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Title: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 05, 2005, 07:52:51 PM
UPDATE 1-25-06:

I turned some free time into Titanium tritium time tonight:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit1.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit2.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit3.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit4.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit7.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit5.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit6.jpg)


Of course further work on the Ti-Chams will continue after the regular Chameleons are completed.

Thank You for your patience...:naughty:

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UPDATE 12-29-05:

The Ti-Chameleon bodies have arrived!  The Ti-Chameleon bodies have arrived!

Some pics while waiting on the electronic boards (same situation as on the original Chameleons) - here is an assembled body viewed from the side:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Side.jpg)


And here is a top view:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Top.jpg)


Bottom view with logo:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Bottom.jpg)


Close-up of the tritium slot - and here's the deal - TnC meticulously mated each Control Module with each battery tube to marry them into pairs so that after the milling, each tritium slot would be perfectly aligned with each switch hole, thus creating the easy-indexing-in-the-dark function the tritium vials were to serve in the first place:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Index.jpg)


And here is a shot of the Ti-Chameleon with its Ti-Cub and standard Chameleon siblings:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Line.jpg)


Just some tidbits to help hold everybody over while we wait on the electronics...:thumbsup:



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UPDATE 12-21-05:

TnC just sent me these pics showing the Ti-Cham logo, the pattern is grooved directly down into the Titanium surface as line art - never to be erased again.  Only a couple more small milling operations like the trit slot in the battery tube (we decided the Control Module wall was a little too thin for this) and they are ready to ship.  Possibly even tomorrow...:headbang:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/IMG_2336.JPG)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/IMG_2338.JPG)


And January 1st looms...:naughty:



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I recently finalized a deal for a little over a dozen SPECIAL EDITION Chameleons (SECs).

These SECs will not feature anything different performance wise, as I think the way the light comes is already optimal - meaning of course that one can use any of the four different Current Tables and Five Drive levels within each Table, to formulate their Chameleons to specific needs.

But they WILL be made of Titanium, similar to what was done with eight certain LionCubs prior.

They will feature a tritium marker for switch location in the dark.

They will first be made available to those who purchase original Chameleons, either from me or from the webstore vendor who will be selling the remaining 25 regular Chameleons.

And they will be priced under $300.  Well under, if I can manage it.

BUT -- there are still a couple of hoops to jump through in order to get a shot at one, due to the endless grief I received from a few who felt they were especially entitled to one of the Ti-Cubs last time.  Meaning I need to develop an equitable distribution system for these SECs.

Perhaps a lottery drawing, with number of "tickets" corresponding to number of Chameleons originally purchased?

Someone already suggested a hybrid of this idea with the addition of reserving a few for auction, so that those who could more easily afford one and did not get lucky in the lottery, would still have the opportunity.

Maybe a raffle, with the understanding that if not enough funds came in to cover costs the raffle would be canceled, and conversely if an overage of funds came in then the surplus would go into a first-ever, yet-to-be-created, FF Support Fund.

I am open to absolutely any other suggestions for distribution, after which the most workable could be put to a poll.

BTW the control modules for these Ti-Chams are being machined today, so I am hoping to get the SEC bodies before Christmas, although TnC admitted this would be a long shot.  And that's not even counting whether any of their machines break down from cutting the material itself, as happened with the Ti-Cubs!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 05, 2005, 08:09:41 PM
I like the idea of a lottery drawing with the number of tickets equal to the number of original-purchase Chameleons.  Obviously, if someone with a multiple-order actually won the drawing, that person would only be entitled to one Ti Chameleon maximum, and his remaining entries would be thrown out for the remainder of the drawing.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: acusifu on December 05, 2005, 08:27:19 PM
I thought about putting my 2 cents worth in. But I can't think of any clever distribution ideas, just sell me all of them and avoid other suggestions !
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 05, 2005, 08:47:59 PM
oH BOY!

Here are some more ideas...

Winners will be determined by who has the coolest Elvis Avatar
Winners will be chosen by me......


