batteries for more run-time or put the handle-battery carrier on for special missions!








You have to view your shopping cart to see this. If you go right to checkout it wont appear.

Lips you might want to add that to the op too ;)


Added to OP, thanks mhemling33!



Ref by kiely23
2x Panasonic 3400mAH for $17.95  incl. shipping !
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001980/1141100-panasonic-ncr18650b-rechargeable-3400mah-37v-18650 (http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001980/1141100-panasonic-ncr18650b-rechargeable-3400mah-37v-18650)

mhemling33 referred code BLF for extra 5% off at Fasttech    :thumbup:
You have to view your shopping cart to see this. If you go right to checkout it wont appear.






Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: PhantomPhoton on March 18, 2013, 08:17:17 AM
I haven't had a new hid in awhile, put me in!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: CNR on March 18, 2013, 07:50:17 PM
Hi, count me in please  :)

I'm in Europe, where do the lights will be shipped from ?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Bullet Bob on March 18, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
I signed up here as I am a memeber on the other forum and was told about the group buy here for the FF4 and I would like to get one as well.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BarryH on March 21, 2013, 02:45:24 AM
Please sign me up as well  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on March 21, 2013, 11:19:35 AM
I'll buy one for sure!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: CASEY1 on March 21, 2013, 05:28:50 PM
 Please count me in also.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Dismukesinity on March 21, 2013, 11:01:48 PM
I'd like one too/add me.

www.AdamDismukes.com (http://www.AdamDismukes.com)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: marksmandowntown on March 22, 2013, 02:40:14 AM
Interested. Please add me.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on March 22, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
Too bad its longer than FF3 but I guess it's still shorter than the Magic Fire and might actually be nicer for large-handed people
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: mofonator on March 22, 2013, 03:38:42 PM
I will Take one.Please add me to the list.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Ginseng on March 22, 2013, 05:20:04 PM
Hello,
I was referred to this GB and I'm interested. Please put me on the list.
Thanks!
Wilkey
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Ginseng on March 22, 2013, 05:54:38 PM
BTW,
What's the intel on how long it takes to drop back to low from continuous medium or high?
Wilkey
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Rovert on March 23, 2013, 03:32:01 AM
Directed here from CPF
Please add me in also
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 23, 2013, 06:19:57 AM
List Updated...





BTW,
What's the intel on how long it takes to drop back to low from continuous medium or high?
Wilkey



Not sure yet Wilkey. On the 40w FFIII I've seen times all over the place depending on ambient temps and whether user was walking the dog or running for test purposes... 6 mins 15min etc...  On my unit I only had it kick down to 24w on a test as I rarely ran it for long durations...

20 more watts from the already bright 40w should be a nice pop in power and throw with the SMO reflector. I imagine a nice pop in heat too on super high.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: TomInOregon on March 24, 2013, 05:39:07 PM
So we know it wil be 2cm longer, is the diameter still going to be the same as FFIII as far as you know? I already have a case ordered with a little bit wiggle room for variance.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BelgianEvo on March 24, 2013, 07:00:54 PM
I would like one to, but i'm located in Europe (Belgium).

Dunno if it's possible to ship it over here.....

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 25, 2013, 05:39:54 AM
I would like one to, but i'm located in Europe (Belgium).

Dunno if it's possible to ship it over here.....



On list, no problem
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 25, 2013, 05:46:38 AM
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.
UPDATE:


Not sure if this is totally final...





Looks like it's only a tad bit longer than FFIII
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/FF4_design_sketch1_zps97ccd766.jpg)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/FF4_with_handle_mount2_zps76e3473e.jpg)



                                    FFIII                                         FFIV

Watts                          42w                                         20w  40w  60w

Lumens                       4000+                                     2600  4000+  6000+

Length                        149mm                                    155mm

Head Diameter             70mm                                     75mm

Body Diameter             49mm                                     49mm

Weight
                         420g                                          -




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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: xmint on March 26, 2013, 09:19:54 AM
Hi

Nearly April any ETA yet?

Cheers

w
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stereodude on March 27, 2013, 12:02:13 PM
Before I put my name on the list, is there somewhere I can find out more about how the FF4 "protects" unprotected 18650 cells?  Putting multiple unprotected 18650s cells in series gives me serious pause unless it's being handled correctly.  Or can it use protected cells like the Keeppower 3400's that are popular?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Colonel Sanders on March 27, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
I have a FF3 and I can tell you that it shuts down when the voltage gets down to what amounts to about 2.6-2.7v running voltage per cell (the cells bounce back nicely to around 3.3-3.4v if I recall which is good.)  It has no way of knowing what the individual cell's voltage is so it's important that quality like cells be used.  That simply means that new high quality matching cells bought at the same time should be used.

Protected cells can and have been used in the FF3 light by cutting the negative contact springs shorter....not a major operation.  I have not done this but I can see that it would be quick and simple to do.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stereodude on March 28, 2013, 01:16:17 AM
It has no way of knowing what the individual cell's voltage is so it's important that quality like cells be used.
Hmm, that makes unprotected cells a non-starter for me.

Quote
That simply means that new high quality matching cells bought at the same time should be used.
Well, that alone doesn't guarantee matching cells. It just makes it more likely.  You should still measure and match the iR and capacity.

Quote
Protected cells can and have been used in the FF3 light by cutting the negative contact springs shorter....not a major operation.  I have not done this but I can see that it would be quick and simple to do.
Will the battery carrier be any larger in the FF4 to provide a little more room for protected cells so the wrappers don't get torn?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Colonel Sanders on March 28, 2013, 05:38:55 AM
"Well, that alone doesn't guarantee matching cells. It just makes it more likely."

I agree 100% and that's why I do my own testing on every cell I buy, but most people won't...so that makes it very important that they buy only the highest quality cells.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Colonel Sanders on March 28, 2013, 05:41:45 AM
"[/b]Will the battery carrier be any larger in the FF4 to provide a little more room for protected cells so the wrappers don't get torn?[/b]"

With the FF3 I didn't find the width to be a problem at all (as was the case with the Magic Scorpion)...only the length and only if you wanted to use protected cells.
   
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Colonel Sanders on March 28, 2013, 06:09:13 AM
"It has no way of knowing what the individual cell's voltage is so it's important that quality like cells be used."

I need to retract that statement.  That's an assumption on my part and I apologize.  I do not know.  Though I've had the carrier mostly apart and I don't see how it could...I am certainly not an expert so please disregard anything I've said on the matter. :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 28, 2013, 09:12:55 AM
Hi

Nearly April any ETA yet?

Cheers

w

Hey W


Manufacturer is set but I would bet late rather than early.  :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 28, 2013, 09:21:13 AM
Hey it’s late so rambling!

I’ll check on the battery carrier and see if it has changed from the FF III to the FF IV and get clarification on how it works exactly. As CS said I believe it checks the pack as a whole and uses algorithm of 4 cells and when to trip.  I’ll see if the battery carrier was enlarged to take high capacity protected cells that users may already have…

I remember asking what was the recommended battery for the FF III and it was good quality unprotected cells…




This is the description of the FF III battery carrier.

Power Supply = Battery rack, user can change the batterys, short-circuit, reverse polarity, over discharging protection, and low voltage indicator (LED).





On the FF III my test have come out like this:


If you put only 3 charged batteries in carrier it won’t activate. I knows only 3 batteries however installed in carrier (including hot + you can find through continuity test)

If you put 3 charged batteries in carrier and one bad battery it will carrier LED will light but the light will flash and cut off.

If you put 3 charged batteries in carrier and one very low battery the carrier LED will light and the light will either flash and turn off or run for a little time… The low voltage flashing led on the on-off button is a heads up if you think you have 4 good fresh batteries in there and don’t.

I’ve ran harvested unprotected batteries from a laptop in the FF III. After a minute or so the LED on the back of the battery carrier flashed low voltage (you can see it on the on-off button)


Under the load of the ballast the carrier is looking to trip. 



Making the carrier a little longer (which could be done without making the light longer) and still having shorter unprotected cells keep positive connection would be the best all around simple solution from where I sit for sure. Although the light was designed for unprotected cells I can’t see much down side in making a little room. 5 protection circuits working together with 4 brands of batteries and the light being sent back because it trips circuit and doesn’t work. (Best reason I can think of at the moment…)


The Polarion searchlight, Xeray searchlight, Ebay HID’s and others use unprotected cells with a protection circuit. To my knowledge the cells and protection are grouped in  4’s. I’ve had 4 Polarion battery packs go bad probably due to a couple of cells going bad leaving a $200 pile of batteries… The Fire-Foxes requires you to cycle the cells in a battery charger (no charging in pack) when they get low each time and tested by your charger. A protected cell is an unprotected cell with a circuit attached… In high powered lights with multiple cells searchlight makers may be thinking the end users puts w-x-y-z batteries in the light, an individual cell protection circuit trips and now the light is defective…

I was looking at the TK 75 battery carrier and I see that you can fit most protected cells in it. I was wondering if anyone knows if it has a protection circuit built in for someone who runs unprotected cells in the light? I think Fire-Foxes had to put a protection circuit in the carrier. A safety lockout on the rear of the FF IV was added also.


Having said that I was planning on getting a good number of extra battery carriers for those that wanted to cut the springs or just to have an extra.  I need to check and see what’s what and if they would even be needed or wanted…






Custom battery rack so user can change the batteries of your choice. Protected for short-circuit, reverse polarity, over discharge with low voltage indicator.
   
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/FF3E.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: xmint on March 28, 2013, 10:42:53 AM
Hi

Nearly April any ETA yet?

Cheers

w

Hey W


Manufacturer is set but I would bet late rather than early.  :)

Hi Lips

Thanks for the info! 'All good things etc' as they say    :(


As to peoples concerns over unprotected batteries, Using a hobby charger would  help one keep an eye on individual cells of a set. I am now using one and am finding it very useful? in detecting variations within a set of cells.

I don't think there is anything special about the TK75's carrier, they recommend the use of their own protected batteries (of course) and discourage the use of unprotected cells.

Even allowing for the size issue, would there be many types of protected batteries that would not trip with the requirements of the 4? AWs and Sanyo?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stereodude on March 28, 2013, 11:53:12 AM
The Polarion searchlight, Xeray searchlight, Ebay HID’s and others use unprotected cells with a protection circuit. To my knowledge the cells and protection are grouped in  4’s. I’ve had 4 Polarion battery packs go bad probably due to a couple of cells going bad leaving a $200 pile of batteries… The Fire-Foxes requires you to cycle the cells in a battery charger (no charging in pack) when they get low each time and tested by your charger. A protected cell is an unprotected cell with a circuit attached… In high powered lights with multiple cells searchlight makers may be thinking the end users puts w-x-y-z batteries in the light, an individual cell protection circuit trips and now the light is defective…

The safest way to use multiple Li-Ion cells in series is for the protection circuit to monitor each cells voltage in addition to total pack voltage, short circuit, over current, etc.  This protects against unbalanced cells or cells that become unbalanced if one cell in the pack fails before the otheres.  Lots of devices use unprotected cells in packs, like laptops.  They also monitor individual cell voltage.  Something like the Polarion or Xeray I'm not sure what it does, but they do have the advantage of coming with prematched cells that the user can't unmatch by separating them and using them independently.  My guess is the fear of fires and lawsuits means the packs are as protected as possible.

I know in the RC world with LiPo's total pack voltage is watched, not individual cells, but presumably the packs are matched at the factory before they're wrapped, and you're also not holding the battery pack in a sealed metal tube in your hand either.

If the FF4 battery carrier doesn't monitor individual cell voltage it seems like the next best thing to do would be to lengthen the carrier ~3mm (vs. the FF3 carrier) to accommodate protected cells for people who want the extra level of protection.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stereodude on March 28, 2013, 03:24:57 PM

Even allowing for the size issue, would there be many types of protected batteries that would not trip with the requirements of the 4? AWs and Sanyo?


That depends on the current inrush to the Ballast of the FF4.  AW's 3100 seems to be ~3C.  I haven't seen any data on the AW 3400.  The protected Keeppower 3100 & 3400's were tested to trip at ~3.5C.  That seems make the Keeppower protected Panasonic cells a viable option also.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: teej on March 28, 2013, 05:47:26 PM
I use 18650 IMRs in some lights where unprotected cells could go, as they support very high amperage, don't go poof much, etc.

I don't have many unprotected 18650's handy..but I do have plenty of IMR versions.

Does anyone see a reason to not use IMR's in the light (Other than then having 2,250 mah instead of 3,400 mah, etc?)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 28, 2013, 08:25:57 PM




I don't think there is anything special about the TK75's carrier, they recommend the use of their own protected batteries (of course) and discourage the use of unprotected cells.

Even allowing for the size issue, would there be many types of protected batteries that would not trip with the requirements of the 4? AWs and Sanyo?


AW's and Sanyos and Panasonics etc would be perfect. The high powered LED lights out now are spanking the 18650's harder than the FFIII does to get to 3000 lumens.

An older cell or ultrafire or cheap ebay 18650 may trip. You could have a protection circuit broken or malfunctioning. Most protected cells would be fine as many are using them. You have backup protection with the carrier if using a bad protected cells.




I'm surprised the Fenix TK75 an RC 40 don't have any protection built into the battery carrier. (If that's so). What if you pick up unprotected cells (they look alike!) or an inexperienced user and run the light down (no low voltage cut-off). Also reverse polarity by putting the cells in backwards... My thinking is the carrier has to be protected to start out with and then move to additional protection from there...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: CNR on March 28, 2013, 10:42:27 PM
....Does anyone see a reason to not use IMR's in the light (Other than then having 2,250 mah instead of 3,400 mah, etc?)..

My question also
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on March 29, 2013, 07:00:17 AM
....Does anyone see a reason to not use IMR's in the light (Other than then having 2,250 mah instead of 3,400 mah, etc?)..

My question also


I don't think there is any reason why IMR's can't be used in the FF's or pretty much any light...   :thumbup:





Long email sent on getting PROTECTED CELLS into the battery carrier for extra protection or extra carriers for those that want them. I should here back in a day or so...    :)




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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stereodude on March 29, 2013, 11:35:08 AM

Long email sent on getting PROTECTED CELLS into the battery carrier for extra protection or extra carriers for those that want them. I should here back in a day or so...    :)


That's great.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Chris Dallas on March 30, 2013, 02:48:57 AM
Is it too late to get on this group by? I'd love to if it's still possible please put me on the list
thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BelgianEvo on March 30, 2013, 02:39:59 PM
You may remove me again from the list.

I'm going for the X6 Marauder. :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on March 30, 2013, 03:25:14 PM
I used 2250 CGR's in my FF3 with no issues.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lebox97 on March 30, 2013, 03:39:34 PM
the primary reason/CON of using IMR cells is the reduced mAh capacity/runtimes...
the primary reason/PRO for using IMR cells is the increased safety of the chemistry and extra amperage they can deliver...

Cheers


....Does anyone see a reason to not use IMR's in the light (Other than then having 2,250 mah instead of 3,400 mah, etc?)..

My question also


I don't think there is any reason why IMR's can't be used in the FF's or pretty much any light...   :thumbup:





Long email sent on getting PROTECTED CELLS into the battery carrier for extra protection or extra carriers for those that want them. I should here back in a day or so...    :)




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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on March 30, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
Confirming CPF and CPFMP are down?

EDIT back up now.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rufus001 on March 31, 2013, 03:25:49 PM
Count me in if you can ship to Australia. Happy to pay the extra postage. My FF3 needs a buddy. :D
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Taschenlampe Dude on April 03, 2013, 01:07:36 PM
Please count me in as interested in one. Thanks.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ENFORCER on April 05, 2013, 05:16:58 AM
Count me in too!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 05, 2013, 09:51:50 AM
the primary reason/CON of using IMR cells is the reduced mAh capacity/runtimes...
the primary reason/PRO for using IMR cells is the increased safety of the chemistry and extra amperage they can deliver...

Cheers


....Does anyone see a reason to not use IMR's in the light (Other than then having 2,250 mah instead of 3,400 mah, etc?)..

My question also


I don't think there is any reason why IMR's can't be used in the FF's or pretty much any light...   :thumbup:





Long email sent on getting PROTECTED CELLS into the battery carrier for extra protection or extra carriers for those that want them. I should here back in a day or so...    :)




.




List Updated





Here is response to questions about carrier: Paraphrasing


The FFIII and FFIV carrier protection circuit monitors the whole pack vs individual cells. (That is what users speculated that had taken the FFIII carrier apart)

Echoed to use good quality batteries of the same type. Sanyo and Panasonic were used for testing (internal resistance less than 100 m ohm). Noted batteries are cycled in users charger for balance and battery life span... Avoid using dismantled batteries (I think that translate to rehabed laptop batteries)

FFIII and FFIV are designed to use unprotected cells with the protected battery carrier. The peak current (inrush current to ballast, measured in milliseconds)  at start-up of the FFIV is over 8 amps and the majority of protected batteries can't provide sufficient current.

end:


I asked for good price on ( 10 to 15 ) extra battery carriers for those that wanted the extra protection by cutting the springs and use good quality protected cells. The answer was no problem.


Cheers


Comments/Questions :D

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stereodude on April 05, 2013, 12:06:05 PM

Comments/Questions :D

Is it safe to assume the carrier won't be any longer in the FF IV than the III then?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ronrog69 on April 05, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Please add me to the group buy list. I'll buy one!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 05, 2013, 09:12:29 PM

Comments/Questions :D

Is it safe to assume the carrier won't be any longer in the FF IV than the III then?

Yes, I believe it will be the same...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on April 06, 2013, 02:34:00 AM
Lips this is turning out to be one hell of a number of lights!  Thanks and congrats for making this work.

Can you start an additional list for those of us who want a spare battery carrier, so they are all delivered in same shipment?

Is there a cutoff time for taking names/placing order?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 06, 2013, 03:17:03 AM
Lips this is turning out to be one hell of a number of lights!  Thanks and congrats for making this work.

Can you start an additional list for those of us who want a spare battery carrier, so they are all delivered in same shipment?

Is there a cutoff time for taking names/placing order?


Should be a nice light!


Good idea, I'll put carrier beside name for those that want a spare. I asked and OK'd for 10 to 15 carriers at a good price (no mark up for those that want one). I don't know how many they will have extra or how many will want one so we'll see... If it's a bunch I'll need to give them a heads up...


No cut-off time on taking names. When they are ready I'll have to say how many needed but I'll get more lights than list...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 06, 2013, 03:26:47 AM
Anybody have pics of there cut springs? If you cut the springs did you check if unprotected batteries still fit securely with no bounce (power-off)? Share methods of how to do it properly?




It was noted in email that Sanyo 2600mah and Panasonic 2900mah had internal resistance down to .1 ohms and would hold current very well...


This is a very good site that has length, diameter, weight, discharge capacity, current and internal resistance.

Not sure who made this but it's very good?
Edit: Battery Guru HKJ
http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html (http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: enlightened pilgrim on April 06, 2013, 09:58:31 AM
@Lips: I'm in for one extra battery carrier. I'm the number 37 on your list.

Many thanks  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: TomInOregon on April 06, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
I'm also in for an extra battery carrier, if it's not crazy expensive.  I'm also interested in the handle, again if it's not crazy expensive.  I'm #29 on the list.  Thank you for doing this!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: kiely23 on April 06, 2013, 07:42:02 PM


Not sure who made this but it's very good?
http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html (http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html)

I think CPF member HKJ...!?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: [pyro] on April 08, 2013, 03:59:48 PM
Hi there :wave:
will these have the CE mark?
Otherwise there might be problems importing in the EU.
Nonetheless interested in two of them, including extra battery carrier


[pyro]
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lauri_L on April 08, 2013, 07:11:28 PM
In EU CE is needed only if you want to resell flashlights. If you import flashlight outside from EU for your own needs, there is no one who will check for CE.

Besides, CE is needed only for flashlights that have "blinking" modes like SOS, strobo, beacon etc (incase their working current is below 75V DC or 50V AC). If flashlights have "blinking" modes they have to be tested (min. requirement) against EN 55015 and EN 61000-3-2 and EN 61000-3-3.

Ofcourse every EU country can establish more restricted requirements.

Sorry for offtopic  :-[
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stollman on April 09, 2013, 01:55:57 AM
Put me down for an extra carrier too..thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 09, 2013, 04:27:35 AM
In EU CE is needed only if you want to resell flashlights. If you import flashlight outside from EU for your own needs, there is no one who will check for CE.

Besides, CE is needed only for flashlights that have "blinking" modes like SOS, strobo, beacon etc (incase their working current is below 75V DC or 50V AC). If flashlights have "blinking" modes they have to be tested (min. requirement) against EN 55015 and EN 61000-3-2 and EN 61000-3-3.

Ofcourse every EU country can establish more restricted requirements.

Sorry for offtopic  :-[


Good to know that  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 09, 2013, 12:23:13 PM
Something to review during the wait. I also reviewed the length of 18650 batteries (18 wide x 650 long). They should be called 18800 to 18900's! Some searchlights using 18650: FFI-FFII-FFIII-Polarion-Xeray-Microfire-Ebay HID-AElight-Titanium Innovations-Oracle- etc...





From HKJ site (very good!)
http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/battery%20protection%20UK.html (http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/battery%20protection%20UK.html)




The Anatomy of a Protected LiIon Battery

A protected battery will (hopefully) include the following protections:

    PTC, protect against over temperature and indirectly over current and will automatic reset.
    CID or pressure valve, will disable the cell permanently if the pressure is to high in the cell (Can be due to over charge).
    PCB will protect against over discharge, over charge and over current, depending on design the PCB will reset automatic or when placed in a charger.



Unprotected batteries are missing the PCB protection, but usual has the PTC and CID. The PCB protection is highly recommended for some LiIon batteries (LiCoO2). Here I am going to show how this PCB is fitted into a LiIon battery.



Note on the FFIV the PCB is in the battery carrier...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ampdude on April 09, 2013, 09:51:57 PM
Looks great, I love my FFIII.

Sign me up for the GB as well!

And I'd like an extra carrier too.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ampdude on April 10, 2013, 12:40:43 AM
Lips, thanks for adding me to the list. Might as well make it two extra battery carriers.


ampdude
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on April 10, 2013, 12:52:02 AM
The specs on the sales site list it as Output power model:40W.24W.50W
But the specs here say the Super high is 60W.  I know these aren't production models but why the difference?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: PhantomPhoton on April 10, 2013, 01:41:29 AM
I'm looking forward to this.  :D
Both of my HID lights are now rather useless as the battery packs have given out. I'm pleased to be able to have a decent one that takes straight up 18650 cells. I'm too cheap to pay stupid prices for new battery packs and too lazy to want to de-construct old ones and put new cells in.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 10, 2013, 08:52:30 AM
List Updated  :)



The specs on the sales site list it as Output power model:40W.24W.50W
But the specs here say the Super high is 60W.  I know these aren't production models but why the difference?


Old specs from early design targets. Size, weight is wrong etc. The ballast design has taken the most time and testing as one would expect. No price has been totally finalized that I know of. Distribution practices have changed since then also...


 :blinking:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: CNR on April 10, 2013, 09:52:31 PM

Old specs from early design targets. Size, weight is wrong etc. The ballast design has taken the most time and testing as one would expect. No price has been totally finalized that I know of. Distribution practices have changed since then also...


 :blinking:

Hmm, this doesn't sound good  :confused1:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 11, 2013, 05:01:55 AM

Old specs from early design targets. Size, weight is wrong etc. The ballast design has taken the most time and testing as one would expect. No price has been totally finalized that I know of. Distribution practices have changed since then also...


 :blinking:

Hmm, this doesn't sound good  :confused1:


All good, what's got your confused  :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on April 11, 2013, 01:17:05 PM

Old specs from early design targets. Size, weight is wrong etc. The ballast design has taken the most time and testing as one would expect. No price has been totally finalized that I know of. Distribution practices have changed since then also...


 :blinking:

Hmm, this doesn't sound good  :confused1:


All good, what's got your confused  :)

Actually I am happy that they have bettered the old spec.  It all sounds good to me.  
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: CNR on April 11, 2013, 10:10:08 PM


All good, what's got your confused  :)

Nothing, just didn't get it right at first reading  :-[
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on April 12, 2013, 12:46:26 AM
I'd like to know about the ability to service the bulb in this this model.  I know they rarely would need to be changed and they put an awesome tint in the last version, but it would be nice if they were able accessible.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: enlightened pilgrim on April 12, 2013, 12:41:53 PM
@Lips: I'm sorry to say that I've to withraw my commitment to buy. I spent too much money on flashlights recently. Please delete my name from the list (#37).

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: kashmir on April 13, 2013, 02:42:05 AM
Lips, put me down for an extra battery carrier also.

Thanks, kashmir (#41)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 13, 2013, 04:06:39 AM

List Updated:




I'd like to know about the ability to service the bulb in this this model.  I know they rarely would need to be changed and they put an awesome tint in the last version, but it would be nice if they were able accessible.



I asked if bulb setup changed but it wasn't elaborated on so I have no idea if it was tweaked or changed or the same. Allot of the light has changed although I see on the rendering the return wire goes through the reflector still. I should have spare parts to make it easier to change a bulb out. The front wire nearest the glass is simple and just clips to inside of reflector. With spare parts the backside should not be hard (if the design has not changed...) by having un-potted parts...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 13, 2013, 04:22:57 AM


Translated UPDATE from a few days ago...




Fire characteristics and basic parameters (April 7)
Reasonably long overdue update the content may have been busy with the addition of a product design, turn back the time for everyone to show.

Characteristic
brightness, if no accident, fire 4 should be at this stage of the brightest flashlight extremely bright the files 60W output the illuminance data close to the fire twice Of course, in addition to the luminous flux increase, still designed to enhance the long-range performance, relative to fire 3, on the one hand to increase the diameter of the reflector cup, on the other hand uses a glossy coating;
heat dissipation, has than fire 3 greatly strengthened, using the more higher the cooling fins, the highlight file 40W at normal temperature can be maintained close to 20 minutes, before into the low-lit stalls, basic fire twice;
③ size and weight, with respect to fire 3 increased slightly, the increase in weight of about 100 grams, the increase in the length of 6 mm, after the fish and can not have both;

Basic parameters
color temperature of 4300K;
Light flux up to 6000 + lumens
high purity aluminum reflector cup glossy coating
lamp life ≥ 2500 hours -
Lens UV filter high-temperature steel
Start-up time ≤ 15 seconds
Size L *, lamp diameter * handle diameter
155 * 75 * 49 mm
Shell Material 6061 aircraft aluminum
Three degrees of hard oxygen surface treatment
output power is extremely bright 60W
highlight 40W
Low brightness 24W
Automatically transferred to the thermal protection from overheating 24W
Waterproof grade IPX7, IP67
battery rack 4 * 18650 battery, short circuit, over-current, over-discharge, reverse battery protection of any section
safety lock
Design sketches
temporarily do not have a prototype, design sketches before starting Zhang, final results should be little change;

Install the handle renderings;

Some details
① actual use, in addition to the brightness outside, the largest increase in experience on the use side dimming function, the manual switching or Henshuang brightness;
(2) take into account to be able to use non-power battery (after all, in the hands of battery capacity type based), designed to limit the use of very bright file time specific length of time has not been determined, but personally think that one minute is sufficient to meet the most bright Sao, photography, search and other purposes;
Fire 4 ③ The last two years of available battery types increased rapidly, battery holder, battery check function error for different kinds of batteries, cancel the low- battery indicator function;
④ into the extremely bright file must be in the low-lit stalls state, press and hold the side 2 seconds, play safe, extremely bright file needs to start to complete (15 seconds ) before it can



__________________________________________________________________


Lips interpretation of translation:

- FFIV reflector diameter larger than FFIII and FFIV with SMO coating
- FFIV has potential to double runtime on 40 watts with better fins and heat dissipation before light is thermally kick down to 24w (10 min FFIII - 20 min FFIV) with ambient temps making + or -
- FFIV bulked up 100 grams

- FFIV will start out at 24w or 40w
- FFIV will start out at lower power for bulb warm up and then go to 60w(hold button for two seconds). No start out at 60w from cold start. This will reduce flash amps hitting the battery and extend bulb longevity.
- FFIV 60w power will have a timed setting for how long it can stay on 1 - 5 minutes TBD
- FFIV low batter indicator removed


Questions/comments :D




P.S.
For European buyers I will accommodate special shipping request so that you receive your light at best possible price for your situation. I will do cheapest shipping method (with receipt) if gentlemen's agreement not to file paypal dispute. or EMS. I will have spare parts and spare lights in case of problems for quick turn around...


cheers
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: tonnes on April 13, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
Sign me up please.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on April 14, 2013, 01:15:14 AM
It sounds like the head is increased from a 70mm LOP to a 75mm SMO.  Just getting SMO is awesome, but larger reflector to boot.  With the wattage increase from ~42 to around ~60, care to venture what the lux of this model may end up being?  I wonder if the FF4 requires a different bulb due to the overdrive ability?  If so will that mean a change in the arc gap within the envelope? 

I know that HIDs are pretty amazing in how they increase output tremendously with increasing wattage compared to overdriving LEDs.  So if the arc gap stays similar with the above improvements and hopefully a well focused beam maybe in this could be a near 500 Lux light. Maybe more maybe less. What do you think?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on April 14, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
Please add me to the list sir.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on April 15, 2013, 12:10:19 AM
Just noticed the sales site http://flashlight-torch.com/firefoxesff4-p-68.html has been updated with the specs 24/40/60.   It says luminous flux 50W- not sure what that means.  But the price listed too has been updated to 289.00 up from the price of 270.00 for the FF3.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: xmint on April 15, 2013, 03:04:59 AM


Translated UPDATE from a few days ago...




Lips interpretation of translation:

- FFIV reflector diameter larger than FFIII and FFIV with SMO coating
- FFIV has potential to double runtime on 40 watts with better fins and heat dissipation before light is thermally kick down to 24w (10 min FFIII - 20 min FFIV) with ambient temps making + or -
- FFIV bulked up 100 grams

- FFIV will start out at 24w or 40w
- FFIV will start out at lower power for bulb warm up and then go to 60w(hold button for two seconds). No start out at 60w from cold start. This will reduce flash amps hitting the battery and extend bulb longevity.
- FFIV 60w power will have a timed setting for how long it can stay on 1 - 5 minutes TBD
- FFIV low batter indicator removed


Questions/comments :D




P.S.
For European buyers I will accommodate special shipping request so that you receive your light at best possible price for your situation. I will do cheapest shipping method (with receipt) if gentlemen's agreement not to file paypal dispute. or EMS. I will have spare parts and spare lights in case of problems for quick turn around...


cheers

Getting closer!  :)

60w timer would be a lot better 5 mins than 1 min as that would be much too short IMO

Leaving the prototype a bit late if production is near.. or very certain of his design and manufacturer.

The rest sounds good,  longer run-time on high is welcome. Hope the wait is not for very much longer,,,, any inkling?.

Lips.. not really sure what you mean about shipping to EU (bit dim this morning) and gents' agreement about PPal... are you estimating that using cheapest option  the shipping could take 44+ days?  If so are they shipping direct from the far east, as there maybe some advantages for us in the EU.

In any case can you let us have an Idea of shipping costs v delivery time for the various options.

Thanks

w




 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: daveam on April 15, 2013, 04:01:43 AM
I'm in! One please.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: doslyn on April 15, 2013, 07:21:56 AM
Please add me to list as interested in one light and one extra carrier.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BeastFlashlight on April 16, 2013, 03:08:31 AM
Lips can you please add me to the GB list?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: doberman on April 16, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Lips, can you add one additional carrier for me, too ? Thx in advance.

It´s like pre-christmas time in April for me waiting for the FF4 arrival. The specs sound great ...

BTW: Will the handle be part of the flashlight or does it have to be purchased as accessory (didnt read the complete thread and all updates so sorry if already mentioned somewhere) ?

 And thanx to xmint to take up again the part with the shipping to EU and Paypal. Don´t get the key line out of it.

Thx
Doberman
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 16, 2013, 06:54:36 PM
Doberman, xtra carrier  :D


Hang tight everyone. Fire-Foxes will have to settle the mess  :-[


I don't think too good to be true deals, back door-front door, will fly with Asian dealers and I've made it clear from the start with Shine,  I'm not going for "ring around the roses"

Selling into the US is a no no for any dealer anywhere (whether shipping somewhere else and then here etc.)... Fastech-flashlight torch- taoboa  doingthethingoutdoors! etc...


I'm good with anyway it shakes out here in near future  8)

Get to questions shortly!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 16, 2013, 10:33:16 PM
Hey Fellows  :D


Wanted to also mention I have not heard a word on price with all my emails to Fire Foxes, so I really don't know. No gouging for sure gonna happen here.


Also, I'm not shunning the CPF thread on purpose. I asked for direction and a week later if any word on doing group buy at CPF around  6 weeks ago. There was neither a yeah or neah answer on the week later inquiry so I took it as a NO.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Colonel Sanders on April 17, 2013, 03:10:52 PM
Change me to 2 FFIVs.  I have a friend that wants one.  Oh, and I'll take 1 extra carrier too.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: cchurchi on April 17, 2013, 09:21:12 PM
Add me to the list for (1) FF4.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rufus001 on April 18, 2013, 03:31:43 PM
Remove me from the list please.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BeastFlashlight on April 19, 2013, 01:32:36 AM
How much does an extra carrier cost?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BeastFlashlight on April 19, 2013, 01:35:06 AM
Oh whatever please put me down for an extra carrier too Lips, thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 20, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
List Updated:





Should be an announcement shortly about a "dealer" on website below...

www.fire-foxes.com (http://www.fire-foxes.com)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stereodude on April 20, 2013, 02:19:01 PM
Should be an announcement shortly about a "dealer" on website below...

www.fire-foxes.com (http://www.fire-foxes.com)

Take this comment however you want, but your apparent attempts to police what other vendors located outside the US do via Fire-Foxes comes off as pretty lame.  If someone in the US wants to buy a FFIV for less money directly from an overseas vendor and not get any support from Fire-Foxes because they bought it grey market that should be up to the customer not you.

What's next?  A restrictive End User Licensing Agreement with the flashlight that grants only the original purchaser an exclusive license to use the FFIV, but forbids them from reselling the license or transferring it to another person?  :*)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 21, 2013, 09:55:36 AM
Should be an announcement shortly about a "dealer" on website below...

www.fire-foxes.com (http://www.fire-foxes.com)

Take this comment however you want, but your apparent attempts to police what other vendors located outside the US do via Fire-Foxes comes off as pretty lame.  If someone in the US wants to buy a FFIV for less money directly from an overseas vendor and not get any support from Fire-Foxes because they bought it grey market that should be up to the customer not you.

What's next?  A restrictive End User Licensing Agreement with the flashlight that grants only the original purchaser an exclusive license to use the FFIV, but forbids them from reselling the license or transferring it to another person?  :*)


Stereo

I can see where your coming from and I'm fine with whatever way they want to go. I know it's extremely difficult to produce a light like the FFIV at the price point and I'm not in charge. Someone over here was going to be in the spot whether it was me or not I know for sure. As far as the user agreement goes, you can take it, put it in your pipe and smoke it  :-[


I was puzzled by Judy of flashlight-torch. 

She was emailing US customers
Sold me a light to be shipped to me!
Posted in her name in this thread and the FFIII thread with links to her web page.
She posted her sale, took it down, put it back up...
etc.


I complained about her a few days ago as I knew it was not normal behavior. Wasn't sure what was going on.


She has no plans on being a dealer anymore. She was told 2 months ago there would be a USA dealer and I believe she is in Shanghai. The way she did it she will get 9 lights "at some point" without warranty, and paid retail just to shake the bushes... Ask her.

Made more sense to me as of yesterday.




Her deleted post:  My apologies rufus001, I delete your post also as it quoted her...


Add me to the list for (1) FF4.

somebody have pre-ordered on this website?
http://flashlight-torch.com/firefoxesff4firefoxiv4-p-68.html (http://flashlight-torch.com/firefoxesff4firefoxiv4-p-68.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rufus001 on April 21, 2013, 10:06:16 AM
That's ok Lips. I thought that was the reason. I ended up ordering from Judy because that's where I got my FF3 from. I'm a tad concerned now though!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stereodude on April 21, 2013, 12:05:55 PM
Stereo

I can see where your coming from and I'm fine with whatever way they want to go. I know it's extremely difficult to produce a light like the FFIV at the price point and I'm not in charge. Someone over here was going to be in the spot whether it was me or not I know for sure. As far as the user agreement goes, you can take it, put it in your pipe and smoke it  :-[
It sounds like things are running amok over at Fire-Foxes...  I'm not privy to whatever agreement they have with you or their other dealers, but things sure seem to be in an uncertain state of flux like a rollercoaster ride.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 21, 2013, 01:01:00 PM
Stereo

I can see where your coming from and I'm fine with whatever way they want to go. I know it's extremely difficult to produce a light like the FFIV at the price point and I'm not in charge. Someone over here was going to be in the spot whether it was me or not I know for sure. As far as the user agreement goes, you can take it, put it in your pipe and smoke it  :-[

It sounds like things are running amok over at Fire-Foxes...  I'm not privy to whatever agreement they have with you or their other dealers, but things sure seem to be in an uncertain state of flux like a rollercoaster ride.

You should drive by the morgue today and cheer some of those people up using your charming personality.  Or go by and get some nuts for the peanut gallery    :tongue2:


Looking for the "Rain on Parade" Icon
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: troisanh on April 21, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
please add me to list for (1) FF4, thxs
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BeastFlashlight on April 23, 2013, 04:14:26 AM
I apologize Lips but please remove me from the list, I've decided to focus on larger HIDs
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: teej on April 23, 2013, 04:35:01 PM
I was looking at my 3400 mah 18650's, and the protected Fasttech 3400's are more like 70 mm, and the Eagletac, Kallies Customs, Xtar, etc, were closer to 68 mm. 

When you guys were talking about trimming the springs to fit protected Fasttech's, how much was expected to be trimmed off?

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on April 23, 2013, 11:03:02 PM
teej,

The springs are trimmed on my FF3 to allow aw 3100s to fit.  They fit, although they need careful placement because they are still quite tight.  I tried fitting Orbtronic 3400s and they are an absolute no go without trimming the springs more and I'm noth doing that.  UnProtected Panasonic CGR18650CH 2250mAh  area considerably shorter than either.  They make contact, but I feel they are too loose to use with the trimmed springs.   FT protected 3400s are probably some of the largest and would possibly require trimming to the point that they would be the only cells you would want to use in that light.  Of course, they could have made changes in the battery carrier for the FF4, but we don't know that yet.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: mhemling33 on April 24, 2013, 03:28:46 PM
http://www.doingoutdoor.com/firefoxes-ff4-hid-flashlight-p-344.html?zenid=hthrvu628k7sjqlpup43vdk981 (http://www.doingoutdoor.com/firefoxes-ff4-hid-flashlight-p-344.html?zenid=hthrvu628k7sjqlpup43vdk981)

Do you have any idea on why there seem to be issues with the US? 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on April 24, 2013, 10:15:13 PM
http://www.doingoutdoor.com/firefoxes-ff4-hid-flashlight-p-344.html?zenid=hthrvu628k7sjqlpup43vdk981 (http://www.doingoutdoor.com/firefoxes-ff4-hid-flashlight-p-344.html?zenid=hthrvu628k7sjqlpup43vdk981)

Do you have any idea on why there seem to be issues with the US? 



Light doesn't exist yet  :P  Best to wait a little while...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: slick_squeakers on April 26, 2013, 08:24:32 PM
Count me in for one.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: mhemling33 on April 28, 2013, 10:25:48 PM
Oh yeah the Panasonic NCR18650B's from fasttech are now $16.56 each as the base price  :D

Then don't forget to use the coupon codes "BLF" or "CPASTE13SPRING"

So with the discount it is only $15.73 for a 2-pack
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: write2dgray on May 02, 2013, 03:12:26 PM
Please add me to the list.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Dmitriyrus on May 08, 2013, 08:43:42 AM
already have the first owner!
When do we get a light?
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?361456-FF4-VS-FF3 (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?361456-FF4-VS-FF3)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on May 08, 2013, 01:34:13 PM
Lol - that is the manufacturer  ;)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: tonnes on May 08, 2013, 10:29:19 PM
Battery questions:

- Do we know for sure that the Panasonic NCR18650B batteries will fit?

- How are the batteries charged?  I have one of these:  http://www.hobbypartz.com/73p-ac680-accharger.html - will it work? Can the batteries be charged while in the carrier?

 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on May 09, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
The charger will work fine.  You'll be able to charge one at a time using magnets or find one of those 4-cell plastic charging trays and wire it up for parallel charging to charge all 4 at one time.  Pretty sure the protected's will not fit without cutting off most of the contact spring.  Unprotected's will fit.  Not sure if you can charge them in the OEM carrier.  It's got circuitry in it that may cause issues.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on May 11, 2013, 06:11:53 PM
Are these now in stock? FL-Torch is putting up 4 available or are they mistaken.  I do see they are using Shines own photo and not their own so it's probably doubtful.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: N2DEEP on May 12, 2013, 03:23:12 AM
Count me in for 1 FF4 please!!!!!
Also 1 handle if you are selling those as well.

Oh and this is my first post on this forum.   :D
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: nitekayak on May 13, 2013, 02:14:35 PM
Hi Lips,

If you're still taking pre-orders, I can no longer resist the temptation.
Please include me as well.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: InfinitusEquitas on May 14, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
If possible, please add me to the list.

Interested in one to start with.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: walterr839 on May 17, 2013, 02:15:51 AM
Lips

How about an update. Any good news to report?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on May 19, 2013, 09:56:18 PM
Sorry for delay as I'm working with little information to go forward or not... I'll update more soon.




Light has had a few bugs to work out (lens, 1 to 3 min max change, 82% effic down to 78%). Better all the way around to have kinks worked out before playing...