Seriously A raffle sounds like fun

Do the raffle first and say tickets are $5 then you need 60 tickets to raffle a light.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MSaxatilus on December 05, 2005, 08:52:31 PM
Quote
I like the idea of a lottery drawing with the number of tickets equal to the number of original-purchase Chameleons.  Obviously, if someone with a multiple-order actually won the drawing, that person would only be entitled to one Ti Chameleon maximum, and his remaining entries would be thrown out for the remainder of the drawing.

I agree with Dad.  That is probably the fairest idea that I can come up with.

One question, actually an assumption..... but you're going to leave them bare right, no bead-blasted finish?

Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MorpheusT1 on December 05, 2005, 08:58:04 PM
Raffle all of them away ;)

Once a week until they all are gone  :thumbup:

Will there be a special package with the other heads and battery tubes aswell  :D.
Did not think so,but that would be awsome!
Benny
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 05, 2005, 09:24:25 PM
OMG!  A Titanium Chameleon!  This is way too kewl!  Errr....time to wipe my drool all over the floor  :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 05, 2005, 09:32:54 PM
Raffling would be the most troublesome and tedious to administrate (and I don't want to saddle Mod Bill with this regardless of Forum assignments), but perhaps I would do one or two or something...:thinking:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MSaxatilus on December 05, 2005, 10:14:51 PM
Charlie,

Just take the list of people that have signed up for the Chamelion and use that to designate numbers to the individuals on the list.  Throw them in a hat and pick the 12 lucky people out.  If they pass on the Ti version, pick another number out.

Pretty simple.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Rudi on December 05, 2005, 10:24:58 PM
At least one of them should be auctioned -- that's the best way to establish a true value. Better still, auction several, but only one at a time. And raffle some too.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 05, 2005, 10:52:50 PM
Raffle would be cool - with the chance for $10/ticket to go for each light - either weekly or something. Hey I'd pay $10 for the light! Maybe limit tickets numbers per person (like four or five - so one rich bugger can't buy ALL the tickets). Logistics of a raffle would be a hassle unless there is some online free raffle software *shrug*

Random lottery is the best way to go. Original Chameleon sign-up list all get the "option" for a ticket -not everyone will be able to afford the $300 Ti-Cham. This option should be non-transferable by the ticket holder - only by admin for re-lottery.

Also I know its hard but with the $500 Ti-Cub that has been about - I think we should ensure that these are only re-sold for what they are paid for. I know there is no way to police this (police huh Charlie ;) ) but a 'contract' as such should be held between F-F.com and the winners.

Lottery for 12 (or if 20 are made 15) then auction the rest!! Mulla for f-f.com!!!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Shade on December 05, 2005, 11:06:47 PM
A random lottery drawing one number person only.Must have had a vaild paid Chammie order. SIgn up after and before a certain date. Close raffle. Pick the numbers and watch the sparks fly. I dont think buying more of anything should get you more chances for these , they are too rare and precious and even po folk like me should get a even shot! You would think I would vote democrate wouldnt you? But i dont Im a Republican weee~

This is the best idea that gives the most amount of avid fans a shot and should include most of the Ti Chams to be made. its also very easy to do.

I think holding abour four of them to sell at auction is a good idea as well to cover the cost of keeping the raffled ones down. Let the rich feed the poor

Make sure the thread that lists the winning numbers cant be posted on and stuff~ so i dont have to go through 40 pages of posts to see my winning number
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 05, 2005, 11:28:18 PM
Shade -

Good idea re: the announcement page not being able to be posted in - cause when I win - I want everyone to be able to see it as well ;)

Cheers, Nathan
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 05, 2005, 11:46:40 PM
Also I know its hard but with the $500 Ti-Cub that has been about -

Whaaa - ?

Actually if someone buys one for speculation it really should be of no concern to me, although I would hope that they got one because they wanted the light rather than anything else, at least for a short length of time (like a thousand button presses?  Per day?  For a year?  Yee haw!).

I think a lottery drawing is the most reasonable way to go, although it would be better to first determine who was definitely "in", and then only place those people into a hat.  Otherwise if the winner wished to, he/she could potentially field a "best offer" scenario in the background, a situation definitely not in the best interests of FF nor the spirit we promote here - especially if the highest bidder ended up not being from FF.