AKU photos:



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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: jmpaul320 on May 20, 2013, 12:49:56 AM
wow!

looks like it will be worth the wait!

thanks for the photos lips
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on May 21, 2013, 09:26:57 AM


Hey Fellows, Update:



I'm being cautious on this endeavor simply because I'm am not "reasonably" comfortable with everything, yet... I'm going to set up as a repair station here in the US for the lights that I sell and that makes me more cautious given the major changes and upgrades that went into the FF4. Not allot of time has passed to test all the new parts and features. I don't want to ship lights with a problem or unforeseen bug. I don't want to ship first out-of-the-shoot lights that will have substantive changes in the next run. On laughing gas getting my wisdom teeth extracted I told my dentist heck yea I feel comfortable, lets rip-em out of there. He looked at me stone faced and said you better hope I feel comfortable doing this...


I noticed the bulb looks a little different from FF3. A little larger glass and more round and has a little different color temp. Maybe nothing...

The 60w power setting started out at 1 minute limit. To get to the 60w setting the light has to be in low 24w and warm up for 15 seconds before you can press the side button for two seconds and the light will go to 60w. This is good and responsible as it minimizes the flash amps needed to do 60w and avoids cold start high flash amp at 60w. You can not start out at 60w. Not sure it will start at 40w or if light has memory in regards to 24w or 40w last off...

Chinese consumers complained that 1 min at 60w was too short. The 1 min was changed to 3 min for the 60w setting. This caused some unforeseen problems to pop up. The FF4 could only go to 60w one time and the light would be required to cycle off to get it to go back to 60w from low. Temp kick-down was lowered a little and may have caused some issues at 60w for 3 min. I don't know if this has been changed or would be changed later.

At 77w consumption and true 60w to bulb the ballast efficiency went down from 82% to 77%. Dropping the power to 58w would bring the efficiency back up to 82% with negligible light loss. I don't know where this is at.

Some of the FF3 lens would crack either from heat or bulb placement. FF4 lens was not stable enough to handle the long-term heat and had to be remade. Shipping lights back and forth crossing oceans and countries, everybody is going to be non-too-happy. Especially those that are in a price war in Asia that pay more to ship than there gp. 


I've asked for clarification on these items and how the functions worked out in the end.


I have requested info on spare battery packs, handle kits, extension tubes and prices and availability for these. Also full compliment of spare parts to stand up repair station...


Pricing for group buy USA will be $259 + 10 priority shipping (up to 2 units) to conus = $269


The other deals for shipping overseas are hard to compete with. For those that don't get in on those deals I'll work with you getting something fair put together to ship overseas (bundling etc.). Keep in mind my concern about changes that may occur in light and the distance $$$$ they have to travel...

Hopefully it all works out where everybody is comfortable  :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on May 21, 2013, 11:28:33 AM
Excellent price compromise.  I might be able to swing getting 2.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: jmpaul320 on May 21, 2013, 10:25:19 PM
thanks for the update
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on May 22, 2013, 03:27:18 AM
Very helpful update.  Explains a lot of the variables that I was not aware of.
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Post by: mhemling33 on May 22, 2013, 03:39:53 AM
 :thumbup:

I agree with your decision 100%. When your ready I am ready!

and how about that price  :wav:

If you are starting a want list I am still good for 3 please
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Post by: 1sicklt1ta on May 22, 2013, 07:07:43 PM
PLEASE ADD ME TO THE LIST FOR 1 FF4. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT LIPS!!
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Post by: walterr839 on May 24, 2013, 09:36:54 PM
Lips. Thanks for the update and when you feel it's ready I'll be waiting. You referred to an extension tube - what exactly would that be? Would it allow another battery pack to increase run time perhaps?
Just curious

Thanks

Walter in Rhode Island
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Post by: Lips on May 28, 2013, 09:43:34 AM
Lips. Thanks for the update and when you feel it's ready I'll be waiting. You referred to an extension tube - what exactly would that be? Would it allow another battery pack to increase run time perhaps?
Just curious

Thanks

Walter in Rhode Island

I've seen the handle but not the extension tubes. I believe it is an 8 battery and a 12 battery screw on extension tube to give more run-time for the lights. I don't believe the handles or extension tubes are ready at this moment.



Extra battery carriers to me are $25 (plus shipping if they can't be grouped in existing package) so same price to you...


I'll likely get 10 1st batch lights and some extra battery carriers headed this way in the next few days along with repair station parts for those that want to try the first batch and don't want to wait. I still feel it is best to proceed slowly as some will be landing lights shortly for a hands on. Clarification on how the functions work and if there are any standout problems... I will then ramp up on the 2nd batch to be made (not second batch to ship out)



I asked for clarification on how lights worked and was sent the manual... Didn't really help much on that front.

The manual Sent to me leaves out the dimming, memory, level to get to 60w, how many times can you go to 60w (1 in the beginning) without requiring a on-off cycle are not in there... Looks like a partial manual...

MANUAL

II. HID flashlight features
1. HID light is generated by electric arc breaking through the inert gas, no filament is applied there.
2. The HID startup is a process of tube warmingup. It takes about 15 seconds to gain a constant power and 40 seconds (or longer) to reach a full brightness. There might be flash during the whole process.
3. HID color temperature adjustment relies on the metal halide. It is usually yellow in cool state and attaching on the inner wall of the tube.
4. With HID flashlight, a pink or yellow brink around the beam spot is visible. This is caused by the effect of gravity to gaseous metal halide. The color may gradually fade away while the light goes on.
5. The HID flashlight uses high-temperature lamp and steam may occur on the center of lens after long lighting. It will disappear after a few hours.

III. Safety notices
1. Don't irradiate the eyes within 50 meters to avoid a short-term visual impairment.
2. Use it with good morality. Don't disturb people nor interfere the traffic. Irradiating the crowd, residential buildings, running cars or low-flying aircraft at night are also prohibited.
3. Don’t touch the lens while the light is on to avoid skin scald.
4. After flashlight is turned off, do take some time to cool it down before restoring it into a bag.
5. Continue usage with proper interruptions is recommended in a windless environment.
6. During transportation or long idle state, it is recommended to remove batteries to avoid inadvertently turned on.

IV. Battery rack and battery
Battery rack
1. The battery rack with indicators shows the status of the over current, short circuit, over discharging, reverse polarity protection.
2. Over-discharging protection is for the total voltage detection, a good conformity of batteries is required.
3. When the battery level is less than 10%, system will cut off the power and get into protection mode.
4. When electric current is large or frequent switching on/off in a short period, system will cut off the power and get into protection mode.
5. When flashlight is in protection mode, just turn it off to relief the mode.
6. While in cryogenic environment, switching on flashlight may trigger the protection mode. Just restart it to relief the mode.
7. If the rack is loaded with batteries, do switch it off while sliding it into the flashlight.
(There might be variation between different types of batteries, articles 2,3are for reference only)

Battery
1. The battery rack consists of four nonprotected 18650 lithium batteries.
2. Please use good quality battery with capacity more than 2,400 mAh, and internal resistance less than 100 mΩ. Even better they are of the same type and of the same batch lot. Sanyo 2600 mAh or the Panasonic 2900 mAh are recommended. Please avoid the usage of dismantled batteries.
3. Use good quality charger to ensure battery’s balance and lengthen its life span.
4. When fitting batteries into the rack, connect the negative pole (flat surface with no hole) to the spring.
5. Make sure the capacity of each battery is of the same level because over-discharging damage is easily occurred on batteries. Avoid situations like: a certain battery is consumed alone or some batteries are forgotten to recharge.
6. Four Sanyo 2600mAh batteries will normally last 45 - 75 minutes(Overheating auto reduce power, depending on the use).

V. Safety lock and dimming
1.  Safety lock is located in the tail, open the safety lock then press the side switch to turn on the light, turn off the safety lock can turn off the light;
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Post by: BVH on May 28, 2013, 03:49:09 PM
I'm anxious but I'd like to wait for the 2nd batch - to be made - so hopefully less of them little buggies flying around!
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Post by: jmpaul320 on May 30, 2013, 11:27:29 PM
I'm anxious but I'd like to wait for the 2nd batch - to be made - so hopefully less of them little buggies flying around!

+1 - it seems like the ff4 is really pushing the envelope - i dont mind waiting another 3-5 months
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Post by: mhemling33 on May 31, 2013, 04:38:07 AM
Quote
I will then ramp up on the 2nd batch to be made (not second batch to ship out)

I am new to the FF GB's so i just want to clarify what you mean by this...

They are done with the first batch and they will start up production after they find out what bugs they need to fix. Then after they make the 2nd batch you will try and get a larger order of lights if you feel they have made successful fixes to any critical issue.

If you feel they didn't fix the issues or don't like something they changed will there be a 3d batch made and does this process keep repeating itself? Also what are general timeframes for this process.

I am in no rush and I am not complaining I just want to make sure I know what exactly is going on, it makes waiting a little easier!  :occasion14:

I have been dying to get my hands on one but ill definitely wait for any fixes.

Thanks again for doing this!

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Post by: Lips on May 31, 2013, 10:11:02 AM
Quote
I will then ramp up on the 2nd batch to be made (not second batch to ship out)

I am new to the FF GB's so i just want to clarify what you mean by this...

They are done with the first batch and they will start up production after they find out what bugs they need to fix. Then after they make the 2nd batch you will try and get a larger order of lights if you feel they have made successful fixes to any critical issue.

If you feel they didn't fix the issues or don't like something they changed will there be a 3d batch made and does this process keep repeating itself? Also what are general timeframes for this process.

I am in no rush and I am not complaining I just want to make sure I know what exactly is going on, it makes waiting a little easier!  :occasion14:

I have been dying to get my hands on one but ill definitely wait for any fixes.

Thanks again for doing this!



mhemling33


Working on getting 10 or so lights from this production run batch for those that don't want to wait...


These lights are probably better clarified as "semi custom" as they are produced in batch runs. Not sure of exact # of each batch but most likely a couple or several hundred. Many things new on this light in regards to the physical parts and the software not to mention a 3 stage ballast.  I'm not sure at this point how the functions of the light work. I asked specific questions how the light functions worked and was sent the manual, which was not much help. Say you have a time line pressure of a hundred plus lights pre-sold and pre-paid to the homeland market, which better ship in so many days, with only a couple of weeks to exercise a prototype. Inevitably you will have some small production changes (like make sure the bulb is in the exact right spot) or improvements as things progress on the production line. A large early change I'd like to avoid! Probably want be any air-horns blaring we changed this!

Not talking 3 to 5 months or the 3rd batch. I'm sure they are making plans (not sharing much information!) as to the second batch as the first batch units move out. No doubts Shine will get it right if there are issues. I'm sure it was a mad stressful time getting it all together. So much is new and very little time at the end to test the light I'd at least feel more comfortable at least knowing how the light functions work...
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Post by: Lips on May 31, 2013, 10:46:34 PM
The actual power is output 59W.


operation:
1, FF4 turn on only  at  40W mode, 15 second latter we can switch it to 24W by click side key. Then we can press side key for 2 second to switch to 60W mode. We can end 60W mode by click sidekey  and we can't switch to  60W mode again. But we can switch 24W and 40W mode freely by click side key.
 
2, If we want to light 60W again, we must turn off flashlight then repeat step 1.




My biggest gripe would be not being able to go to 60 watts without turning the light off / back on / warm up...


Say your walking and on 24w and want to look at something far off and you go to 60w for 10 seconds. You have to cycle the light on/off to get back to 60w.

Changing that would probably be an upgrade but I'll ask and see if that might change quickly or down the road... Given more time I think a better algorithm would have came forward...



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Post by: jmpaul320 on June 01, 2013, 02:32:42 AM
yeah that UI is a bit cumbersome - not a deal breaker but with an ultimate light like this it would be nice to switch back to turbo after say 3-5 minutes of cool down time or something rather than having to turn the light off again - that would just wear on the bulb/ballast
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Post by: kemosabex on June 01, 2013, 07:39:04 AM
Hi lips, can you put me on the list for two units? Thanks!
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Post by: BVH on June 02, 2013, 04:54:17 AM
I wonder what the reasoning was for the one-shot 60 Watt limitation.  To me, the tailcap should have been the On/Off switch and the side switch should have been momentary 24-40-60, repeat as often as desired.
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Post by: 1sicklt1ta on June 02, 2013, 06:10:42 PM
Yeh BVH that would be ideal, that kinda sucks having to turn it off just to go back to 60w. This is going to be a awesome light but that really is a downer. Hope shine can figure a way to fix that.
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Post by: JetskiMark on June 03, 2013, 01:29:51 AM
That UI is a deal breaker for me. There are two things that I do not like to do with an HID. The first is to turn it off before it is completely warmed up. The second is to cycle it off and on repeatedly.

The UI that BVH envisions would be ideal. I really hope that the manufacturer can come up with something better in the very near future.

I am getting frustrated just imagining having to shut off the light, turn it back on in 40 watt mode, wait for 15 seconds, click to the 24 watt mode and then having to hold the button for two seconds just to access the 60 watt mode again. And then having to repeat this procedure every time I want the admittedly stunning maximum output.

And I thought it was somewhat frustrating not being able to go to a lower mode, without cycling through the higher modes first, with my Nitecore TM26.
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Post by: Lips on June 03, 2013, 10:13:06 PM
Extra battery racks I want have to be made for me as they don't stock that many. That works out as shipping them ems raised the price. I'll have them made and shipped cheaper way.


I have some thoughts on UI I'll try and post tonight.



For anyone already on my list in the USA that wants a light quicker please sound off in thread and I'll take payment now and have how many of the first batch lights shipped in to me EMS. Price is $269 shipped conus (paypal is under my user name)...

International on list I'll do it but advise waiting a bit for mature run as I am for my personal unit...
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Post by: 1sicklt1ta on June 03, 2013, 11:37:42 PM
Oh I want one so bad but I think im gonna wait to see if we can get a UI fix.
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Post by: lawallac on June 04, 2013, 01:32:57 AM
Lips... PP sent for one, for now.  I want to check it out.  Really I don't think the 60W thing is that big of a deal.  There just isn't enough mass in a light this small to safely run that much power for any amount of time without cooking your cells.  I think of the super high just more as a show off mode.  The important thing for me is that it can be changed to the lower mode. 
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Post by: Lips on June 04, 2013, 12:21:04 PM
Got it! Thanks

added 15 carriers and a few bulbs to that. I'll let you know when on way to me EMS after I wire funds.


Went ahead and sent email directly with some feedback on UI and functions to get some info on how and why things were done as they were... They may want to say a little or not... I said UI doesn't seem optimal and can it be tweaked... Hey feedback was the reason SMO reflector used on FF4 and ballast noise reduced on FF3 second prod run!

I think it comes from the build up of 24-40-60w light and not 24-40 asterisk 60w light. One thing that should be able to do is go to 60w from the 40w and therefore bypassing a step and wait. Not sure reason for having to go to 24w to get to 60w when light turns on at 40w every time... Can't think of why you wouldn't or shouldn't be able to go to 60w from 40w... I am glad protection was built in so that inexperienced user or kid can't excessively change output too many times quickly from 24w to 40w... From what it looks like the fit and finish is very good...
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Post by: ro.ma. on June 04, 2013, 01:42:09 PM
Even I and my group buy expect the UI has improved. As it is now is not very functional. We are all quite experienced in torches and so I think we would not have problems dealing with a torch so powerful and delicate at the same time, so hopefully it will be at least change the order 20 40 60w.
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Post by: TomInOregon on June 04, 2013, 07:26:40 PM
I'm also disappointed with the UI.  I may hold off with the purchase to see if it gets an improved UI.  With the limited 60W use, it's a slightly improved FF3 with additional 24W mode.  The 60W mode seems to be really for showing off, not for actual use.  I need a usable light.
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Post by: LuxLuthor on June 05, 2013, 06:09:25 AM
That UI is a deal breaker for me. There are two things that I do not like to do with an HID. The first is to turn it off before it is completely warmed up. The second is to cycle it off and on repeatedly.

The UI that BVH envisions would be ideal. I really hope that the manufacturer can come up with something better in the very near future.

I am getting frustrated just imagining having to shut off the light, turn it back on in 40 watt mode, wait for 15 seconds, click to the 24 watt mode and then having to hold the button for two seconds just to access the 60 watt mode again. And then having to repeat this procedure every time I want the admittedly stunning maximum output.

And I thought it was somewhat frustrating not being able to go to a lower mode, without cycling through the higher modes first, with my Nitecore TM26.

Have to agree with Mark.  I cannot imagine enjoying this light with the effective handcuffs they put on the 60W mode.  Lips, they should really know how strongly their setup is not acceptable.  If they think it is just a minor negative drawback, they may not bother making it more workable.  I appreciate all your dedication and hard work, and am trying to keep a balance in expressing the problem this UI represents.
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Post by: cchurchi on June 06, 2013, 01:25:21 AM
I also will wait for a better UI. 

I want access to the 60 Watt mode from the 40 watt mode and more than once without having to shut the light off first.

I envision using the light for 20 minutes or so at a time in 40 watt mode, while occasionally switching to 60 watts for brief periods of 5-10 seconds.  If the light starts getting noticeably warm, I will switch to 24 watt mode.

I would be fine with an internal override that keeps me out of 40-60 watt mode if the light is too hot, similar to the FF3 which automatically switches to 24 watts when it gets excessively warm.
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Post by: Lips on June 06, 2013, 10:36:45 AM
Hi lips, can you put me on the list for two units? Thanks!

On list.

Your FF3 repair part shipped out Monday!



I wonder what the reasoning was for the one-shot 60 Watt limitation.  To me, the tailcap should have been the On/Off switch and the side switch should have been momentary 24-40-60, repeat as often as desired.

I believe the tail cap was done that way to have a safety cut-off and provide a protection mode. Tail cap on uses 50ma of power while activated and light is off. Some extra safety above the FF3.

3. When the battery level is less than 10%, system will cut off the power and get into protection mode.
4. When electric current is large or frequent switching on/off in a short period, system will cut off the power and get into protection mode.




Lips... PP sent for one, for now.  I want to check it out.  Really I don't think the 60W thing is that big of a deal.  There just isn't enough mass in a light this small to safely run that much power for any amount of time without cooking your cells.  I think of the super high just more as a show off mode.  The important thing for me is that it can be changed to the lower mode. 

Getting package ready with a few other parts!




That UI is a deal breaker for me. There are two things that I do not like to do with an HID. The first is to turn it off before it is completely warmed up. The second is to cycle it off and on repeatedly.

The UI that BVH envisions would be ideal. I really hope that the manufacturer can come up with something better in the very near future.

I am getting frustrated just imagining having to shut off the light, turn it back on in 40 watt mode, wait for 15 seconds, click to the 24 watt mode and then having to hold the button for two seconds just to access the 60 watt mode again. And then having to repeat this procedure every time I want the admittedly stunning maximum output.

And I thought it was somewhat frustrating not being able to go to a lower mode, without cycling through the higher modes first, with my Nitecore TM26.

Have to agree with Mark.  I cannot imagine enjoying this light with the effective handcuffs they put on the 60W mode.  Lips, they should really know how strongly their setup is not acceptable.  If they think it is just a minor negative drawback, they may not bother making it more workable.  I appreciate all your dedication and hard work, and am trying to keep a balance in expressing the problem this UI represents.


Noted and thanks!

Keep in mind this is a 4 cell light in series at 14.8v. Most other HID searchlights use at least 8 cells which you guys know better than anyone gives you multiples of runtime/amps because you get more efficiency hitting 18650’s at less amps. Gonna be some limitations for sure. Throw in different markets, Mainland C-Europe-USA etc and everyone is tugging in different directions. For example the mainland c guys were very upset at the 1 minute limit on 60w before the light was produced, hence the change to 3 minutes late in the process. This caused a delay and what I’m not sure about is with the 1 min limit design whether the light would allow multiple visits to 60w… Apparently a reboot is required at the moment to reset the protection phase that only allows 1 visit to 60w. Hmmm, could a better mechanism be used to allow multiple visits whether allowing times of less than 3 min or 5 times or etc. I would think so for sure but probably easy for me rhetorically than putting it in to practice.

Go to 60w from either 24w or 40w without requiring a change in output and wait and multiple visits to 60w even if some time limits for battery safety. As far as heat you have thermal protection built into the light which kicks down to 24w automatically. The temp was changed from 65c on FF3 to 55c on FF4 for less discomfort to user and you still get almost twice the runtime on FF4 over FF3 on 40w before thermal kick down to 24w… I think they would be worthy changes and make for a better light (more sales in the end for the company)     




I also will wait for a better UI. 

I want access to the 60 Watt mode from the 40 watt mode and more than once without having to shut the light off first.

I envision using the light for 20 minutes or so at a time in 40 watt mode, while occasionally switching to 60 watts for brief periods of 5-10 seconds.  If the light starts getting noticeably warm, I will switch to 24 watt mode.

I would be fine with an internal override that keeps me out of 40-60 watt mode if the light is too hot, similar to the FF3 which automatically switches to 24 watts when it gets excessively warm.


That’s how I envision using the 60w mode. I see something I want more power on the target, go to it and then back off.