Although I do want it to be fair, it also has to be simple enough that the accounting tasks do not overtake the pleasure in offering the lights in the first place, plus the simpler it is the less potential for any misunderstandings later.

Some have already written to me directly expressing their preference for limiting, through "natural selection", the opportunity to those who frequent FF for the sake of being here, rather than only when there are freebies (free Arc AA raffle, etc.).  This "natural selection" process simply implies that if one visits here often enough one would likely see this thread and sound off, and if one didn't...:dontknow:

Lots to think about.  But I'd rather distribute them all one way rather than auctioning some, lottery-ing some, raffling some, etc.  I only made these in response to several people suggesting we needed a project like this to match the Ti-Cubs, and I already have other projects in the oven - so much to do and so little time to do'em...:rolleye:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Readerbob on December 05, 2005, 11:54:49 PM
I agree. Keep it simple. Limit to Chameleon purchaser. Your name goes into the lottery unless you say to NOT put it in. The first x numbers are drawn, and finders keepers. Everybody who made a commitment to buy a Chammie has a shot, you can opt out if you're not interested, and everyone has an equal shot at getting their hands on one.

I think the idea of being "fair" is important, and I can't think of a better way than this!

--Bob
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 06, 2005, 01:35:49 AM
Bob, that does sound fair. Why? Well as has been said before - lets go by the Chameleon list. It was up forever; and ALL had an opportunity to grab one (no limit set by Charlie). As such consider that there wouldn't be a Ti-Cham - without the Cham! So everyone had the opportunity to buy a Cham - and those who did now have the option to be in a lottery to buy a "exclusive" variant. So what if it wasn't thought of back then??!!! This allows for the "natural selection" to already be built into the T's and C's of the lottery.

I know that setting Cham listing as a pre-requistite does cut down potential Ti-Cham lottery entrants to a max of 170 (ish) people - but hey - lets say there is 12 of these to be had.... That's less than 10% of the list who have to say "yes" to sell these....

I think the majority should be lotteried this way.... However I do like the idea of auctioning a small number (even 1 or 2) for funding flashlight-forums.com though. This means that we - as a community really do contribute to the site we love!!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 06, 2005, 02:29:40 AM
Actually if there are only the same number of interested people as Ti-Chams, then there is no need for a lottery.  That would be simplest.

What I want to avoid is putting EVERYONE in it without knowing whether they even want or are able to splash out that kind of dollar figure for a light of Any kind - because if not and I happen draw their names, and then they now have to decide whether they want it - or if someone they know might want it - or perhaps one of the non-selected people now contact them privately wanting to buy it - or perhaps it is someone who didn't buy a Chameleon or who doesn't even know about or come to our forum who is now trying to convince them to accept it so this person can now offer to buy it for more - then it defeats the entire purpose and intent of what I am trying to accomplish, of providing to those who liked and bought a Chameleon in the first place, the opportunity to own a limited edition that will be much more unique and likely to become more sought after later.

I want to avoid the situation where this is viewed as an opportunity to "cash in" - I would like to make them available to those who want to actually Own a second light in the Ti-Cham, to keep and use and brandish and clean and fondle and shelf-queenize and post their experiences about - That is the kind of home I would hope my Ti babies end up in.

So a list of people who would indeed fulfill and enjoy the opportunity if selected would be the most fitting and proper.  Also the drawing becomes that much more exciting as the chances of owning one are that much more likely due to the smaller number of candidates.

So am I rambling now...or clearing things up? :icon_scratch:

Anyway if there turns out to be too much controversy surrounding this (as I am afraid it is tilting toward, perhaps just a little), then I may need to just put up a first-paid, first-sold notification thread when the Ti-Chams become ready, maybe post one at noon for half of the lights, then one more at midnight for the other half, to ensure more people in more time zones have a shot at seeing it - hey now, There's an idea...:thinking:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nedtheshred on December 06, 2005, 02:36:13 AM
Hi Charlie,
I'd love one:-)
Ned
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Readerbob on December 06, 2005, 03:04:27 AM
I can sure understand Charlie's desire to get the Ti-Chams for folks who will appreciate them. It might be interesting to see who might be interested in being in a lottery. It may be fewer than you think. If you spend $250-ish for the Chammie and then need to drop another $300-ish right after, it may be that not too many people could swing it.

Anyway, outside of social pressure (you know we'll know), it would be hard to enforce the "Keep and enjoy" intention.

Charlie, whatever you do, some people will love it and some won't. Just go by your heart and do what you think best. The people who don't love it will get over it!

--Bob
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: dhutcheson on December 06, 2005, 03:10:52 AM
Count me in on any chance for me to get a Ti Cham!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MSaxatilus on December 06, 2005, 03:27:13 AM
agreed.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 06, 2005, 03:38:34 AM
I can sure understand Charlie's desire to get the Ti-Chams for folks who will appreciate them. It might be interesting to see who might be interested in being in a lottery. It may be fewer than you think. If you spend $250-ish for the Chammie and then need to drop another $300-ish right after, it may be that not too many people could swing it.

Anyway, outside of social pressure (you know we'll know), it would be hard to enforce the "Keep and enjoy" intention.

Charlie, whatever you do, some people will love it and some won't. Just go by your heart and do what you think best. The people who don't love it will get over it!

--Bob

OK, I promise to keep it and enjoy it.  So feel free to ship it along any time Charlie.  You have my address.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: wallyrulz on December 06, 2005, 03:54:52 AM
I learned a new word today.  "Shelf-queenize"  Okay, so it's two, but it's still new.   :thumbup:

There are some on the Chammie list who do not frequent ff but only came over on a down day, saw the list and signed up.  I suspect some of them have bought only with the intention of selling.  Just a thought ...
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 06, 2005, 03:59:42 AM
I learned a new word today.  "Shelf-queenize"  Okay, so it's two, but it's still new.   :thumbup:

There are some on the Chammie list who do not frequent ff but only came over on a down day, saw the list and signed up.  I suspect some of them have bought only with the intention of selling.  Just a thought ...

So you're saying that we should keep it to those who actually hang out - and have been hanging out - here for several weeks?  I'm obviously cool with that, but it'd be too hard to determine who's who.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 06, 2005, 04:08:50 AM
I learned a new word today.  "Shelf-queenize"  Okay, so it's two, but it's still new.   :thumbup:

There are some on the Chammie list who do not frequent ff but only came over on a down day, saw the list and signed up.  I suspect some of them have bought only with the intention of selling.  Just a thought ...

So you're saying that we should keep it to those who actually hang out - and have been hanging out - here for several weeks?  I'm obviously cool with that, but it'd be too hard to determine who's who.

I second...errr third that opinion!  It should be made available to those who hang out and part of our close knit family here at FF  :love4: :love4: :love4:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 06, 2005, 04:20:33 AM
Actually if there are only the same number of interested people as Ti-Chams, then there is no need for a lottery.  That would be simplest.

Agreed - well As a qualifier - I'm in the original Cham listing - and I want one....

So if that means:
a) as I put up my hand here and now, I get one - then cool....
or
b) a lottery - then cool

I would like to make them available to those who want to actually Own a second light in the Ti-Cham, to keep and use and brandish and clean and fondle and shelf-queenize and post their experiences about - That is the kind of home I would hope my Ti babies end up in.


Hmmm fondling my Cham - In short I'm keen as mustard!!! The above description is me!!!

I do agree that if these are complete and ready for payment/shipping hot on the heels of the std-Cham - then it will make it a little more difficult to afford; but thems the breaks I guess....

So do it the fairest way you see fit Charlie - lets not make this political or emotiional

Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: nemul on December 06, 2005, 04:21:55 AM
(http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/4596/grouphug6ya.gif)
we are family
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 06, 2005, 04:23:56 AM
Ok - lets get a "little" emotional...
(http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/4596/grouphug6ya.gif)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 06, 2005, 06:39:20 AM
Okay then, shall we start the Lottery Sign-Up thread?  Meaning if you sign up and your name is drawn, you are sure to indeed buy it?

I think I should be able to finagle the price down to - say - $293...naw, make that $288...no - wait (calculator buttons clicking furiously in the background)...okay okay, $279 - plus shipping.  I simply can't do any better than that, not right now.