(repeat from paragraph above)
As far as heat you have thermal protection built into the light which kicks down to 24w automatically. The temp was changed from 65c on FF3 to 55c on FF4 for less discomfort to user and you still get almost twice the runtime on FF4 over FF3 on 40w before thermal kick down to 24w…

If you consider the extension tubes (8 batteries or 12 batteries) I think the UI makes no sense at all and has to be changed so change will most likely come at some point… I have a feeling the extension tubes system will/may be FF5 and the 8 or 12 will use proprietary rechargeable battery pack with led’s so you will have a 4 or 8 or 12 battery light. Just a guess!

All the feedback I’ve seen publicly to date is very positive on the FF4. Doesn’t hurt to ask for a little change and still waiting to hear back on this part.  :D
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Post by: Lips on June 06, 2013, 11:04:38 AM
Forgot to mention the speed at which the ballast starts up. I've brought that up back with the FF3 and noted that again. Given the FF4 is a 4 cell light a conservative ramp up is warranted. Does it have to be as conservative at the 40w start up, probably could/should be a little quicker. If you move to a 8 or 12 battery configuration you have to get much quicker ramp up to compete with LED's... Doesn't have to be quite as fast as a Polarion but it would be nice to get close. I would bet that the PH-50 unit I have (one of the production runs that was over-tuned) hits the 8 unprotected cells (protection in pack) harder with flash amps than does the FF4 with 4 cells... 
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Post by: lawallac on June 09, 2013, 03:32:12 AM

Getting package ready with a few other parts!


     Cool. Thanks man.  I understand the fustration with settings, but I've got a FF3 and love it.  If you were selling a FF3 with SMO I would buy it.  The switchable 24W makes it awesome, and the abitlity to hit 60W makes it amzing for this price from a US distributor.  Thanks man! 

       The 40W setting is where it's at anyway.  If anybody hasn't tried a FF3 even, there is nothing I have or seen custom or production that comes close in a light remotely that size.  I've got lights with 4x the lumens but .25x the Lux, some with 33% higher Lux, but a little less than half the lumen and in a bigger light.
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Post by: Lips on June 10, 2013, 03:13:13 AM

Getting package ready with a few other parts!


     Cool. Thanks man.  I understand the fustration with settings, but I've got a FF3 and love it.  If you were selling a FF3 with SMO I would buy it.  The switchable 24W makes it awesome, and the abitlity to hit 60W makes it amzing for this price from a US distributor.  Thanks man! 

       The 40W setting is where it's at anyway.  If anybody hasn't tried a FF3 even, there is nothing I have or seen custom or production that comes close in a light remotely that size.  I've got lights with 4x the lumens but .25x the Lux, some with 33% higher Lux, but a little less than half the lumen and in a bigger light.



Understood! Lights have shipped and be here in 3 to 5 days... I got five now and waited on parts for another box. I'll ship it out as soon as I get it...



Haven't heard back yet on UI. I imagine it is being weighed and will go one way or the other, sooner or later!




I will include the lens cover for each light I sell. They are inexpensive and look pretty cool. Ethan from China credits on these!
Take two weeks to get these in... Lawallac, I'll see if I can have one shipped to your addy!





Ethan's pics
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Post by: Dmitriyrus on June 10, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
International on list I'll do it but advise waiting a bit for mature run as I am for my personal unit...

Hello Lips.
I could hardly hold back, that would not scream "I buy."  :)
But I will follow your advice and wait for the improved version.
Do you think, how soon will it happen?  :drool:
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Post by: mhemling33 on June 11, 2013, 05:48:42 PM
That lens cover is an awesome idea!
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Post by: Lips on June 11, 2013, 08:25:28 PM
International on list I'll do it but advise waiting a bit for mature run as I am for my personal unit...

Hello Lips.
I could hardly hold back, that would not scream "I buy."  :)
But I will follow your advice and wait for the improved version.
Do you think, how soon will it happen?  :drool:


Don't know for sure at the moment Dmitriyrus

I should have some lights this week. Tracking the package doesn't say they are in the USA yet. I feel comfortable with the light to ship international now if you don't want to wait just let me know!





That lens cover is an awesome idea!


Couldn't believe the generic ones are so cheap! Should be nice to keep lens from getting scratched while riding in a vehicle or pack!
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Post by: lawallac on June 11, 2013, 09:24:52 PM
The Nikon lens caps of various sizes are all a buck or 2 free shipping on fasttech.  They have quite a.few different sizes.

-edit  I noticed they have 67mm Canon lens caps for $1.40 as well.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 15, 2013, 12:48:26 AM
The Nikon lens caps of various sizes are all a buck or 2 free shipping on fasttech.  They have quite a.few different sizes.

-edit  I noticed they have 67mm Canon lens caps for $1.40 as well.




10-4



Lights tracking show in customs at San Fransisco...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 16, 2013, 08:48:08 AM
Advisable to make sure the rear button is off (no led lit up) and not in stand-by mode when light is stored for non-use.  When led is lit on rear button and light is in standby mode it draws 50ma of power. This will drain the batteries down to a low level (probably around 2.5 mah per cell) since there is not much load present. Under load they will not go so low... 4th change that may be helpful - if in standby > 2hr's turn standby off requiring a switch cycle.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 17, 2013, 05:54:58 AM

Getting closer! Made it out of customs.




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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: 1sicklt1ta on June 17, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
Hey Lips, still no word from Firefoxes on if a UI change was considered?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 17, 2013, 11:50:02 PM
Hey Lips, still no word from Firefoxes on if a UI change was considered?



No word yet...




Some changes that may make the light more user friendly and a better seller
:

1. Allow multiple visits to 60w still keeping the 3 min time limit. (This would allow you to use the 60w brightness and allow the user to control the heat and battery capacity. Also the UI would work with extension 8x battery extension.

2. Allow going to 60w from either 24w or 40w. (Now it's set to 24 to get to 60w. This would simplify UI and cut out a step...)

3. If possible have a condition that if rear switch is left on for 2 hours without light starting up turn standby off. Standby > 2 turn off. ( This would stop 50ma drain of rear standby switch if you forget to turn it off while light is stored. After a couple of days leaving light in standby mode would run your batteries down too low and shorten their life.)

4. Return low voltage blink back to the rear led on rear switch like FF3 (It may not be totally accurate but it does give you and indication that you don't have 4 fully charged and high quality batteries installed. Will give you some indication that you are running low on battery.)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: cchurchi on June 19, 2013, 02:41:35 AM
Hey Lips, still no word from Firefoxes on if a UI change was considered?



No word yet...




Some changes that may make the light more user friendly and a better seller
:

1. Allow multiple visits to 60w still keeping the 3 min time limit. (This would allow you to use the 60w brightness and allow the user to control the heat and battery capacity. Also the UI would work with extension 8x battery extension.

2. Allow going to 60w from either 24w or 40w. (Now it's set to 24 to get to 60w. This would simplify UI and cut out a step...)

3. If possible have a condition that if rear switch is left on for 2 hours without light starting up turn standby off. Standby > 2 turn off. ( This would stop 50ma drain of rear standby switch if you forget to turn it off while light is stored. After a couple of days leaving light in standby mode would run your batteries down too low and shorten their life.)

4. Return low voltage blink back to the rear led on rear switch like FF3 (It may not be totally accurate but it does give you and indication that you don't have 4 fully charged and high quality batteries installed. Will give you some indication that you are running low on battery.)

The FF4 will be absolutely perfect if these changes are made.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 19, 2013, 03:46:51 PM

Getting package ready with a few other parts!


     Cool. Thanks man.  I understand the fustration with settings, but I've got a FF3 and love it.  If you were selling a FF3 with SMO I would buy it.  The switchable 24W makes it awesome, and the abitlity to hit 60W makes it amzing for this price from a US distributor.  Thanks man! 

       The 40W setting is where it's at anyway.  If anybody hasn't tried a FF3 even, there is nothing I have or seen custom or production that comes close in a light remotely that size.  I've got lights with 4x the lumens but .25x the Lux, some with 33% higher Lux, but a little less than half the lumen and in a bigger light.


Lights landed this morning! lawallac sending your light out today priority. Test fired it up and works. Initial impressions are good. Fit and Finish is very good. No sound from this light and  UI is a little easier to deal with than I thought. Switching between 24 and 40 is a snap. Ran 60w for a few seconds and then back down to 24-40-34-40. Turned light off, hot restrike then back to 24 for a few seconds and back to 60w. Amazing how it does this quietly! I think you'll like her... Off to the post office!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on June 19, 2013, 10:45:53 PM

Getting package ready with a few other parts!


     Cool. Thanks man.  I understand the fustration with settings, but I've got a FF3 and love it.  If you were selling a FF3 with SMO I would buy it.  The switchable 24W makes it awesome, and the abitlity to hit 60W makes it amzing for this price from a US distributor.  Thanks man! 

       The 40W setting is where it's at anyway.  If anybody hasn't tried a FF3 even, there is nothing I have or seen custom or production that comes close in a light remotely that size.  I've got lights with 4x the lumens but .25x the Lux, some with 33% higher Lux, but a little less than half the lumen and in a bigger light.


Lights landed this morning! lawallac sending your light out today priority. Test fired it up and works. Initial impressions are good. Fit and Finish is very good. No sound from this light and  UI is a little easier to deal with than I thought. Switching between 24 and 40 is a snap. Ran 60w for a few seconds and then back down to 24-40-34-40. Turned light off, hot restrike then back to 24 for a few seconds and back to 60w. Amazing how it does this quietly! I think you'll like her... Off to the post office!

Thanks for checking it out and sending it today!  What cells did you run in it?  Exact carrier as my FF3?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 20, 2013, 03:27:27 AM

Getting package ready with a few other parts!


     Cool. Thanks man.  I understand the fustration with settings, but I've got a FF3 and love it.  If you were selling a FF3 with SMO I would buy it.  The switchable 24W makes it awesome, and the abitlity to hit 60W makes it amzing for this price from a US distributor.  Thanks man! 



       The 40W setting is where it's at anyway.  If anybody hasn't tried a FF3 even, there is nothing I have or seen custom or production that comes close in a light remotely that size.  I've got lights with 4x the lumens but .25x the Lux, some with 33% higher Lux, but a little less than half the lumen and in a bigger light.


Lights landed this morning! lawallac sending your light out today priority. Test fired it up and works. Initial impressions are good. Fit and Finish is very good. No sound from this light and  UI is a little easier to deal with than I thought. Switching between 24 and 40 is a snap. Ran 60w for a few seconds and then back down to 24-40-34-40. Turned light off, hot restrike then back to 24 for a few seconds and back to 60w. Amazing how it does this quietly! I think you'll like her... Off to the post office!

Thanks for checking it out and sending it today!  What cells did you run in it?  Exact carrier as my FF3?



Carrier looks exactly the same. Flashing low batt taken out of led's on FF4 carrier. I would assume a FF3 carrier would work in FF4. I used Panasonic 3100 unp. Headed out as it's dark to do a little testing and I'll try switching the carrier...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 21, 2013, 01:19:03 AM
Fit and finish of the FF4 is very good. The FF4 has much better heat handling characteristics and in my opinion superior to the FF3 in all ways except size (FF3 smaller and slightly more comfortable to handle) and the low bat flash of the led and or the simplicity of turning the light off in one place. F3 light and batteries got much hotter quickly than FF4. Beam characteristic is nice and good as it will get for throw without deeper/larger/coating reflector. Reflector is nice and polished SMO. Color temp of bulb is nice and seems to be slightly cooler than FF3 in a good way but that's subjective. The 24w mode is surprisingly bright and runs cool. With adapted eyes you may not know what level your at. Sometimes I would forget what level I was at and changed levels to make sure I was at 24 to go to 60w. Not a big deal since it so easy to change levels but if it went to 60w from either it wouldn't matter (hmm, something to add to wish list). The side switch is easy to use  and the light is very quiet. If you try and go to 60w too fast it will just go to 40w and I thought I was at 60w sometime. 60w is a nice pop in power for sure. Instinctively you want to turn the light off at the side switch as your controlling it from there. Given the brightness of the 24w and it's ability to manage the heat I'm more convinced the ability to go to 60w for shorter runs (keeping the 3 min if you need it) without turning the light on and off is a No-Brainer! It's an impressive light.
 

I believe the battery carrier is exactly the same. Carrier works on both lights.

The low voltage flash is built into the FF3 light electronics and not the carrier. Taken out of the FF4 electronics.


I'll work on new list of wants from the 4 pre post and include battery carrier you guys have mentioned and others...


Factory only has 2 first run lights in inventory to sell to dealers so considered sold out of 1st run. New production run to start soon.

My guess is there will be no "declared" changes (although I asked and waiting to here back) and functions will primarily remain the same. Either way, I'll go with this production run and take payments soon and be ready to ship. Two weeks and they should be ready to ship out new inventory... 2 lights in my inventory ready to sell now...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on June 21, 2013, 07:53:11 AM
Lips, I didn't get a good handle from your last post about how the interface is working on a practical basis regarding the 60W power off. 

Does this version allow you to go in and out of the 60W, or only into it from 24W, and then mandatory off no matter how briefly in 60W?  Or did they decide to make a change on this one point?  Is there any indication from them as to the likelihood that they will make changes if we wait?

If you are "going into this production run and taking payments" does that mean for practical purposes that you are mostly going with the light in this GB the way it is, or waiting to see if they get back to you on the obvious improvements before significant numbers are ordered?

Thank you sir!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 21, 2013, 04:06:53 PM
Lips, I didn't get a good handle from your last post about how the interface is working on a practical basis regarding the 60W power off. 

Does this version allow you to go in and out of the 60W, or only into it from 24W, and then mandatory off no matter how briefly in 60W?  Or did they decide to make a change on this one point?  Is there any indication from them as to the likelihood that they will make changes if we wait?

If you are "going into this production run and taking payments" does that mean for practical purposes that you are mostly going with the light in this GB the way it is, or waiting to see if they get back to you on the obvious improvements before significant numbers are ordered?

Thank you sir!



Hi Lux

Got a couple hours of playtime last night in the woods. Saw about 20 deer bedding down. Even got some decent beam shots although it was kind of misty out. I'll post them later. Had to remind myself how to take beam shots as it been a long time. Lux since your a hot-wire guy and know what it takes to get a bulb perfectly centered you need to be in-charge of the assembly line bulb installation department.
They get that bulb a friggen micro meter out of wack it makes a difference!  :director: :2bonk:




They aint talking... They may keep it the same and they may change things. Inventory is the stream so may not want to say.

I had a group of police (non forum) that wanted to try the light before they ordered a group of lights. They couldn't believe the light was as good as they heard as it's too cheap to be any good. I placed an order for some lights and they were out of stock to send to me. Hence I learned of the new production run about to commence. Came a little quicker than I thought although dealer inventory is out there.  I mentioned previously I would ramp up on the second batch run as there are those that don't want to wait. I'll have lights from second run paid for and shipped to me as soon as they are ready...

I suspect small changes that occur from batch to batch. I don't think the main functions of the light will change but I don't know.  I believe it will be a progression to the changes and improvements. I have added to the list of 4 changes like back-lit on/off button with amber led for 24w - blue led for 40w and red led for 60w and some other things. Can't see the button in the dark and knowing what watt your on would be nice touch. Some type of battery indicator would be nice. I've already run into problem with a interested group that were unfamiliar with unprotected batteries. The going to 60w multiple times is the one that "yells" out but it may come with an upgrade down the road at some time. It can be worked around from it current format with a hot re-strike and less wait time...

The user interface is simple in practice much more so than on paper. You can turn on the light at 40w and if you want immediately switch to 24w and back and forth, simple. So if your looking to go to 60w from off, turn on and quickly pop to 24w, wait till it warms up (if the light is hot already you don't have to wait near a much as on a cold start). If you do it from a cold start and try to go to 60w without waiting it just goes to 40w (which is bright). The levels of brightness are not "parting your hair" brighter when you switch wattage and it does it very quietly. When you go to 60w you can stay there for 1 second to 3 min and go back to 24w or 40w (as long as light not to hot to hold!) and continue using the light till batts give out. The 24w is the big surprise for me. It's tons of light with great throw and very usable while controlling the heat and battery. Going to 60w multiple times will come at some point sooner or later because it just makes sense. Protected batteries will come because it's easier to sell lights with protected cells...  I'll keep getting feedback from you guys and gals on what would make a better light, put it in list form and forward it till the paint comes off the keyboard!   The FF4 out-classes the FF3 and is a very solid light.


1 Light left in stock for me, Get It!





These caps are really nice for protecting the lens. Don't put them on a hot light!
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/AF9FB686-BD9D-4B46-94B5-F8164CBF0091-17464-00001A3791AD89C7_zpsab18e931.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/AF9FB686-BD9D-4B46-94B5-F8164CBF0091-17464-00001A3791AD89C7_zpsab18e931.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 22, 2013, 01:24:24 PM
Hope to get beamshots up soon.


Looks like my price is cheapest on the internet now! I imagine selling anything at below your total cost is no fun no mater where you are!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lenwold on June 23, 2013, 09:59:44 AM
Hey Guys

Some help needed here...
Last night I took my new FF4 out along with my OSTS Modded TN31 (246kcd), first run XM-L version.
I purchased it from flashlight-torch.com.
Trouble is, my FF4 DOES NOT out-throw my TN31? It's more or less about the same throw as the TN31, it lights up so much more in general, but it does not out-throw it.

I am running Panasonic NCR18650PD's, fully charged. I made damn sure that I was using the 60W setting, I am using the UI correctly.
It's just that I have seen pictures of light meter readings for the FF4 showing that it has around 4 times the lux of the Olight X6, so I was expecting it to have more than 246kcd which my TN31 has.

When shining the FF4 around on a target at about 350m (huge tree line on edge of forest) it does not seem to have a defined hot-spot as such, more or less just one huge, and I mean really really huge! wall of light. So to sum up what I'm seeing with my unit - around 240kcd but rather than a 'hot spot' like my TN31, it just lights up a stupidly large area, but does not actually out throw the TN31.

The bulb on mine is slightly not straight could this be the trouble? Any ideas ?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 23, 2013, 11:02:34 AM
On BLF look at post 329, two post before yours. I mentioned bulb focus. Also the reflector is fairly shallow so you won't have a super wide lux. FF4 vs FF3 you have less light scatter and more center focus. It probably is not as much side to side but forward and back on the bulb. Not gonna make a stunning difference as you'll have the light just spread a little in beam pattern. 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 23, 2013, 03:57:53 PM

Wasn't a great day for beam shots as it was misty out. Haven't done them in a while. Starting to get a little daylight in sky late in shoot...

Full manual settings: iso200-.5sec-F2.8


I'm up on a big levee looking down in a valley. Deer laying all around...
1st set about 125 yards to tree
2nd set about 60 yards to building


Lights in shoot
Zebralight sc31, Led Zeplin Mod 7 x xre with 3 aspherical, FF3, FF4

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2264_zpsb4723f08.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2264_zpsb4723f08.jpg.html)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2270_zps223637c3.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2270_zps223637c3.jpg.html)




Led Zeplin 7 x xre
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2249_zps0ab056b7.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2249_zps0ab056b7.jpg.html)




FF3 40w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2251_zps5074b73e.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2251_zps5074b73e.jpg.html)




FF4 24w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2253_zps34fa64eb.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2253_zps34fa64eb.jpg.html)




FF4 40w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2254_zps31c68747.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2254_zps31c68747.jpg.html)




FF4 60w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2255_zpsb2405527.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2255_zpsb2405527.jpg.html)




2nd shoot:



Led Zeplin 7 x xre
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2257_zps2df10fc6.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2257_zps2df10fc6.jpg.html)




Zebralight XPG with rcr123  I could see it with my eyes but!
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2259_zpscfdae84d.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2259_zpscfdae84d.jpg.html)




FF3 40w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2258_zps3b7b7256.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2258_zps3b7b7256.jpg.html)




FF4 24w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2260_zps457125a2.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2260_zps457125a2.jpg.html)



FF4 40w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2261_zps714bb07b.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2261_zps714bb07b.jpg.html)



FF4 60w
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2262_zps4880b36c.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2262_zps4880b36c.jpg.html)





Cheers
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: JetskiMark on June 23, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
Thank you for the beam shots.

The smooth reflector in the FF4 sure helps it throw farther than the FF3.

Impressive little light.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on June 23, 2013, 11:06:07 PM
PM sent
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 24, 2013, 04:27:15 AM
PM sent

replied!


Sold out for the moment.

Around July 4th the second run is scheduled to finish production. I'm going to keep one of these lights coming for myself. If you want a light of this run please try to have paypal to me by Friday so I can have order placed and paid for so I will get shipping to me quickly after lights are produced... My paypal is under my forum name and it's $269 for USA. I'll research some international shipping charges and just pick an average price for international in next couple days.


You guys should have seen the bugs around me out in the woods! I held the lights by hand and put the camera on my truck so not how I used to do beamshots... I had to walk back and forth to get away from the bugs while the lights warmed up.



I have a nice little display on my camera that I'll try and take a video of in a few minutes. Shows a little neat highlighted area on hot spot at FF4 40w and 60w that does not show on FF3 40w...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 24, 2013, 05:33:05 AM


I'm a little embarrassed and jealous because Patriots videos are so good.  :-[




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/th_BE2F8A44-EFA5-4627-A7D1-244751305F95-19043-00001CA7AF9904CD_zps9abb7b39.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BE2F8A44-EFA5-4627-A7D1-244751305F95-19043-00001CA7AF9904CD_zps9abb7b39.mp4)



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/th_1A93D4BF-AD61-4779-9EF2-CDD6D0253270-19043-00001CA9ECE3591E_zpsde2e0c35.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/1A93D4BF-AD61-4779-9EF2-CDD6D0253270-19043-00001CA9ECE3591E_zpsde2e0c35.mp4)



Same Videos on Youtube:

[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USsaS_V9gCs[/yt]


[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMU6VJf4nQ[/yt]
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: JetskiMark on June 24, 2013, 05:36:55 AM
Lips,

I hope you do not mind that I made an animated gif from your beam shots.

I aligned, cropped and labeled the frames. Your tripod moved a little between each exposure.

If it is alright with you, I would like to post the gif to some of the other forums too.

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk96/JetskiMark/FF3vsFF4.gif)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 24, 2013, 05:51:03 AM
Lips,

I hope you do not mind that I made an animated gif from your beam shots.

I aligned, cropped and labeled the frames. Your tripod moved a little between each exposure.

If it is alright with you, I would like to post the gif to some of the other forums too.

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk96/JetskiMark/FF3vsFF4.gif)


No problem

I handheld the lights, bugs were about to fly me away. 1st scene was manual .8 sec f2.8 second scene I backed down to .5 sec f2.8 because building was giving too much feedback...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on June 24, 2013, 08:48:55 AM
The good thing about a SMO reflector is the throw, and your images capture it.  In fact the FF4 24W illuminates nearly the same as the FF3 40W.  As you described, the downside of the SMO reflector is the bulb alignment is crucial, and you don't want to bother with whitewall images, because you'll see all the artifacts.

Some of the best Incandescent reflectors were FiveMega's 2" Deep SMO, or a later version that had 1/2 SMO, and moving outwards had a gradual VLOP.  If you want a serious hotspot with an LED you pretty much need an aspheric.

Good points you raised about putting these in the hands of people that don't know jack about high current, unprotected Lithium Cobalt cells. You mentioned moving towards protected, but not sure if the delivered voltage is going to trigger current open circuit protection at 60W  You also know that inexperienced users are going to suck the living beejeebies out of whichever cells they use, and they will most likely start their journey with some type of cheap CrapFire cell.

Do you know when the extra parts (& their prices) we discussed earlier will come in if I send my PP ?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 24, 2013, 11:15:23 AM
Protected would be so much easier to offer light to non-forum groups that would buy in volume. 60%-40% no in market share for China mainland vs rest. Even if it required premium protected cells it would be easier in most markets as it's not feasible to educate most on unprotected cells in any efficient manor. All I can do is give feedback and make suggestions!

I'll see if parts will be ready by 4th and they figured a cheaper way to ship to keep the cost way down... 1st quote was ems, the shipping almost as much as the $25 carrier... Too high!





Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 24, 2013, 11:27:54 AM


Manual  .5   F2.8  Handheld lights

Jetski feel free to work some magic on these!



Didn't look to my eye Deft was coming close to the lux. I'll re-shoot at some point and tamp down the exposure and see what happens...



Gladius - Deft (carbon) - FF3 - FF4

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2278_zps2ec65214.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2278_zps2ec65214.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2279_zpsa34b4392.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2279_zpsa34b4392.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2280_zpsbc397906.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2280_zpsbc397906.jpg.html)





Gladius

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2271_zps9397d352.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2271_zps9397d352.jpg.html)




Deft (carbon)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2272_zps0818d3e7.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2272_zps0818d3e7.jpg.html)




FF3 40w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2274_zps84dad4d6.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2274_zps84dad4d6.jpg.html)




FF4 24w


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2275_zps953c28d7.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2275_zps953c28d7.jpg.html)




FF4 40w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2276_zps72613b58.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2276_zps72613b58.jpg.html)






FF4 60w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on June 24, 2013, 01:56:46 PM
Beautiful pics Lips, have you seen what are the best solutions for the international shipping to us? We hope to be informed before the arrival of the second batch of ff4 so be prepared.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on June 24, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
Nope, regular deft is 150k lux. Even ff3 has it by almost 100k lux and 4000 lumens.  I have a deft like that and another souped-up deft Saab did that is 230k.  It should be the same as ff3 but minus 93% of the lumens.  I think your pictures are the best I have seen actually.  Maybe some greater range but the setting are great.  I have a new Nikon that I need to figure out 24.2 MP dslr and manual settings are tricky. 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on June 24, 2013, 02:55:06 PM
Great pics Lips!  Really shows how the new reflector tightens up the beam.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on June 25, 2013, 02:14:23 AM
Thanks for the photos and the video. Looking forward to getting my FF4 when the next shipment arrives.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on June 26, 2013, 12:50:31 AM
Lips, how many are you getting in this next batch (if you know), and how many of those are paid for?  I'm trying to figure out how many are sitting back waiting to see if they make any changes to the programming, although from your posts, it seems they continue to have no responses to your questions/suggestions?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 26, 2013, 01:28:34 AM
Lips, how many are you getting in this next batch (if you know), and how many of those are paid for?  I'm trying to figure out how many are sitting back waiting to see if they make any changes to the programming, although from your posts, it seems they continue to have no responses to your questions/suggestions?



Getting 20 units of 2nd production run. 4 of 20 sold already. I have 2 non-forum groups that have test lights that are looking at 20 lights each if they like them. Don't think they will change other than some production stuff. Should hear back in a day if they will say if anything will change or not... Either way I like the light. If it changes, all the better if it stays the same it will likely stay the same for a while so going with it either way... At the price it's a great deal!

Working on International Rate. EMS, Priority, First Class.   I'll post 3 prices soon for international. (Shipping is ridiculous for ems over here...)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on June 26, 2013, 04:19:09 AM
OK, thanks for the update!  Guess I'll wait a few more days then to see if you hear back.

Yeah, if you want signature delivery confirmation (which is the ONLY way to protect yourself if they claim non-receipt--and which PayPal will take away from you in a claim dispute), there is no cheap shipping method outside CONUS.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on June 26, 2013, 08:18:29 AM
Lips, as well as the price of international shipping, we should also know the price of extras like the bulb and the battery holder.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Colonel Sanders on June 27, 2013, 06:27:00 AM
"I'm trying to figure out how many are sitting back waiting to see if they make any changes to the programming"

I am one...though I don't know how much longer I can hold out with all the cool beam shot pics coming out.  It looks like the new reflector of the FF4 really does the trick!

I REALLY don't want to click it off and back on and then to 24w before I can hit 60w again. :rolleye:  Just give us at least that one little change Fire Fox!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Dmitriyrus on June 27, 2013, 07:44:29 AM
+1
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Rovert on June 27, 2013, 07:46:04 AM
Yep, me too.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 27, 2013, 12:23:58 PM
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UPDATE:



Official, No change to functions of light in 2nd batch run. QC will pay attention to bulb placement.


They will take recommendations for light into consideration. Probably be FF5 for major upgrades.


I think the FF4 is a good light and will perform well for you. Work around the revisiting the 60w. For the price they are now you should be able to get all or most or a reasonable amount of your money back if you sell light as next light will likely be a wait and more expensive...



International Prices: Anywhere

First Class = $269
Priority = $285
Exp M I = $294

All Domestic and International lights get free lens cover with Fire-Foxes FF4 Label


Extra Parts:
Extra Bulbs $11
Battery Carrier $25
Still working on Bulb Base
At cost to you plus shipping to me then to you. Working on shipping cost to nail it down...



Interested please paypal me ASAP (paypal under my forum name) We can deal with parts later and get correct amount of lights ordered...


thanks


LIPS
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on June 27, 2013, 03:38:18 PM
OK, I'm in, I'll grab one of these.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on June 27, 2013, 09:39:34 PM
Same with me.  It's your high pressure sales job, Lips!   :D

$321 sent for Priority Mail + Bulb + Battery Carrier.

Thanks again so much for doing this!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: walterr839 on June 27, 2013, 09:48:20 PM
Lips

I'm in

Walterr839

PayPal to follow $269
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on June 27, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
Hello Lips, for now five FF4 safe with extra bulb. Following the precise number and pay with PayPal. Thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: slick_squeakers on June 27, 2013, 11:45:09 PM
Thanks Lips, Paypal sent $269.

Where is everyone getting batteries from?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rejsr on June 28, 2013, 01:34:11 AM
These fit and work perfectly:

http://www.orbtronic.com/batteries-chargers/panasonic-3400mah-18650-li-ion-battery-cell-ncr18650b (http://www.orbtronic.com/batteries-chargers/panasonic-3400mah-18650-li-ion-battery-cell-ncr18650b)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rejsr on June 28, 2013, 01:43:25 AM
Or a little cheaper here (if you don't mind waiting a bit for overseas shipping):

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1345500 (https://www.fasttech.com/p/1345500)

These should work as well (although less mAh):

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1233700 (https://www.fasttech.com/p/1233700)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Taschenlampe Dude on June 28, 2013, 12:26:37 PM
 :ppsent:  Thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on June 28, 2013, 03:30:16 PM
[quote author=rejsr link=topic=13795.msg119201#msg119201 date=1372383805
Or a little cheaper here (if you don't mind waiting a bit for overseas shipping):

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1345500 (https://www.fasttech.com/p/1345500)

These should work as well (although less mAh):

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1233700 (https://www.fasttech.com/p/1233700)
[/quote]
Be careful the orbtronic link appears to be 65mm flat top 3400s and FT is 67mm 3400s with buttons although they do sell both with the flats being even a bit less.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rejsr on June 28, 2013, 10:22:59 PM
You are correct.  The NCR18650B flat tops are in my FF4 now and fit perfectly.  Thanks for pointing out the difference.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rejsr on June 29, 2013, 02:10:49 AM
I just tried the button tops and they fit too (although just barely)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 29, 2013, 06:00:11 AM
Nope, regular deft is 150k lux. Even ff3 has it by almost 100k lux and 4000 lumens.  I have a deft like that and another souped-up deft Saab did that is 230k.  It should be the same as ff3 but minus 93% of the lumens.  I think your pictures are the best I have seen actually.  Maybe some greater range but the setting are great.  I have a new Nikon that I need to figure out 24.2 MP dslr and manual settings are tricky. 


Makes sense then. Wasn’t sure what that model of the deft’s lux was. Wonder if that model of the Deft could have a Wavien collar installed on it and better led to boost the lux?

I used to do allot of beam shots with tri-pods etc. I usually stay around .5 to 1 sec  at full aperture on manual and maybe a little ISO adjustment. Underexpose what the small viewfinder shows you because on a bigger screen everything gets brighter. Overexpose kinda ruins the shots…



Great pics Lips!  Really shows how the new reflector tightens up the beam.

2mm deeper and wider smo reflector helped for sure. Never like a too floody HID.



Same with me.  It's your high pressure sales job, Lips!   :D

Thanks again so much for doing this!

Fun light at an awesome price, time to rock and roll!   :headbang:

And you get unlimited PM's at this forum just considering a Fire-Foxes  :fingerdance:


Hello Lips, for now five FF4 safe with extra bulb. Following the precise number and pay with PayPal. Thanks

Viva Italia! Hey I’m half Italian!   :color: :usa2:

Let me know in paypal comment section if your guys want special instructions on shipment (in past some have split paypal into two payments and or $ amount to be listed at etc.)






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I looked these batteries up for a non-forum buyer at fastech. I believe these are correct.


NCR18650B   3400mah flat top  14.79 for 2 free shipping  SKU 1141100

NCR18650PD 2900mah (true 10amp) 14.96 for 2 free shipping SKU 1233700

Both around 65mm. The NCR18650PD for handling 60w best if you plan on running on high allot…
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: walterr839 on June 29, 2013, 11:59:01 AM
Vic

PayPal sent 6/27/13

Thanks

Walterr839
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: TomInOregon on June 29, 2013, 03:24:33 PM
I'm still interested, but waiting for UI improvements.  The only thing holding me back is having to turn off the light to go back to 60W.  I would have much preferred having it come on at 24W, then use a short press of the side switch to toggle between 24W and 40W, with a press and hold the side switch to use 60W, then back to the last mode it was in when you release the side switch.  At any rate, it is starting to look like UI changes won't be coming, especially since the lights are selling as is.  If I didn't already have a FF3, I would jump at this, but since I do, I can wait for a more usable light.  Will be watching this thread with interest, and thanks for putting the group buy together!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on June 29, 2013, 06:54:37 PM
Gexil  :ppsent: from Ro.ma (I) Multiple Units TBD
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on June 29, 2013, 09:58:05 PM
Vic

PayPal sent 6/27/13

Thanks

Walterr839


Gexil  :ppsent: from Ro.ma (I) Multiple Units TBD


Got Gexil and Walter


List updated in post #2 with Paid 2nd Batch...



I'm still interested, but waiting for UI improvements.  The only thing holding me back is having to turn off the light to go back to 60W.  I would have much preferred having it come on at 24W, then use a short press of the side switch to toggle between 24W and 40W, with a press and hold the side switch to use 60W, then back to the last mode it was in when you release the side switch.  At any rate, it is starting to look like UI changes won't be coming, especially since the lights are selling as is.  If I didn't already have a FF3, I would jump at this, but since I do, I can wait for a more usable light.  Will be watching this thread with interest, and thanks for putting the group buy together!


Yep, going to 60w could have been easily done. I can tell you why I think it was not done. The market at the moment is around 60% China mainland and 40% Europe/Usa/Australia etc. China flashoholics had most influence on features and their feedback led to the change from 1 min to 3 min on 60w high. They wanted the longer run-time at 60w which was a good thing. If they wanted the flexibility to have shorter burst at 60w it would have been done. I think as the market grows for the lights things will change. To mainstream the lights protected batteries "have" to be implemented (even though protection is in the carrier). It is too hard to educate users on unprotected batteries without a knowledge base most have on the forums. Anyone with a target market as small as the forums simply won't go beyond semi custom lights as it's just not enough critical mass. More growth and exposure to larger markets and what that customer base wants they will get...

On the overall user interface it's much simpler in person than it is on paper. On paper it looked like a "root canal" and with the short production - distribution time frame there wasn't much time to flush it out. In practice the UI is not complicated and is rather simple. On at 40w - immediately you can go to 24w or stay at 40w. If your using the light at 40w you can pop to 24w and you don't have to wait very long as the lamp is hot (manual says 15 sec but that's from cold start) to go to 60w. Going to 60w from either 24w or 40w is not near as big a deal as it is on paper although it may be a slight improvement in the UI. In practice it's no biggie...

Coming on at 24w as you prefer would probably mean a slower warm-up as your starting the bulb off at lower amps. What your describing if I'm understanding correctly is a momentary usage of the side button to go to 60w. This is exactly how the old (2006) Rayzorlite and Rayzorbeam searchlights worked. They started out in 35w and you used the boost button to press and hold to go to 50w. I can tell you with certainty I HATTED it! Granted they were larger searchlights than the Fire-Foxes but keeping your finger on the button was a pain in practical use and if you wanted to set the lights down you had to rig a way to keep the button pressed down. Press and forget in practical use has its advantages... The Rayzors had lighted LED buttons and a multi colored led system for telling you what the battery level was at. (These features lighted buttons and multi colored led's added to want list on Fire-Foxes) The Rayzors (Razorbeam version) also had the ability to warm the bulb up and then from the off position flash the HID bulb at the press of a button for signaling (Navy requirement for the lights) Not good for bulb life but it works nicely. The FF4 changes so easily & quickly and quietly from 24w to 40w it's amazing for an HID. FF3 and FF4 sitting next to each other on the kitchen counter, I'm picking up the FF4 to go outside and play! $269 for this light is a steal for this light...

Lux, how am I doing on the hard sell!  :blinking:



edit: gramer!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 01, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
Srad78  :ppsent: from Ro.ma (I) Multiple Units TBD
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 01, 2013, 02:54:57 PM
Ro.ma.  :ppsent:   from Ro.ma (I) Multiple Units TBD
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 01, 2013, 04:16:33 PM
alex74  and Antoninodattola :ppsent: from Ro.ma (I) Multiple Units TBD
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 01, 2013, 08:42:13 PM
Ok Lips five of my group including myself we have sent paypal payment. Tomorrow it will almost certainly add another. We look forward to the shipment of FF4. Now look to hear from you. Thank you.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 01, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
Ok Lips five of my group including myself we have sent paypal payment. Tomorrow it will almost certainly add another. We look forward to the shipment of FF4. Now look to hear from you. Thank you.


Hi ro.ma.


2nd post updated: Thanks!


            Gexil  (Initials F.D.) PAID 2ND B
            Ro.Ma. (Initials R.M.)  PAID 2ND B
            Srad78 (Initials A.L.) PAID 2ND B
            Alex74 (Initials A.D.) PAID 2ND B
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 02, 2013, 06:30:51 AM
Added:

Ma_sha1  PAID 2ND B
LaserLarry  PAID 2ND B
troisanh
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 02, 2013, 06:46:29 AM
Hello Lips, Antoninodattola missing in your list. You do not is? In total should be five.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 02, 2013, 07:52:17 AM
Ok Lips five of my group including myself we have sent paypal payment. Tomorrow it will almost certainly add another. We look forward to the shipment of FF4. Now look to hear from you. Thank you.


Hi ro.ma.


2nd post updated: Thanks!


            Gexil  (Initials F.D.) PAID 2ND B
            Ro.Ma. (Initials R.M.)  PAID 2ND B
            Srad78 (Initials A.L.) PAID 2ND B
            Alex74 (Initials A.D.) PAID 2ND B


Hi ro.ma, glad you checked. I didn't get email confirmation on one of them but it was in paypal records. So corrected below.



            Gexil    (Geremia D.)     PAID 2ND B
            Ro.Ma. ( Roberto M.)    PAID 2ND B
Antoninodattola  (Antonino D.)  PAID 2ND B
            Alex74 (Alessandro L.)  PAID 2ND B
            Srad78 (Angela F.)        PAID 2ND B

Let me know if incorrect, thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 02, 2013, 01:36:09 PM
I checked it now everything is ok. Thank Lips.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 03, 2013, 08:06:51 AM
Added Casey1
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 03, 2013, 08:35:24 AM
Alessior100   :ppsent:  from Ro.ma (I) Multiple Units TBD
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: mhemling33 on July 03, 2013, 02:43:53 PM
 :ppsent: I am ordering just one for now to try out before ordering the other two
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 03, 2013, 08:26:01 PM



Updated List  :)


Runtime  Test

Sanyo 2600             24W   55min   40W  40min
Panasonic 2900        24W   65min   40W  55min
Panasonic 3400        24w      ?        40w     ?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on July 04, 2013, 03:19:55 AM
Looks like the 20 are gone. 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on July 04, 2013, 05:52:31 PM
Any update on the 2nd shipment coming?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 05, 2013, 03:43:51 AM
Looks like the 20 are gone. 

Yep, Gotta remember to keep one for myself as I'm missing the FF4  :D

Changed to 30 and now probably 35 on this shipment. Should have extra battery carriers and parts in too... I have all the lens covers in already. Looking for a cost effective hip carry solution and small hard case for the light and batteries...



Any update on the 2nd shipment coming?


I got an email this morning that 2nd production run is late 10 to 14 days, no reason given.  Sorry I just got notified today  >:(


I'll think of some type of light give-away during the interim for one winner that is ordering in this set...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: netmon22 on July 06, 2013, 11:14:24 AM
I was searching google for the ff4 when I came across this group buy. Is it to late to get in? I could paypal the funds immediately.
Thank You,
Chris
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: cchurchi on July 08, 2013, 03:06:57 AM
OK, I tired of seeing all the beam shots second hand. :'(

I'll take one from the next batch, if possible.

Lips, let me know the paypal address and price.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on July 08, 2013, 04:29:17 AM
Lux, how am I doing on the hard sell!  :blinking:

Brutal.  The pieces are falling perfectly into place for your master plan.  Did you tell them yet about the NSA chip?  LOL!

 :hiding:   :love6:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 08, 2013, 07:43:50 AM
Lux, how am I doing on the hard sell!  :blinking:

Brutal.  The pieces are falling perfectly into place for your master plan.  Did you tell them yet about the NSA chip?  LOL!

 :hiding:   :love6:


Lux, this is a "Fast and Furious" program! Sell to crazy flashlight people and don't trackem till the yellow tape comes out.  :icon_salut:   :violent5:


I'm a complete failure though until Kashmir and Jetskimark come out! Mark what kind of spark-plug does that jetski use. I'll kick one in with one gallon of "non ethanol" CFoam treated gas  :D




Adding:     :occasion14:

Lauri_L

cchurchi  >  ***269.00*** Total      Find Paypal under my user name, thanks!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 08, 2013, 08:39:00 AM

Lens covers ready to go  8)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/67B599B9-7901-45F5-BE19-DFA567B9F53E-27726-000029299174126F_zpsd43fea74.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/67B599B9-7901-45F5-BE19-DFA567B9F53E-27726-000029299174126F_zpsd43fea74.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 08, 2013, 10:59:35 AM
Hello Lips, do not make us feel abandoned these days. :(
As soon as you have news about shipping let us know. Let's hope that there are no other delays, we do not want to arrive in August month of holidays.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 09, 2013, 08:47:38 AM
Hello Lips, do not make us feel abandoned these days. :(
As soon as you have news about shipping let us know. Let's hope that there are no other delays, we do not want to arrive in August month of holidays.