*edit - Shoot, forgot to add for the tritium vials...:icon_scratch:

Aww heck, we're family, let's make it $275.  But that's FINAL.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 06, 2005, 06:44:59 AM
Gee!  Thats a steal!  PayPal on the ready  :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: acusifu on December 06, 2005, 07:21:51 AM
Charlie
1) Any pictures did the bodies come in yet ?
2) I thought you were against Tritium ? Well forget #2 any body pictures ?
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 06, 2005, 08:18:33 AM
Okay then, shall we start the Lottery Sign-Up thread?  Meaning if you sign up and your name is drawn, you are sure to indeed buy it?

I think I should be able to finagle the price down to - say - $293...naw, make that $288...no - wait (calculator buttons clicking furiously in the background)...okay okay, $279 - plus shipping.  I simply can't do any better than that, not right now.

*edit - Shoot, forgot to add for the tritium vials...:icon_scratch:

Aww heck, we're family, let's make it $275.  But that's FINAL.

$275 Woo hoo Charlie -  :blob10: :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7: :blob8: :blob9:

I'm already there :) Now I guess I've got to ask - where is "there"?

Cheers, Nathan.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: fläshgreëniè on December 06, 2005, 08:37:27 AM
why don't you assume everyone that was on the sighup list for the chammie will be in the draw unless they specifically say they are not interested. I am sure there is enough time for people to notice this thread and respond. Or send an email to everyone in the sighup list mentioning that they need to reply if they are not interested in this...

Personally I haven't started on my shelf queen collection yet... Maybe this would be a good start... ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: 3rd_shift on December 06, 2005, 08:48:04 AM
Charlie, those are going to go FAST!

I would offer to trade you Lioncub #50 black for one if I hadn't upgraded it to a UWOK bin led. :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 06, 2005, 09:39:53 AM
greenie -
That is an easy solution - but that assumes that 170+ people who are already paying $153 plus accessories - would ALL be willing to fork over $275. Some may not be able to afford them - and for whatever reason they may not log on during the period of being able to say "no - thanks" - if these people "win" and they don't want them - then there is obviously the issue of redraws. We don't want the extra "noise" distracting us from the signal....

If however we take the eligible entrants, and have a voluntary sign up list - people who want the and say "Yep I want one, I'll pay $275" Then the signal is purer.... Yeah circumstances may change even with this list - however the chances are lower...

Anyway - thats my 2c

Cheers, Nathan.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 06, 2005, 09:44:15 AM
I agree with you Nathan.  And with the Christmas season fast approaching,  I am sure everyone will have different priorities.  I do believe that a sign up list would be needed.  By signing up to the thread, it confirms that the person is willing and able to pay for the Ti if he wins the raffle
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 06, 2005, 09:56:39 AM
Charlie
1) Any pictures did the bodies come in yet ?
2) I thought you were against Tritium ? Well forget #2 any body pictures ?

Hi Doc!

1) Machining of only the control modules (center body component) has begun so there are no pics yet.  But looking at a Ti-Cub would give an idea of the color and finish which should be close, if not identical.

2) I am normally not a fan of tritium marking on "normal" lights (EDCs) because it may be required that they are used in an undetectable manner, but this is a special run of an admittedly "boutique" flashlight where I wanted to offer more differentiation than just the titanium body material.  I could always leave the vial out of yours if you win (haw!)...:evil6:

Nate, "where is there"?  Hmmm, even I don't know yet - but most likely a lottery as it appears now.

flashgreenie, although there is no way to ensure that people who get a chance at one will necessarily keep it and not sell it off That soon (and presumably for a better price than they paid), setting things up to help increase the odds for those who unquestionably Want one - indicated by their overt act of actually signing up for it on a public list - heightens the likelihood that these Ti-Chams will be retained and appreciated by the original owners, which is something I absolutely and clearly wish to occur.

3rd, certainly appreciate the offer, but there can be no trades accepted...;)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 06, 2005, 10:33:53 AM
So we have one "list" that , depending on the number of participants will either:

a) just the right number of people to allow all the lights sold
or if more people sign up than lights available - then it will take the next option and
b) evolve into a lottery

Easier that way as its only one list - set the conditions out up front and everyone knows whats what.... Set a time limit for the list to end... Ascertain whether a) or b) and if b) draw lottery...