Got you covered ro.ma. I'll let you know as soon as I get word from FF!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 10, 2013, 04:53:56 AM
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Update:

2nd Production Run

Email from Fire-Foxes dated July 9th

New FF4 will ready on next week.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 10, 2013, 10:39:13 AM
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.
Update:

2nd Production Run

Email from Fire-Foxes dated July 9th

New FF4 will ready on next week.
Very well, expect more good news. Thanks.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 10, 2013, 09:21:30 PM
Prices for USA and International at the top of 1st post

Paypal under my user name


Lights ready soon!   :D


Guaranteed 2nd Production Run. Beware of the snakes.    :-[






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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/DPP_05403_zps09945c83.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/DPP_05403_zps09945c83.jpg.html)



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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 11, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
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54. CASEY1  PAID 2ND B


Attention Casey1 (Leo)

Confirming you have paid and are good to go.

Check your incoming email account or spam account. I'm getting your emails but mine don't seem to be making it. I replied to all three emails at the time I got them and replied to your cpf PM with copy of one of the emails a few days ago.

thanks much!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 13, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
Checked with Fire Foxes today.


2nd Production run of FF4 still scheduled to be completed middle to end of next week.


Just keeping you updated!




Pic of the day! Fairy Tail or Story Telling Looking  ;)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/medusa_zps0b0b713b.jpeg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/medusa_zps0b0b713b.jpeg.html)









Looking at a few low cost, readily available solutions for infrared night vision output on the FF4:


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/KGrHqNrkFG9sdFYFPBRzZ9PCR-60_3_zps24105f07.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/KGrHqNrkFG9sdFYFPBRzZ9PCR-60_3_zps24105f07.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/T2eC16FHJGgFFme5Y-BBRwTV7j3vQ60_3_zpsb2bf247b.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/T2eC16FHJGgFFme5Y-BBRwTV7j3vQ60_3_zpsb2bf247b.jpg.html)




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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: TomInOregon on July 13, 2013, 09:38:28 PM
Is there any way of allowing UV and IR to pass through he lens unimpeded or, preferably, allowing certain wavelengths of each to pass through?  That would put me back on the purchase train.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 14, 2013, 08:38:12 AM
Is there any way of allowing UV and IR to pass through he lens unimpeded or, preferably, allowing certain wavelengths of each to pass through?  That would put me back on the purchase train.

To let the UV out you'd have to get a piece of high temp glass cut same size as the lens and replace the lens. What you gonna do with the UV?

For IR you can get a 750 - 850 - 950 filter very cheap. I'm going to get some and see if they will easily screw on to the 67mm head of the FF4. Also getting some extension hoods to create a little space from the filter for heat to see what works...

If you had high temp at certain waive lengths I'd imagine anything would work...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: TomInOregon on July 14, 2013, 05:21:27 PM
If the light generates the right wavelengths of both UV and IR, it could be used to test flame detectors as well, at 1/5th of the price of a commercial UV/IR test lamp.  If it worked, I could sell a few more of them for you to my employer.  I'll do a bit more research to see what wavelengths HID generally produces.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 14, 2013, 10:21:10 PM
If the light generates the right wavelengths of both UV and IR, it could be used to test flame detectors as well, at 1/5th of the price of a commercial UV/IR test lamp.  If it worked, I could sell a few more of them for you to my employer.  I'll do a bit more research to see what wavelengths HID generally produces.  Thank you.


The UV may actually work for them on these. The quartz is not on the bulb as usual HID bulb to block the UV. The lens blocks the UV so you have a HID bulb letting out the UV. Change the lens and UV out the front... On your research make sure you look at HID bulb without the quartz to see how much UV coming out...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 15, 2013, 05:41:34 PM
Update:


2nd Production Run almost finished...


Estimated shipping out from Fire Foxes to me in 3 days. Takes few days to get to me then...






Purchase info top of 1st Post!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 15, 2013, 10:48:59 PM
Also


For those that have bought a light or contacted me I will have 15 x spare battery carrier. 1 sold to Luxluthor so 14 left.

Price is $30 shipped for extra battery carrier, if anyone wants to add one to their order or get one. Send paypal with username and item under notes section...

I've sold all 10 bulbs coming but don't worry I'll keep some in stock... I'll have a few glass lens I'll keep in stock also...

 8)


Edit: those that ordered extra bulbs will get them with order... for clarity
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Jerrycobra on July 16, 2013, 06:46:17 AM
hello lips, Jerrycobra from BLF and CPF, i am interested in one, pay pal will follow soon.

I am completely new here, anything i should be aware of?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 16, 2013, 08:39:32 AM
hello lips, Jerrycobra from BLF and CPF, i am interested in one, pay pal will follow soon.

I am completely new here, anything i should be aware of?


Welcome Jerry, its all good.  :D


______________________________


Got payment ro.ma
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on July 16, 2013, 06:37:03 PM
Sweetness!   Gotta have a 2nd carrier.  Like having an extra gun clip!!!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: cchurchi on July 16, 2013, 07:49:38 PM
Sweetness!   Gotta have a 2nd carrier.  Like having an extra gun clip!!!

Magazine. ;)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 17, 2013, 11:10:49 PM


Added Jayrob PAID 2ND B


Waiting for shipping notice! Not yet...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 19, 2013, 06:35:00 AM

Added:

Jerrycobra
Darkgear (Head of Dept. of Homeland Security!)


Still waiting for shipping alert...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 20, 2013, 04:01:02 PM


Sorry fellows


Got notice today FF4 delayed, around 25th to be finished  :'(
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on July 20, 2013, 09:55:11 PM
That sux... but we'll live. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 21, 2013, 03:28:55 AM
That sux... but we'll live. Thanks for the update.

Yep! I missed a heads up email from a few days ago (rejected by there server and returned). Got notice in a cellphone text this morning...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: bigpond1966 on July 24, 2013, 02:02:11 AM
Lips, bigpond1966 here from GA please put me down for one. PP is on way asap. Thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 24, 2013, 02:16:49 AM
Lips, bigpond1966 here from GA please put me down for one. PP is on way asap. Thanks


Got it.

Added tonnes also.


All wires done. Waiting on Fire Foxes!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 24, 2013, 02:25:09 AM




9 lights available for purchase.
14 battery carriers available.  ($25 for those that want to add one to their existing order...)

See first post for prices...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 25, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
2nd Production Run finished.

6 boxes start shipping out tomorrow to me  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on July 26, 2013, 02:32:12 AM
This thing looks amazing. want a great price for a nice powerful hid thats high quality and not like the cheap ebay hids with blue beams. I really want one but got to get the funds rounded up first. how long do you see these being instock ?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 26, 2013, 07:10:53 AM
This thing looks amazing. want a great price for a nice powerful hid thats high quality and not like the cheap ebay hids with blue beams. I really want one but got to get the funds rounded up first. how long do you see these being instock ?

Welcome Alex

I'll get more in stock after this round sold out...





There were changes in manufacture on the second production run which had to do with firming up bulb and placement...

Too much war! 

$269 minimum selling price for everyone should be coming soon...



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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: jayrob on July 26, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
Quote from: Lips

There were changes in manufacture on the second production run which had to do with firming up bulb and placement...

Too much war! 

$269 minimum selling price for everyone should be coming soon...


Lips,

Any chance I can get on the list for also getting a replacement bulb for my round 2 light? :)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on July 26, 2013, 06:03:31 PM
Do you have an idea of what the lux numbers this thing is getting? I have a tn31 that i got modded with a dedomed xm-l2 direct bonded to copper driven to 6.5 amps. The throw is unreal for an led flashlight. someone on cpf compared it to his power on board hid and the modded tn31 keeps up with it and he estimated almost 500k lux. If this Fire fox can match it or beat it with 6000 lumens i will get one.    
 
This thing looks amazing. want a great price for a nice powerful hid thats high quality and not like the cheap ebay hids with blue beams. I really want one but got to get the funds rounded up first. how long do you see these being instock ?

Welcome Alex

I'll get more in stock after this round sold out...






There were changes in manufacture on the second production run which had to do with firming up bulb and placement...

Too much war!  

$269 minimum selling price for everyone should be coming soon...



.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 27, 2013, 03:26:05 AM

Jayrob

Lips,

Any chance I can get on the list for also getting a replacement bulb for my round 2 light? :)



_______________________________



Sure, I'll get more in and keep in stock. The 10 I have coming are sold already.

I have the bezel tools on order also to remove head, no ready yet...

I believe the bulb the way it's done on 2nd batch is a little different.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 27, 2013, 03:48:29 AM
Do you have an idea of what the lux numbers this thing is getting? I have a tn31 that i got modded with a dedomed xm-l2 direct bonded to copper driven to 6.5 amps. The throw is unreal for an led flashlight. someone on cpf compared it to his power on board hid and the modded tn31 keeps up with it and he estimated almost 500k lux. If this Fire fox can match it or beat it with 6000 lumens i will get one.   
 
This thing looks amazing. want a great price for a nice powerful hid thats high quality and not like the cheap ebay hids with blue beams. I really want one but got to get the funds rounded up first. how long do you see these being instock ?

Welcome Alex

I'll get more in stock after this round sold out...






There were changes in manufacture on the second production run which had to do with firming up bulb and placement...

Too much war! 

$269 minimum selling price for everyone should be coming soon...



.



I'd say lux would be in the same ballpark with much different beam patterns.


I have a lux meter but just use my eye on these. I've seen computer lux software done on the FF4 that is suppose to show output and runtime but they look all wrong. Jump around way to much and not accurate... If you look at the sphere testing on the FF3, that is what you should see because the ballast keeps the output level regardless of amps or voltage. Notice the rampup and then the level output of FF and Polarion.




Toppe posted these on CPF and interesting to look at: Labsphere FS2 of FF III vs Polarion PH40

FF III
http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/FF3_LabsphereFS2.png (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/FF3_LabsphereFS2.png)

Polarion PH40
http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/PH40_LabsphereFS2.png (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gixer/HID/PH40_LabsphereFS2.png)




Saw your pics on cpf of modded TN31, looks good! Hard to say without seeing beams side by side to compare.  Tight 1300 lumen vs broader 6000...


Deft and FF4.  Not really a good comparison because there such different lights... I'm sure someone out there has modded TN31 and FF!


Deft (carbon)  150,000 Lux

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2272_zps0818d3e7.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2272_zps0818d3e7.jpg.html)


FF4 60w

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/IMG_2277_zps1e3bb8cd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 27, 2013, 04:01:36 AM
12 FF4 and 15 battery carrier show up in tracking


15 FF4 are picked up and will show Monday

11 FF4 and Bulbs out Wed


I wrote feedback reports on bulb placement. They reply they paid particular attention on this...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on July 27, 2013, 05:07:12 AM
Is there a list you can put me one. Im about positive im going to buy one.  This thing has the best lumens
Per dollar ratio iv seen.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 27, 2013, 05:29:02 AM
Is there a list you can put me one. Im about positive im going to buy one.  This thing has the best lumens
Per dollar ratio iv seen.


On List

The list is mainly at this point for tracking who has paid and shipped. To hold a spot for inventory you need to paypal. No problem as I'll get more in and try and manage inventory with demand... (easier said than done!)



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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 27, 2013, 05:35:07 AM
Did a little Infrared testing today.


Need more testing  ;)
or more expensive parts!



FF3
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/13A8BB16-7C32-4718-9381-8D58C4091746-5522-0000083ECC3971C4_zps5f79f8ff.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/13A8BB16-7C32-4718-9381-8D58C4091746-5522-0000083ECC3971C4_zps5f79f8ff.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/55F7ED50-BD82-4807-8252-75DBC9363F60-5522-0000083ED4F15B30_zps6f7437ea.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/55F7ED50-BD82-4807-8252-75DBC9363F60-5522-0000083ED4F15B30_zps6f7437ea.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/9742B838-98BF-4686-B3CF-E9C4023072E5-5522-0000083EDCF47246_zpsa6414748.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/9742B838-98BF-4686-B3CF-E9C4023072E5-5522-0000083EDCF47246_zpsa6414748.jpg.html)



Point of failure!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/82AE6FCE-1591-4816-B148-5DC863461555-5522-0000083EE43B9D2C_zps362f39ae.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/82AE6FCE-1591-4816-B148-5DC863461555-5522-0000083EE43B9D2C_zps362f39ae.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 28, 2013, 01:19:29 AM
Added BeamEd to list


1st tweelve

2013-07-27  19:24:00    XIAN     Despatch from Sorting Center
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on July 28, 2013, 03:07:33 AM
If i ordered one now what what kind of eta would there be if you took a guess of getting it shipped to me.

Thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 28, 2013, 01:40:42 PM
If i ordered one now what what kind of eta would there be if you took a guess of getting it shipped to me.

Thanks


You would be in box of 11 FF4 shipping out this coming Wed. Coming EMS and depends on what customs does, (send it on or hold a few days). I get them and say test one day and ship next... Bout as close as I can get... Three more lights get paid I'll probably place another order soon to stock up before a light even gets here!


Cheers
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ma_sha1 on July 28, 2013, 03:00:06 PM
am I on the ship list this wed.?  will report lux...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on July 28, 2013, 03:20:54 PM
 :ppsent:  unique transaction id 2t4126715n986054f
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on July 28, 2013, 03:32:11 PM
Hello Lips, let me know if you received my answer (I often have problems to connect to the forum).

Thank you.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 29, 2013, 01:06:08 AM
ro.ma  PM sent!


added Alex1234  :thumbup:



ma_sha1 is in 2nd box already picked up by ems and will track on Monday (staggering these).  Be aware customs will dictate how things arrive in the end though!   :blinking:



6 Lights left to purchase now and 14 extra Battery Carriers
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on July 29, 2013, 04:28:40 AM
Hi lips

When you mentioned fire fox payed special attation to the bulb placement. What did you mean by that
And was there something wrong with bulb placement in the first batch.

Thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 30, 2013, 03:31:20 PM
Hi lips

When you mentioned fire fox payed special attation to the bulb placement. What did you mean by that
And was there something wrong with bulb placement in the first batch.

Thanks


I OCD on bulb placement from the hot-wire days, so I always would bring it up. Seeing multiple units at a time you'll see some differences... To me it makes a difference, to some probably wouldn't notice. To forum guys and gals probably makes some difference. No focus on the FF so getting a greater % in the margins is a worth while endeavor. I asked simply to take a look at the process and see what you can come up with before they hit the line...


A material change in adhesive and a change in focal placement (on average) on second run. Probably some other small changes I would guess that were not mentioned.

Who knows, maybe it was just to humor me  :D   Who knows if better, could be worse!


.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on July 30, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Thats good.  As long as mine has a centered enough bulb to have the classic hid beam
Profile im good lol
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on July 30, 2013, 05:57:58 PM
Here's a tidbit on focusing.  The Spectrolab NightSun has focusing ability from a 4 degree beam to a 20 degree beam.  That 16 degree change is obtained by only .200" of reflector movement.  So every .00125"  of movement changes the beam by one degree.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on July 30, 2013, 06:50:14 PM
Wow thats not much at all difference at all Hope they focused the ff4 for max throw
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BeamED on July 31, 2013, 04:48:38 PM
Vic,

New PayPal payment sent to you on 7-30-13. Did I read the earlier post that my light is in the first twelve? 

Thank you,

BeamED
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 31, 2013, 09:26:17 PM
1st Box 12 FF4


2013-07-31  04:33:00    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SAN FRANCISCO     Handed over to Customs 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 31, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
Vic,

New PayPal payment sent to you on 7-30-13. Did I read the earlier post that my light is in the first twelve? 

Thank you,

BeamED

You'll be in 2nd box of 15

2013-07-30  09:23:07    XIAN     Despatch from Sorting Center 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 01, 2013, 04:05:57 AM
Hi Lips,

would that also make me on the second batch or am i still the third batch. I know im of the fence between the two lol



Also what does the Packaging look like for the FF4

Thanks
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 01, 2013, 04:24:03 AM
All will be in 1st or 2nd shipping box as 6 Italian guys decided to wait till last box that has bulbs.

Pain for me but I'll go ahead and ship USA guys lights and then bulbs somehow after they arrive... Put them in some kind of small tube and soft package...





Box is same as FF3. To keep cost down on domestic I'll wrap in heavy paper and use it. Domestic flat rate box has gone way up!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/8B59E96B-5DB1-4C2C-AEB4-4A81CDA1ED72-8105-00000DA2C986B0CA_zpsdf81e746.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/8B59E96B-5DB1-4C2C-AEB4-4A81CDA1ED72-8105-00000DA2C986B0CA_zpsdf81e746.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 01, 2013, 06:44:19 PM
http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/beamshot-vergleiche/25883-ff3-ff4-ph50-rrt3.html (http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/beamshot-vergleiche/25883-ff3-ff4-ph50-rrt3.html)

Check this out. FF4 compared to ph50. FF4 is about the same throw as thr ph50 with a bigger spot
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 01, 2013, 10:57:08 PM
http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/beamshot-vergleiche/25883-ff3-ff4-ph50-rrt3.html (http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/beamshot-vergleiche/25883-ff3-ff4-ph50-rrt3.html)

Check this out. FF4 compared to ph50. FF4 is about the same throw as thr ph50 with a bigger spot

Those are great pics!


1st 12 out of customs, should be here pretty quick  :thumbup:

2013-08-01  12:20:00    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SAN FRANCISCO     Released from Customs 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 02, 2013, 06:25:56 AM
Wow that went through customs fast
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on August 02, 2013, 11:17:30 AM
Well, I recommend six of these are for me and my Italian friends. :D
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: nueces on August 02, 2013, 09:20:22 PM
New guy here.  PM sent to lips.  I sure would like to get in on this GB.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: nueces on August 03, 2013, 04:43:33 AM
Paypal sent.  Thanks Lips!   :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 03, 2013, 02:22:22 PM
Paypal sent.  Thanks Lips!   :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:



Added nueces as Paid, Thanks!



Looks like they'll probably get here Monday  8)

Send these out as long as units pass "eye-shake-beam" test...      :blinking:

Lauri_L
Rdrfronty
Larry K
BVH
LuxLuthor
slick_squeakers
walterr839
Taschenlampe Dude
Nitekayak
ma_sha1
LaserLarry
CASEY1




------------------

4 lights Available landing soon for purchase. See 1st post. Also extra battery carriers available...

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 03, 2013, 05:19:42 PM
what does the eye shake beam test look for
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: snypr on August 03, 2013, 11:24:57 PM
Payment sent, Lips, I will send you the transaction #
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on August 04, 2013, 04:35:04 AM
Really cool! Looking forward to getting this little beasty.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 04, 2013, 01:52:23 PM
what does the eye shake beam test look for


Look over light for damage, shake light for loose parts (has happened before), fire each one up and run it next to other FF4 units.


I was very busy last night and all my batteries are dead  ;)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on August 04, 2013, 05:13:51 PM
Hello Lips, my friends and I (Ro.Ma. group), we decided that in fact it is best to do as you said yourself, that is to receive the ff4 and after the bulbs when they arrive. So maybe we can have them before going on vacation. So expect at least four of the first twelve that you have received.
Thank you for everything you do for us.

Thank you from CpfItalia
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 04, 2013, 07:38:03 PM
Hello Lips, my friends and I (Ro.Ma. group), we decided that in fact it is best to do as you said yourself, that is to receive the ff4 and after the bulbs when they arrive. So maybe we can have them before going on vacation. So expect at least four of the first twelve that you have received.
Thank you for everything you do for us.

Thank you from CpfItalia

Hello ro.ma

OK, I'll ask USA guys to let 6 CpfItalia guys go first as I had originally planed. I had translation problem on communication believing they wanted to wait for bulbs. They will be out of pocket soon so I'd like to take care of them ASAP.

12 lights arrived Saturday ahead of schedule. I spent all night Saturday learning and testing. Took pics and beam shots.

I have 2 of the 12 lights I'm not happy with (tint and focus) and don't won't to ship to forum guys so that leaves 10 ready to ship. The 2 are not that bad but I wouldn't pick one for myself so I'd rather cull them. I'm being picky on these for forum customers more so than usual to get good performing units to you guys...

Next box (15PCS FF4 and 6PCS lens) should be 2 or 3 days behind 1st and 3rd box of (11 FF4 ) already shipped also. I placed an order yesterday for 10 more lights also...

My apologies for the confusion and I'll get these out ASAP and with good performing units...


LIPS
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 05, 2013, 12:18:11 AM
thanks for doing thorough testing, makes me feel better about not getting a substandard one or a dud.
I will happily wait for this beast if need be :) this is going to be one awesome light  

im still in awe over the throw of my modded tn31.
on thing i really want to do is take the ff4 and my modded tn31 to the beach at night and shine them out into the mist and waves.
i did it with the Stanley hid before it died and it was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on August 05, 2013, 03:21:03 AM
I've got some new toys to keep me busy so I don't need mine right away if it helps.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 05, 2013, 02:45:57 PM
I've got some new toys to keep me busy so I don't need mine right away if it helps.

Thanks bud!


2nd box already arrived just now with postman so no wait. Need to test these... 3rd should be here in couple days...

10 going out today (6 to Italy)

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: lawallac on August 05, 2013, 06:47:42 PM
      Most people that I've had check out this light think some of my pure thrower LEDs out-throw it.  But I've measured many of my lights and know that my FF4 is 428K lux on high.  The main difference is the output profiles are so different.  LED reflectored lights put out an intensely focused spot with a very dim flood pattern.  My most powerful LED reflectored light puts out about 1800 OTF lumens and 298K lux.  But with 428K lux and 6000+ lumens you would think the FF4 would completely blow it away.  But it doesn't seem as great of a difference as the numbers would seem.       
 
 The high lux numbers generated by the FF4 are only located in a very very small intense area found in the beam pattern.  The rest of the 6000+ lumens contributes to the massive amount of spill in the beam pattern.  Beyond that, the bright spill causes the pupils to constrict.  Another couple things to be aware of is the if the light is used in high humidity the light scatter further lights up the foreground and with the amount of light output of this type you'll notice it becomes a moth's best friend.  So in comparing this light to any high intensity light just be aware of all these differences, most notable is the massive amount of super bright spill and smaller area of measurable super high intensity.  These are not defects, just a result of a super compact package, but may give you a false hope of a light that you expect to have a similar beam profile to your LED throwers.  Now if this light was built to be a pure thrower and had a special short arc capsule and larger reflector, you would get something more like a Maxabeam type of body and not the super compact light that the FF4 is.  I think it would be great if FF did design a short arc model with a somewhat larger reflector with a beam profile more similar to the LED throwers.  Maybe they could produce 2-3M lux in a very compact thrower to complement these lights in a future design.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on August 05, 2013, 08:48:30 PM
If we keep in mind that it roughly takes a  4X's increase in output to see only a significant difference in brightness then what you're saying makes sense.  With only double Lux, it won't appear that much different.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 06, 2013, 12:48:02 AM
      Most people that I've had check out this light think some of my pure thrower LEDs out-throw it.  But I've measured many of my lights and know that my FF4 is 428K lux on high.  The main difference is the output profiles are so different.  LED reflectored lights put out an intensely focused spot with a very dim flood pattern.  My most powerful LED reflectored light puts out about 1800 OTF lumens and 298K lux.  But with 428K lux and 6000+ lumens you would think the FF4 would completely blow it away.  But it doesn't seem as great of a difference as the numbers would seem.       
 
 The high lux numbers generated by the FF4 are only located in a very very small intense area found in the beam pattern.  The rest of the 6000+ lumens contributes to the massive amount of spill in the beam pattern.  Beyond that, the bright spill causes the pupils to constrict.  Another couple things to be aware of is the if the light is used in high humidity the light scatter further lights up the foreground and with the amount of light output of this type you'll notice it becomes a moth's best friend.  So in comparing this light to any high intensity light just be aware of all these differences, most notable is the massive amount of super bright spill and smaller area of measurable super high intensity.  These are not defects, just a result of a super compact package, but may give you a false hope of a light that you expect to have a similar beam profile to your LED throwers.  Now if this light was built to be a pure thrower and had a special short arc capsule and larger reflector, you would get something more like a Maxabeam type of body and not the super compact light that the FF4 is.  I think it would be great if FF did design a short arc model with a somewhat larger reflector with a beam profile more similar to the LED throwers.  Maybe they could produce 2-3M lux in a very compact thrower to complement these lights in a future design.

Good description  :D


I gotta get me one of those high powered LED throwers.



I took a few beam shots of FF4 vs the BVH Blitz big head. I'll post soon. Going to sleep as those custom forms wore me out!



10 lights shipped and should have as many or more shipped tomorrow...


 




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Iphone 4s   :rolleye:

Underexposed FF4 60w
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Underexposed BVH Blitz 85w

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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: LuxLuthor on August 06, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Lips, like BVH if you needed to ship those to the Italians, no problemo.  You'll always take care of us.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 06, 2013, 03:05:59 AM
Hi Lips,
If you want a 400k lux led super thrower i recommend Vinh's modded k40 group buy.

To give you an idea of the throw of my modded tn31 from vinh. At the bottom of the link (ilikeflashlights) posted beamshots comparing it to his power-onboard Hid and
the the tn31 really beats it by a surprising amount. 

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?298431-vinhnguyen54-K40-Thrower-The-Pre-order-Batch-2-160-Shipped-w-BOX (http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?298431-vinhnguyen54-K40-Thrower-The-Pre-order-Batch-2-160-Shipped-w-BOX)!!!

lol at the size of the Blitz reflector.  I got to know how much lux that thing makes?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on August 06, 2013, 04:48:13 PM
Hi Lips, I read that you sent the ff4 to our group. By sending Exp MI how long it takes, according to you, it will arrive in Milan at customs?
We await the tracking numbers to follow the shipment.
Thank you again.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 07, 2013, 11:06:24 AM
Hi Lips,
If you want a 400k lux led super thrower i recommend Vinh's modded k40 group buy.

To give you an idea of the throw of my modded tn31 from vinh. At the bottom of the link (ilikeflashlights) posted beamshots comparing it to his power-onboard Hid and
the the tn31 really beats it by a surprising amount. 

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?298431-vinhnguyen54-K40-Thrower-The-Pre-order-Batch-2-160-Shipped-w-BOX (http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?298431-vinhnguyen54-K40-Thrower-The-Pre-order-Batch-2-160-Shipped-w-BOX)!!!

lol at the size of the Blitz reflector.  I got to know how much lux that thing makes?

Subscribed to thread and been watching it. The 6.5 amp 40. Would make a nice addition to my arsenal!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 07, 2013, 11:23:38 AM

Shipped Dropped of Mon and they did some Tues

Srad78          Express
Gexil                  ''
Roma                 ''
Alessior100         ''
Antoninodattola   ''
Alex74                ''

Slick-Squeakers   Priority  (I have tracking on these. Should arrive quick)
rdrFronty            ''
walterr839          ''




Tue     Track #'s on these...

Taschenlampe Dude     Priority
Luxluthor                      ''
cchurchi                        ''
mhemling33                  ''
Nitekayak                     ''
Casey1                        ''
Jerry Cobra                  ''
bigpond1966               ''
LaserLarry                  ''
Ma_Sha1                    ''


3rd box out of customs and should land today or tomorrow for test and ship.

Had to pull two units from second 12. One bad out of focus and one loose part bouncing around ballast which shorted something. Bezel tools arriving in 3rd box so I can see if I can customize the bulb placement  8)  4 out of 24 I pulled as I was being picky on 2 of them...

4th box with 10 extra units shipped yesterday also...



Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 07, 2013, 11:33:50 AM
Hi Lips, I read that you sent the ff4 to our group. By sending Exp MI how long it takes, according to you, it will arrive in Milan at customs?
We await the tracking numbers to follow the shipment.
Thank you again.

Said 3 to 5 days delivery. I know over here sometimes customs will hold a package for a while but let majority go quickly. Not sure how EU handles customs...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 07, 2013, 11:52:32 AM

Change I noticed on the 15 Spare battery carriers I received of which I have 14 left for sale...

On the FF3 and 1st and 2nd batch (so far) LED's on battery carriers are very dim. On the 15 spare battery carriers I received they are much brighter. Kinda like the brighter better as there is no doubt you have the standby rear switch on... This may show up in this run of 300 lights at some point but all the units I've seen so far have the dim LED's in carrier...



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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 07, 2013, 12:41:34 PM
how much is extra battery carriers
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 07, 2013, 01:24:03 PM
how much is extra battery carriers


Selling these at actual cost to FF4 buyers plus shipping. Since you have a light coming it would be $25 even!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on August 07, 2013, 02:45:06 PM
Hi Lips,
Now it turns tracing.

Priority Mail International Express ™
Electronic Shipping Info Received
August 7, 2013

I'm writing when ff4 came from us. Regarding the bulbs (and one spare glass), like you said at the beginning, you can send them all to Gexil and then we arrange ourselves.

See you again and thank you.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on August 07, 2013, 02:52:44 PM
I might have missed it, but why the need for extra carriers? Do you just figure if something will fail it would likely be it since it has the switch and metering stuff built in? And some feel because of that its a good idea to have a spare? For the reasonable price you asking, I can understand doing that. Just trying to make sure I didn't miss something. I guess I just assumed a ballast or bulb was just as likely to go out as the carrier. But I'm fairly new to the HID world.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: mhemling33 on August 07, 2013, 04:02:07 PM
I might have missed it, but why the need for extra carriers? Do you just figure if something will fail it would likely be it since it has the switch and metering stuff built in? And some feel because of that its a good idea to have a spare? For the reasonable price you asking, I can understand doing that. Just trying to make sure I didn't miss something. I guess I just assumed a ballast or bulb was just as likely to go out as the carrier. But I'm fairly new to the HID world.

My understanding is that people will cut the spring length in order to fit protected cells in the carrier so they want an extra one
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on August 07, 2013, 04:31:13 PM
I might have missed it, but why the need for extra carriers? Do you just figure if something will fail it would likely be it since it has the switch and metering stuff built in? And some feel because of that its a good idea to have a spare? For the reasonable price you asking, I can understand doing that. Just trying to make sure I didn't miss something. I guess I just assumed a ballast or bulb was just as likely to go out as the carrier. But I'm fairly new to the HID world.

My understanding is that people will cut the spring length in order to fit protected cells in the carrier so they want an extra one
It is true. I know people who have done with FF3 as you said yourself.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: BVH on August 07, 2013, 05:08:09 PM
That looks like an interesting "dinner" you're going to have with all those FF4's on the kitchen counter waiting to be prepared.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 07, 2013, 09:08:30 PM
 I got some (gitd) para-cord from lighthound and i did the Koppo Lanyard wrap on my Modded tn31 and it turned out way better then i thought as this was my first time doing this. i think i might order more and do the same thing with my FF4.

(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/alexander2893/7d94be6d-e652-4f4a-8a4c-4cf54ebfc951.jpg) (http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/alexander2893/c80ed05a-0aa6-48a4-84cf-1b9537e51b3c.jpg) (http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/alexander2893/8fe1501b-3849-464e-8364-d6a451df7f2a.jpg) (http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/alexander2893/34ea3429-d5f3-4145-9f0a-2ada0826544f.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: walterr839 on August 09, 2013, 12:54:29 AM
arrived today
batteries charged
time to go play and compare to FF III and OSTS Tn31 MB
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on August 09, 2013, 02:35:41 AM
Got my FF4 into today. Thanks Lips! Nice little light. Packed very well and no issues there. Did a quick test on it in my lightbox and thought others might be curious with my results -
Low(24wt) - 2900 lumens
Med(40wt) - 5225 lumens
High(60wt) - 7010 lumens
Throw(from 15m) - 430k
So pretty impressive numbers. I do find the - one time only high - thing pretty annoying, especially since there is no indicator if its on high. And medium isn't to far behind it, so not so easy to visually tell the difference.
But over all I'm pleased with the light. Performs at or above my expectations. So anybody looking for a powerful little HID - the FF4 is a winner!
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 09, 2013, 02:38:56 AM
Got my FF4 into today. Thanks Lips! Nice little light. Packed very well and no issues there. Did a quick test on it in my lightbox and thought others might be curious with my results -
Low(24wt) - 2900 lumens
Med(40wt) - 5225 lumens
High(60wt) - 7010 lumens
Throw(from 15m) - 430k
So pretty impressive numbers. I do find the - one time only high - thing pretty annoying, especially since there is no indicator if its on high. And medium isn't to far behind it, so not so easy to visually tell the difference.
But over all I'm pleased with the light. Performs at or above my expectations. So anybody looking for a powerful little HID - the FF4 is a winner!

i think i read somewhere you have a vinh modded tn31. How much difference in throw do u see compared to the ff4
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on August 09, 2013, 03:48:04 AM
Visually the TN31 that Vinh did looks like it has a much brighter hot spot. That's likely due to the FF4 putting out so much light, its hot spot isn't as noticeable a contrast to its flood vs the 6.5A TN31. Kinda like comparing apples to oranges. Both are impressive, but in very different ways.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 09, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Busy testing and packing up more lights for shipping today!

When I get through with the rush I'm going to take one apart and play with the focus on these. I believe I can push the Lux and Throw some on a test unit...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: mhemling33 on August 09, 2013, 11:33:33 PM
received mine today! I am definitely impressed with it so far. Compared to the FF3 the one that bothers me slightly is the shortened handle area. The FF3 I can grasp my entire hand around the handle while the FF4 I only get three fingers and then my index finger has to go on the step up ledge. This is nothing critical it just makes it feel a little more awkward to me... I'll probably get use to it though. I appreciate all you are doing for us lips! Thanks

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s636/mhemling33/IMG_0466_zpsdcd6a7c8.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 10, 2013, 04:51:28 AM
Got my shipping notice today. Will most likely be here monday. Going to take beamshot agenst my modded tn 31.

Thanks for keeping us all up to date lips
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Taschenlampe Dude on August 10, 2013, 01:34:34 PM
received mine today! I am definitely impressed with it so far. Compared to the FF3 the one that bothers me slightly is the shortened handle area. The FF3 I can grasp my entire hand around the handle while the FF4 I only get three fingers and then my index finger has to go on the step up ledge. This is nothing critical it just makes it feel a little more awkward to me... I'll probably get use to it though. I appreciate all you are doing for us lips! Thanks

I received mine yesterday as well.  Your picture shows the extra space on the FF3 barrel very clearly and I agree with your assessment of the shorter FF4.  I don't have particularly large hands and yet it felt rather front-heavy and just slightly too short (perhaps by 3/8-1/2") for a natural, comfortable grip. 

I took it out for a brief test last night and was very favorable impressed with its performance.  Conditions weren't ideal and there was more light pollution than I would have liked but I think I'm going to like this light a lot.



Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: bigpond1966 on August 11, 2013, 02:38:11 AM
Lips, I got my ff4 several days ago.  Nice packaging and a very nice torch!  I am so pleased with it.  A  tk 70 and  75 are the only lights I have to compare it to and it's not even close. (even at 40 w.)  It has been a pleasure doing business with you.
ps. please let me know when you have some spare bulbs in stock, I would love to get a couple. thanks bigpond1966
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Jerrycobra on August 11, 2013, 04:30:37 AM
i lust got the light in the mail, the packaging is nice and intact, box is next to undamaged, i will update a bit later when i fire it up
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 11, 2013, 09:02:20 AM
Welcome fellows and thank you for your business!


Feel free to send any business my way and post your feedback around.


Hopefully we can effect some nice upgrades and improvements on future versions of the Fire Foxes with feedback...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 11, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
More lights available early this week.






Few Pics



FF3 vs FF4

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Double O-Rings on FF4
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Thinker metal on head FF4
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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 11, 2013, 11:49:44 PM

Nice beam-shots with 29 lights including FF4. Done by rdrfronty, nice work!




BLF

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/23875 (http://budgetlightforum.com/node/23875)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: rdrfronty on August 12, 2013, 12:56:54 AM
Yeah I had fun doing those shots. I do admit, the FF4 did impress me. It put out a huge amount of light for a very long distance.
I had doubts about the 430k I had tested mine at last week. But not any more. It got to my 555m target and well beyond.
We had a Yezl 85 wt HID out there too, but the battery pack failed on us. Would have been interesting to compare that big HID to the FF4. I know it would fall short of the FF4 though with the 291k we measured it at.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: troisanh on August 12, 2013, 01:49:19 AM
How much for spare lens along with extra bulb shipped Lips?

Since my light and bulb haven't shipped yet.  Thanks again.

Linh
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Jerrycobra on August 12, 2013, 03:10:08 AM
how do you replace the bulb when it burns out? do you open the top? also i have a few tiny pinhole imperfections on the reflector, but it shouldn't affect the beam much of at all.  also i cant really try it out much, it's way too much power for my residential street, i will wake everyone up XD.

 i went from a bc40 straight to this, 8x power upgrade, lol
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 12, 2013, 05:15:15 PM
i got my ff4 10 minutes ago. i put my ncr18650b batteries in and fired it up. its so dam bright. the corona is huge and i fell like it could throw farther if the bulb was moved to a better height in the reflector. but it still gets close to my modded tn31 in throw. it gets hot very fast and takes awhile to cool down when turned off.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: jayrob on August 13, 2013, 12:30:27 AM
Got mine today! :toothy9:

Awesome...

Thanks Vic! :occasion14:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 13, 2013, 10:10:52 AM
how do you replace the bulb when it burns out? do you open the top? also i have a few tiny pinhole imperfections on the reflector, but it shouldn't affect the beam much of at all.  also i cant really try it out much, it's way too much power for my residential street, i will wake everyone up XD.

 i went from a bc40 straight to this, 8x power upgrade, lol


Bulb rated at 2500 hours so you should not have to change it out. Even at half that you shouldn't have to change it. Changing it is not a simple drop-in. It's not extremely difficult but requires removing some heat silicon inside the ceramic where the bulb seats. Can be done but not fun!



Somebody asked about run-times:


Runtime  Test

Sanyo 2600             24W   55min   40W  40min
Panasonic 2900        24W   65min   40W  55min
Panasonic 3400        24w      ?        40w     ?

Guy I sold one to ran it continuously at 60w. Not sure what batteries he used. Got 7 min at 60w... (3 min + 3 min + 1 min)

Panasonic 2900 mah 18650PD true 10 amp batteries should give most run-time on High Output levels

I've been using some crappy laptop batteries on purpose. Running them hard to see what happens. After about a minute unit just shuts off when ballast overhead not reached. That's good!



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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 13, 2013, 12:02:52 PM

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More testing with Infrared Filters




The Bezel of FF5 also has threads so any 67mm screw-on adapter will fit as well as caps like the one that came with the light... FYI




No Light gets out of any of the cracks where screws on:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/8B693631-E438-43F3-8CBB-C3ED4C6B9AEA-10236-000011696A178927_zps31d4ab08.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/8B693631-E438-43F3-8CBB-C3ED4C6B9AEA-10236-000011696A178927_zps31d4ab08.jpg.html)



760nm Filter so you see red glow. Bump to a 950 and you are covert...

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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 14, 2013, 03:58:34 AM
I got to play around with the ff4 a lot more today and i really like it. when the lights in 24w the hot spot is kinda raged in a way its sharp and the corona has a few artifacts in it but when in 40w and 60w the hot spot fills up more of the corona and is perfectly uniform spot which gradually tapers to the corona and all the artifacts go away.

The one thing i don't like is the light gets hot way to fast. at 2 minutes its really hot in the hand. my question is how hot can this thing get with out causing issues.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 14, 2013, 04:13:35 AM
I got to play around with the ff4 a lot more today and i really like it. when the lights in 24w the hot spot is kinda raged in a way its sharp and the corona has a few artifacts in it but when in 40w and 60w the hot spot fills up more of the corona and is perfectly uniform spot which gradually tapers to the corona and all the artifacts go away.

The one thing i don't like is the light gets hot way to fast. at 2 minutes its really hot in the hand. my question is how hot can this thing get with out causing issues.



Unit has thermal protection and kicks down to 24w when triggered.

FF3 = 65c
FF4 = 55c

Reduced on FF4 for comfort.




Burn that bulb in!
Put some run time on it and the bulb should get better as the salts break in. Light really shows what it can do at 100 plus yards out in the field. I didn't see the full potential til I took it out in the woods lighting up wildlife at 200 + yards. 




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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 14, 2013, 05:27:34 AM
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Fire Foxes FF4 and Polarion size comparison:

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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Jerrycobra on August 14, 2013, 07:43:17 AM
how do you replace the bulb when it burns out? do you open the top? also i have a few tiny pinhole imperfections on the reflector, but it shouldn't affect the beam much of at all.  also i cant really try it out much, it's way too much power for my residential street, i will wake everyone up XD.

 i went from a bc40 straight to this, 8x power upgrade, lol


Bulb rated at 2500 hours so you should not have to change it out. Even at half that you shouldn't have to change it. Changing it is not a simple drop-in. It's not extremely difficult but requires removing some heat silicon inside the ceramic where the bulb seats. Can be done but not fun!






that sounds good.  since this is a arc light is there like a cycle limit? i know LEDs can be turned off and on rapidly and it doesn't hurt the emitter. but for lights like these can turning it on and off too much burn the bulb out quickly? I do wait for a while (menu says 10 seconds) before i do a hot re-strike as they say that can hurt it especially. also mine doesn't really get that hot at all. when it reaches the 3 min kickdown its not burning hot like others say
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 14, 2013, 02:14:35 PM
on my ff4 if i have it turned on and the side switch is facing up the hot spot is out of focus but when i turn it 180 degrees and the switch is facing the ground the beam a hot spot are perfect. its no big deal but how come it does this.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: jayrob on August 15, 2013, 04:21:50 AM
Just LOVE this light!  8)

If I'm going to take the time to weave a lanyard for it, that tells you how much I love this light...