Done :D

Cheers, Nathan.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Lightstream on December 06, 2005, 10:45:34 AM
Amazing stuff.. I will most certainly be watching!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: fläshgreëniè on December 06, 2005, 11:14:06 AM
well, there is no way you going to be able to ensure the lucky person who manage to get one of these from trying to make a buck by reselling it again.
Either way you do it is fine by me. It depends if you want to give peference to people on the chammie sigh up list(maybe the first 100 ,since I am 100 on the list  ;)  :P) which are more likely to keep it(good assumption???) or just open up to a general signup list and a lottery.
Point is you indicate you would prefer people who will keep it to get these so how to ensure the probability of that happening???
a general signup or peference to people on the chammie signup list first??? :popcorn: :angel9:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: ernsanada on December 06, 2005, 11:49:23 AM
Okay then, shall we start the Lottery Sign-Up thread?  Meaning if you sign up and your name is drawn, you are sure to indeed buy it?

I think I should be able to finagle the price down to - say - $293...naw, make that $288...no - wait (calculator buttons clicking furiously in the background)...okay okay, $279 - plus shipping.  I simply can't do any better than that, not right now.

*edit - Shoot, forgot to add for the tritium vials...:icon_scratch:

Aww heck, we're family, let's make it $275.  But that's FINAL.

Wow! That is an excellent price!    :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 06, 2005, 12:10:50 PM
Upon thinking about it, I agree with Readerbob.  Give the chances at an "option to buy" to the Chameleon purchasers via the list.  Draw the numbers, if anyone declines, draw another number.  If the winners wish to buy the light and sell it later, then that is their option. 

IF Mr. B wants to offer ONE $/ticket raffle, and Bill has too much going on,  then I will be glad to do the admin work.

Geo
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 06, 2005, 12:28:33 PM
Nah, I think Charlie oughta do it with a specific sign-up.  If you sign the thread and your name gets called, you are willing/able to fork over the dough immediately.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Shade on December 06, 2005, 01:06:40 PM
Yeah you cant pick people without knowing if they or in or not, that reissuing a number or TI back into the raffle will cause major headaches.

See who qualifies to be in, then do the sign up, then close  the chance to enter, then pick the winners

Only if someone fails to pay in the specified time would a TI Cham be reenetered

A minimum post really doest work because many peeps on the Chammie list are first timers as well , but that doesnt mean they dont appreciate Bulkies lights.

Unfortunatly I dont think you can base entry on the love for the site, however you can request respect for the rules IE not selling the light right away for a profit right infront of all us true fans and whatever else the management decides is fair play etc

You gain the option to put in to be in the raffle by being on the original Chammie list, and then by being a regular at the site is a good idea but then you wouldnt need to do the raffle at all because I can name the twelve people that the raffle would include and we wouldnt need the raffle...me being number one of course

Also I hate to say it but opening the raffle up to all that sign up, I mean the more the merrier for the site, because making new friends and having a nice crowd aint a bad thing.

There should defiantly be atleat one TI Cham that is open to anyone who signs up even if they didnt buy a Chammie just to generate interest in the site.

One good idea is to "hide" things that can only be found in say 5 different threads throughout the site. Find all five treasure hunt phrases or something etc and then yiur entered in the anything goes TI Chammie no matter who you are.

that forces even newbies to search the site and would draw more members to sign up for a chance at one nice pieice of gear

But again that would only be for one of them
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Readerbob on December 06, 2005, 02:00:16 PM
Sign me up. I'll be out of town for a couple of days with no e-mail access  :'( , so please give the list a few days before closing, or someone sign me up!

Charlie has spoken, and as I said earlier, I think we need to go with his idea. He's da MAN! :notworthy:

Now, the BIG problem is deciding what flashlights to take with me!!

--Bob
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: fläshgreëniè on December 06, 2005, 02:06:20 PM
well, since this will be your baby, you can do like all other proud parents and keep a photo of it in your wallet... ;) :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: marcspar on December 06, 2005, 02:27:24 PM
I'm in!