(http://www.sonic.net/~jayrob/FF4%201.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 16, 2013, 05:58:41 AM
how do you replace the bulb when it burns out? do you open the top? also i have a few tiny pinhole imperfections on the reflector, but it shouldn't affect the beam much of at all.  also i cant really try it out much, it's way too much power for my residential street, i will wake everyone up XD.

 i went from a bc40 straight to this, 8x power upgrade, lol


Bulb rated at 2500 hours so you should not have to change it out. Even at half that you shouldn't have to change it. Changing it is not a simple drop-in. It's not extremely difficult but requires removing some heat silicon inside the ceramic where the bulb seats. Can be done but not fun!






that sounds good.  since this is a arc light is there like a cycle limit? i know LEDs can be turned off and on rapidly and it doesn't hurt the emitter. but for lights like these can turning it on and off too much burn the bulb out quickly? I do wait for a while (menu says 10 seconds) before i do a hot re-strike as they say that can hurt it especially. also mine doesn't really get that hot at all. when it reaches the 3 min kickdown its not burning hot like others say


If I have time I'll usually way before re-strike but if I'm out using the light and I need to re-strike quickly I just do it. You may be cutting some life off the bulb but you have enough bulb life to spare. I try not to shift levels excessively or quickly as to not over extend the electronic ballast. Sometimes when you show people HID lights they want to turn it on and off, on and off etc...
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 16, 2013, 06:06:18 AM
on my ff4 if i have it turned on and the side switch is facing up the hot spot is out of focus but when i turn it 180 degrees and the switch is facing the ground the beam a hot spot are perfect. its no big deal but how come it does this.


I imagine it is where the salts have come out of vapor and resolidified in an area of the chamber. Burn the bulb in and it should change around depending on how you set the light down to cool. Probably take a few hours of running before a bulb is broke in.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 16, 2013, 06:16:12 AM
Just LOVE this light!  8)

If I'm going to take the time to weave a lanyard for it, that tells you how much I love this light...

(http://www.sonic.net/~jayrob/FF4%201.jpg)


This is a dive lanyard I use on my Polarion and FF4. Picked it out and Polarion like it so much they started selling them with their units as an accessory. Has some potential tactical uses and you can limit the light hitting the ground if you drop it or stop it from going in the water if on a boat. Working on getting a few of these for a FF4 Kit Light.




Quick attach to belt or loop, Quick detach to allow extended coil use, quick detach from light, Anti drop to surface that is adjustable for your height...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/6AB055D5-86EF-46B3-96B3-5384F735286D-3776-0000059D8D366BE1_zpsd1cc48c5.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/6AB055D5-86EF-46B3-96B3-5384F735286D-3776-0000059D8D366BE1_zpsd1cc48c5.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/B08540D6-7DF2-4619-BB3E-28934BF2673E-3776-0000059D80B3091E_zpscfed49f3.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/B08540D6-7DF2-4619-BB3E-28934BF2673E-3776-0000059D80B3091E_zpscfed49f3.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/840F9EB6-FC61-4D0E-BDD2-0BA6F6027112-3776-0000059D757DEA56_zpsdcb06849.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/840F9EB6-FC61-4D0E-BDD2-0BA6F6027112-3776-0000059D757DEA56_zpsdcb06849.jpg.html)
 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Alex1234 on August 17, 2013, 12:55:49 AM
i finally took some beamshots of my firefox ff4 vs my vinh modded 6.5A tn31
As you can see the ff4 does not beat the tn31 in throw but the shear output of the ff4 makes it much more
impressive. And the tn31 does not beat it by much
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/alexander2893/83376370-27e7-414a-849c-20c5c412e69d.jpg)(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/alexander2893/774cbd26-bb25-43bd-a2c8-a1c68b3b733a.jpg)
Modded TN31                                                                                 FF4
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on August 17, 2013, 09:58:16 AM
i finally took some beamshots of my firefox ff4 vs my vinh modded 6.5A tn31
As you can see the ff4 does not beat the tn31 in throw but the shear output of the ff4 makes it much more
impressive. And the tn31 does not beat it by much
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/alexander2893/83376370-27e7-414a-849c-20c5c412e69d.jpg)(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/alexander2893/774cbd26-bb25-43bd-a2c8-a1c68b3b733a.jpg)
Modded TN31                                                                                 FF4
Impressive both. :D
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on August 17, 2013, 06:26:51 PM
Today came ff4 three out of six including my own. I think the others will be delivered on Monday. Everything ok with shipping and thanks for the extras.
As soon as you get the bulbs to be sent to gexil let me know. Thank you again. :D
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: jayrob on August 18, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Just LOVE this light!  8)

If I'm going to take the time to weave a lanyard for it, that tells you how much I love this light...

(http://www.sonic.net/~jayrob/FF4%201.jpg)


This is a dive lanyard I use on my Polarion and FF4. Picked it out and Polarion like it so much they started selling them with their units as an accessory. Has some potential tactical uses and you can limit the light hitting the ground if you drop it or stop it from going in the water if on a boat. Working on getting a few of these for a FF4 Kit Light.




Quick attach to belt or loop, Quick detach to allow extended coil use, quick detach from light, Anti drop to surface that is adjustable for your height...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/6AB055D5-86EF-46B3-96B3-5384F735286D-3776-0000059D8D366BE1_zpsd1cc48c5.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/6AB055D5-86EF-46B3-96B3-5384F735286D-3776-0000059D8D366BE1_zpsd1cc48c5.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/B08540D6-7DF2-4619-BB3E-28934BF2673E-3776-0000059D80B3091E_zpscfed49f3.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/B08540D6-7DF2-4619-BB3E-28934BF2673E-3776-0000059D80B3091E_zpscfed49f3.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/840F9EB6-FC61-4D0E-BDD2-0BA6F6027112-3776-0000059D757DEA56_zpsdcb06849.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/840F9EB6-FC61-4D0E-BDD2-0BA6F6027112-3776-0000059D757DEA56_zpsdcb06849.jpg.html)
 

Been using paracord for some custom lanyards...

Here's 3 styles that I made. All with adjustable wrist strap using the Celtic button knot to slide:

(http://www.sonic.net/~jayrob/MagShorty12.jpg)
(http://www.sonic.net/~jayrob/MagShorty11.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 19, 2013, 07:27:33 AM
Nice  :thumbup:




Extra Battery Carriers with brighter LEDs still available!

$30 shipped conus or $25 with a new light.




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/58A8092C-52D0-424A-B50A-01A764816CA4-9792-000010AEF5773875_zps146ea230.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/58A8092C-52D0-424A-B50A-01A764816CA4-9792-000010AEF5773875_zps146ea230.jpg.html)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/9E025A31-6F57-4C33-AAD1-C0E6008A9E32-9792-000010AF61E377B9_zps82d1dca4.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/9E025A31-6F57-4C33-AAD1-C0E6008A9E32-9792-000010AF61E377B9_zps82d1dca4.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/1D0F532B-C094-4F05-ACB4-A7125E7987BC-9792-000010B05357C48B_zpsf2ce0dbf.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/1D0F532B-C094-4F05-ACB4-A7125E7987BC-9792-000010B05357C48B_zpsf2ce0dbf.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/46B8BE35-C571-40EE-A5F8-534A7FEED74F-9792-000010B046F0EDD8_zpsc604e6db.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/46B8BE35-C571-40EE-A5F8-534A7FEED74F-9792-000010B046F0EDD8_zpsc604e6db.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: cchurchi on August 21, 2013, 01:48:11 AM
Hi Lips, I received my FF4 and it's great, but I can't get the battery mag to work.  The green indicator lights flicker and even slightly moving or touching the mag causes the lights to flicker more or just turn off.  The center post spins freely, but does not on my FF3 battery mag.  I have been using the FF3 mag to use the light.

What do you think?

Tried to send a PM, but I keep getting a server error, so sorry if this shows up in your inbox too.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on August 22, 2013, 08:10:17 PM
Sending out battery carrier cchurchi.

Sent out some more lights and spare battery carriers to folks, Thanks for the referrals!



I think Randy is going to fix the server errors going on at the moment :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: tonnes on August 23, 2013, 08:17:22 AM
I'm a photographer and got this thing for my work.  Been breaking in the bulb before I get some beam shots for you guys.  All I can say right now is...HOLY CRAP this thing is BRIGHT!  I'm in Waikiki and just walked out on the beach and shined it toward my house 18 (yes, you read that right) miles away.  I called my wife and told her to have a look...she spotted me immediately and said the light was easily the brightest thing around.  Mind you Waikiki is not a dimly lit place, but the FF4 easily stood out!  Truly amazing how much luminance you can hold in the palm of your hand. 

Be careful with this thing...it's a weapon. 
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Darkgear on August 24, 2013, 12:36:58 AM
Barbers Point or Makakilo is about the only places you can see Waiks from 18 miles away. Either way you almost pointing right over the airport.. watch out you might blind a pilot... :)

Randy
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on September 02, 2013, 08:23:24 AM


You guys in Hawaii need to do some beam shots with some scenery in the background. Girls holding FF4 would be nice too!



Got about 8 spare battery carriers (brighter leds) in stock now...


Have some police guys using FF4 for night shoots  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on September 02, 2013, 09:18:10 AM


Fire Foxes FF4 vs Nitecore SRT 7





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/79100B0D-0928-4394-8A7C-F43621700DA2-12725-00001435B680F204_zps5630c727.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/79100B0D-0928-4394-8A7C-F43621700DA2-12725-00001435B680F204_zps5630c727.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/3F872F4A-1109-4E01-869A-4303713F8B1A-12725-00001435AA8ED602_zps486d601e.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/3F872F4A-1109-4E01-869A-4303713F8B1A-12725-00001435AA8ED602_zps486d601e.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/975BF1C4-C120-4C1C-A59C-58AAE64FCF8B-12725-000014358190E5A3_zps3c38d97f.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/975BF1C4-C120-4C1C-A59C-58AAE64FCF8B-12725-000014358190E5A3_zps3c38d97f.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/31AF9498-8272-4CEF-868D-CEC457A8C2D6-12725-00001435794BB94A_zps3259a52a.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/31AF9498-8272-4CEF-868D-CEC457A8C2D6-12725-00001435794BB94A_zps3259a52a.jpg.html)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/79398739-A596-4778-85C5-7A33D3AAD52F-12725-00001435969C02C1_zps64659205.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/79398739-A596-4778-85C5-7A33D3AAD52F-12725-00001435969C02C1_zps64659205.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/FE5C3B5F-463D-4E09-BAE0-815C9CBD5E9A-12725-00001435A137DD32_zps378c2994.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/FE5C3B5F-463D-4E09-BAE0-815C9CBD5E9A-12725-00001435A137DD32_zps378c2994.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BE58AA59-5349-4199-8D25-101BAC16B4F0-12725-000014358DFE0D0E_zps56fefee6.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/BE58AA59-5349-4199-8D25-101BAC16B4F0-12725-000014358DFE0D0E_zps56fefee6.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/E7576E41-0B32-47A8-8AD3-FCB08A9D198D-12725-000014371D4B0D1F_zps49f89a5a.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/E7576E41-0B32-47A8-8AD3-FCB08A9D198D-12725-000014371D4B0D1F_zps49f89a5a.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/AAE2D74F-1651-4202-AD0E-E8AB11C192F7-12725-00001437300AD76C_zpsd98005ed.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/AAE2D74F-1651-4202-AD0E-E8AB11C192F7-12725-00001437300AD76C_zpsd98005ed.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/C49E5302-CB9B-486F-8148-FCB22FE36270-12725-000014373A273318_zps229196bb.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/C49E5302-CB9B-486F-8148-FCB22FE36270-12725-000014373A273318_zps229196bb.jpg.html)






(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/93BE6938-B957-49D1-8C74-8D7C430B5C69-12725-0000143725AEC814_zps59823e06.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/93BE6938-B957-49D1-8C74-8D7C430B5C69-12725-0000143725AEC814_zps59823e06.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Dmitriyrus on September 06, 2013, 12:24:24 PM
Nice  :thumbup:
Extra Battery Carriers with brighter LEDs still available!
$30 shipped conus or $25 with a new light.

If I order a flashlight now, I get these bright LED in my the lamp?
Or bright LED only available in Extra Battery Carriers ?
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on September 07, 2013, 12:14:29 AM
Nice  :thumbup:
Extra Battery Carriers with brighter LEDs still available!
$30 shipped conus or $25 with a new light.

If I order a flashlight now, I get these bright LED in my the lamp?
Or bright LED only available in Extra Battery Carriers ?


Bright LEDs only on spare carriers at them moment. Haven't seen a light shipped with them yet but I suppose at some point they will show up with brighter LEDs...

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: ro.ma. on September 19, 2013, 10:17:06 AM
Hi Lips.
i wanted to know if the email "FireFoxes@comcast.net" works. I tried to scribble out a few times but got no answer.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stollman on November 24, 2013, 03:36:42 AM
I just got my light...Looks nice. A question....

Has anyone figured out a good way to remove the lens?  I was thinking about running the light a few times without it, in an attempt to reduce the initia deposits from the out-gas on the reflector.

Stollman
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on December 08, 2013, 07:15:12 AM
I just got my light...Looks nice. A question....

Has anyone figured out a good way to remove the lens?  I was thinking about running the light a few times without it, in an attempt to reduce the initia deposits from the out-gas on the reflector.

Stollman

I have a delrin tool to open up the lights. You shouldn't have any problems with the out-gassing as the silicon used is high-temp and well cured. Seen no lights having a problem. The original prototypes of the FF3 had a problem way back but that was figured out and mistake was corrected...

I have had a chance to manipulate a bulb while the light is turned on and the light disassembled. About the only way to see how a perfectly aligned bulb behaves. I broke the ceramic base on one of the lights while experimenting and discovered the connection from the ballast wire to the bulb is different to the way I thought (and different from a spare ballast). The only way to see it is to break one open. Changing a bulb on one of these would be difficult for someone to change especially if you haven't seen the inner workings. I am still trying to get spare bulbs with the ceramic base attached so all you would have to do is splice in the two wires and insulate. Otherwise it would be much more difficult to replace a bulb... New lights coming next year also...

Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: TomInOregon on December 18, 2013, 07:20:56 PM
Lips, have you found any lenses that will fit these that will allow UV and IR to pass through?  I would be interested in purchasing one if I can get one of these lenses in addition to the original one.

Thanks,
     Tom
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stollman on December 24, 2013, 03:30:00 AM
Runtime

Just curious what people are getting on their runtimes (Panasonic 3400mah batteries)? Either at 24W or 40W
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on December 24, 2013, 12:52:13 PM
Runtime  Test

Sanyo 2600             24W   55min   40W  40min
Panasonic 2900        24W   65min   40W  55min
Panasonic 3400        24w      ?        40w     ?

Guy I sold one to ran it continuously at 60w. Not sure what batteries he used. Got 7 min at 60w... (3 min + 3 min + 1 min)

Panasonic 2900 mah 18650PD true 10 amp batteries should give most run-time on High Output levels
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on December 24, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
Lips, have you found any lenses that will fit these that will allow UV and IR to pass through?  I would be interested in purchasing one if I can get one of these lenses in addition to the original one.

Thanks,
     Tom



More testing with Infrared Filters

I don't know what type of specific glass (cut to fit) to use to let the uv pass. Other than taking lens off and running it like that. I'm sure a simple solution is out there, just don't know what it is...


67mm infrared attached without extension bezel cracked in a few seconds. I haven't tested longer than 30 seconds with the barrel extension in between to give some space from the IR filter

The Bezel of FF5 also has threads so any 67mm screw-on adapter will fit as well as caps like the one that came with the light... FYI




No Light gets out of any of the cracks where screws on:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/8B693631-E438-43F3-8CBB-C3ED4C6B9AEA-10236-000011696A178927_zps31d4ab08.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/8B693631-E438-43F3-8CBB-C3ED4C6B9AEA-10236-000011696A178927_zps31d4ab08.jpg.html)



760nm Filter so you see red glow. Bump to a 950 and you are covert...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/BA08AB2C-F3B8-44B3-A5A7-DFCDCD1C2964-10236-000011696189C733_zpse630fd14.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/BA08AB2C-F3B8-44B3-A5A7-DFCDCD1C2964-10236-000011696189C733_zpse630fd14.jpg.html)





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Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stollman on December 25, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
A little video I made on the FF4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB2YlTRsYMs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB2YlTRsYMs)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stollman on January 04, 2014, 06:10:02 PM
Since this light has a 67mm thread on the front, I was looking for some filters that might work with the light. I called the optical experts at B&H Photo and told them my high temperature application. They recommended the following filters made in Germany (high end).  The filters can be purchased at B&H Photo, Amazon and other photography shops. I am not saying these will work, but I am going to try a UV filter and apply a glass etching compound (Armour Etch) to create a diffuser. Just sharing some information for consideration. I sent a copy of this posting to Fire-Foxes for their opinion. If I hear anything back, I'll make another post.
 
B&W Filters:
·        67mm Standard Size
·        Brass Filter Ring (Heat won’t expand ring like that of an Aluminum Ring)
·        High Quality Schott Glass (heat resistant)
o   http://www.phy.davidson.edu/fachome/dmb/RESolGelGlass/manuals/schottglassfilters.pdf
·        Manufactured in Germany
 
B+W, UV Haze SC 010 Filter
·        http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=65-070138&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
·        Mfr # 65-070138
·        Single Coating
·        $30.00
 
B+W, UV Haze MRC M Filter
·        http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=B%2BW%2C+67mm+multi+uv&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
·        Mfr # 66-070236
·        Multi-Coating (anti-reflection coating-> increases light transmission
·        $42.00
 
B&W, #29 Dark Red (091) Filter
·        http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=65-072121&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
·        Mfr # 65-072121
·        Glass is colored. There is no “tint film”
·        $42.00
 
B&W, #8 Yellow (022) MRC Filter
·        http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=66-045921&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
·        Mfg# 66-045921
·        Glass is colored. There is no “tint film”
·        $52.00
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Stollman on January 11, 2014, 07:16:07 AM
I made a Diffuser for the Ff4:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?355599-Fire-Foxes-IV-FF4&p=4357542#post4357542 (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?355599-Fire-Foxes-IV-FF4&p=4357542#post4357542)
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on January 17, 2014, 12:09:55 PM
Nice Find!

B+W brand 67mm filters (UV - IR - Colored) should be able to handle the heat... Barrel extension may help even more...

 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lightknot on March 30, 2014, 04:58:00 PM
Couple of questions:
You mentioned  "... New lights coming next year also..."
1) Are the new lights in yet? I'm guessing they will be the FF5 and have a replaceable bulb? What is the expected time of arrival?
2) Also, are you the sole USA distributor? I've noticed others with this light for sale, and they refer to a "sole USA distributor".
I'm hoping that you're it!
3) What is the current price w/ shipping to 85742?
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 31, 2014, 10:34:13 AM
Couple of questions:
You mentioned  "... New lights coming next year also..."
1) Are the new lights in yet? I'm guessing they will be the FF5 and have a replaceable bulb? What is the expected time of arrival?  No info on FF5 as of yet
2) Also, are you the sole USA distributor? I've noticed others with this light for sale, and they refer to a "sole USA distributor".
I'm hoping that you're it! Yes
3) What is the current price w/ shipping to 85742? $269
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Title: Re: Fire-Foxes IV (24-40-60 watt) HID For Sale Searchlight GROUP BUY FireFox IV 4
Post by: Lips on July 31, 2014, 10:45:34 AM


FIRE FOXES FF4 EXTREME 65W - 40W- 24W
Latest Version:   07 - 2014



In Stock!    $269 shipped to USA



EXTREME:
Stainless Steel Bezel
+ 5 watt increase in power on High over standard model (This Version 65w vs 60w on Standard Model)
Larger Logo



(P.S. I have fixed some @firefoxes email problems)




 

FF4 Extreme - FF4 Standard - FF4 Extreme
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/EECEC56A-D36F-4DA0-881D-396CE40D2D5F_zps1jg3ljay.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/EECEC56A-D36F-4DA0-881D-396CE40D2D5F_zps1jg3ljay.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/4FDB1455-F941-43B3-BC59-919BC78D2F0F_zpsj2nse3o8.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/4FDB1455-F941-43B3-BC59-919BC78D2F0F_zpsj2nse3o8.jpg.html)





FF4 Extreme - FF4 Standard - FF4 Extreme - Nitecore SRT7
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/1E986BAB-D0B8-476A-B328-83A9AB8261E4_zpsnx0rwvvy.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/1E986BAB-D0B8-476A-B328-83A9AB8261E4_zpsnx0rwvvy.jpg.html)





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/vdcjr/34CAC960-8E6D-407E-BFF5-CF2C166E280B_zpslspba77o.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/vdcjr/media/34CAC960-8E6D-407E-BFF5-CF2C166E280B_zpslspba77o.jpg.html)




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