Marc

Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Somy Nex on December 06, 2005, 02:48:13 PM
heeeyyyy, there're 14 individuals buying multiple chameleons (with me being the [un]lucky 13th!).

a little over a dozen Ti Chameleon's made you say....? ;) ;) ;)

but more seriously, however this is done, if they are only available after Jan 1, 2006, then I'd be in for one =P before that, my wallet is just completely fully committed to other things =P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MSaxatilus on December 06, 2005, 03:05:52 PM
I don't think this is a sign up list, but if it is just in case....

Count me in for a Ti
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 06, 2005, 05:31:58 PM
I'll start a sign-up list later, perhaps even today.  Those on the original Chammie List (and who take delivery of their light/s) would be eligible to sign up for the Ti-Cham.  Probably cut the list off on New Year's Day, and pick n' ship a little after that, body deliveries willing.  I already have everything else but the electronics which should become a smooth and steady delivery stream right after the board house hits its stride.

So to review:

1) signup is open to just Chammie buyers - this would require that you do have the inclination (as well as the means) to accept and immediately complete the transaction on a Ti-Cham should your name be drawn

2) cut-off date would be 1-1-2006 (stroke of midnight according to HST)

3) I will then pick the appropriate number of entries and notify each person

4) transaction should be completed within a certain time frame to be determined

5) I will buid and ship your Ti-Chams as soon as possible thereafter.


I must reserve the right to hold back one or two to use as "trial balloons" either here or on e-bay, just to see how these things are valued - probably to the joy of the Ti-Cham owners...

I think we're all clear now? :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 06, 2005, 05:32:27 PM
I don't think this is a sign up list, but if it is just in case....

Count me in for a Ti

Ditto for me.  :love4:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 06, 2005, 05:34:11 PM
Yep, we're clear.  Sounds like a plan.  Thanks!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MSaxatilus on December 06, 2005, 06:06:30 PM
Works for me!   :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: fläshgreëniè on December 06, 2005, 06:16:09 PM
 :blob1: :wav: :blob1:

 
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 06, 2005, 06:30:02 PM
right on!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: gessner17 on December 06, 2005, 06:50:44 PM
I'm in! :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Osprey Guy on December 06, 2005, 06:56:22 PM
This sounds like a good solution...but I do have a question....

Charlie-

From the way all of the above has been worded it suggests that the folks on the original sign-up list, who are already committed to buying a "regular" Chammie, will also have the opportunity to buy the Ti Cham if they so choose.  Did you mean it that way, or did you mean they would be buying the Ti-Cham instead of the "Regular" Cham?  I mean I'm seriously interested in owning a Chammie and all of the goodies...But in order to get the Ti-Cham do I now need to commit to two Chammies?

I know, I know...shame on me for not jumping at the thought of not one, but two Chammies.  :-[


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 06, 2005, 07:18:09 PM
This sounds like a good solution...but I do have a question....

Charlie-

From the way all of the above has been worded it suggests that the folks on the original sign-up list, who are already committed to buying a "regular" Chammie, will also have the opportunity to buy the Ti Cham if they so choose.  Did you mean it that way, or did you mean they would be buying the Ti-Cham instead of the "Regular" Cham?  I mean I'm seriously interested in owning a Chammie and all of the goodies...But in order to get the Ti-Cham do I now need to commit to two Chammies?

I know, I know...shame on me for not jumping at the thought of not one, but two Chammies.  :-[


Dennis Greenbaum   8)

Dennis, I am certain that Charlie meant that one could buy the Ti Cham (if selected) as an ADDITIONAL light to the regular Cham.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 06, 2005, 08:43:37 PM
Those on the original Chammie List (and who take delivery of their light/s) would be eligible to sign up for the Ti-Cham.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 06, 2005, 09:03:22 PM
Dennis, unfortunately AWTYD and Geo are correct, the Ti-Cham is meant as an *additional perk* to those who were willing to buy into my newest light.

This is not to mean that you and everyone else are out of it - in fact www.LightHound.com will be offering the rest of the original Chameleons - the last 25 units available - the purchase of which would also "qualify" you for the Ti-Cham drawing via purchase confirmation from LightHound (John Crighton, owner).  And thus this would offer at least a glimmering ray of Ti-Cham hope to those who missed out on the original preorder list. :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 06, 2005, 09:24:03 PM
Ooooooh!  This is sooo exciting.  I"m in  :-[
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 06, 2005, 09:42:12 PM
Now That's the kind of comment that motivates and makes things exciting for ME!  It's all about making things as FUN as we can, eh?

Thanks Chris! :headbang:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Osprey Guy on December 06, 2005, 10:24:28 PM
Quote
This is not to mean that you and everyone else are out of it - in fact www.LightHound.com will be offering the rest of the original Chameleons - the last 25 units available - the purchase of which would also "qualify" you for the Ti-Cham drawing via purchase confirmation from LightHound (John Crighton, owner).  And thus this would offer at least a glimmering ray of Ti-Cham hope to those who missed out on the original preorder list.

Well, since I am on the original sign-up list (#127), I guess all that remains is for me to decide if I want to throw my name in the hat for a chance to own 2 Chammies, the original (which I'll be getting regardless), and a Ti-Cham.

Don't get me wrong, the Ti-Cham most definitely appeals to me, but I'm already committed to several other new lights as well...and as it is I also devote a pretty hefty amount of my "fun money" to my knifemaking pursuits (3 1/2 years ago I owned a Dremel and a handful of basic tools...now I have a $20,000+ shop in my basement and it's growing bigger every week). In the past 7 weeks alone I've spent over $2000 bucks on flashlights and accessories.  I can only spend so much on my "toys for boys" before my wife steps in and cries "foul!"... There will always be another cool flashlight as long as guys like you are around...but I've only got one wife and I'd like to keep her for awhile longer. ;)


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 06, 2005, 10:27:14 PM
Family First :thumbsup:

Just don't tell my wife how much $$$ I have in flashlights!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 06, 2005, 10:41:48 PM
Family First :thumbsup:

Just don't tell my wife how much $$$ I have in flashlights!

Ditto.   :nono:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 06, 2005, 11:09:16 PM
You can't not tell the wife/girlfriend (or hubbie/boyfriend for any of the ladies out there) - if they ask.... If they don't ask - then they don't need to know!! Also mention the "lottery" aspect of the Ti-Cham should you be lucky enough to win ;)

"Oh I got this one cause I won a lottery draw for it!!"  :naughty:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Cones on December 06, 2005, 11:10:41 PM
I'm in as well please.  :thumbup:

Just found this after a day of work away from my PC.  :D

Thanks

Mark
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: andrewwynn on December 07, 2005, 12:34:12 AM
did i already say i'm in? i forget the rules..

Im in.

I am signed up for two, do i get to say im in im in?

-awr
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 07, 2005, 12:53:12 AM
You can't not tell the wife/girlfriend (or hubbie/boyfriend for any of the ladies out there) - if they ask.... If they don't ask - then they don't need to know!! Also mention the "lottery" aspect of the Ti-Cham should you be lucky enough to win ;)

"Oh I got this one cause I won a lottery draw for it!!"  :naughty:

Nathan, BRILLIANT!   :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 07, 2005, 01:07:00 AM
You can't not tell the wife/girlfriend (or hubbie/boyfriend for any of the ladies out there) - if they ask.... If they don't ask - then they don't need to know!! Also mention the "lottery" aspect of the Ti-Cham should you be lucky enough to win ;)

"Oh I got this one cause I won a lottery draw for it!!"  :naughty:

Nathan, BRILLIANT!   :thumbup:

Oh yeah!  I can see it now... "Honey look what I WON on the lottery!"  while proudly waving that Ti Chameleon right in front of her  :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: ernsanada on December 07, 2005, 01:37:17 AM


Oh yeah!  I can see it now... "Honey look what I WON on the lottery!"  while proudly waving that Ti Chameleon right in front of her  :P
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Lol!!!  :D :D
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 07, 2005, 09:42:12 AM
Just so we don't get all confused,

Make sure you "sign up" here http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=1236.msg20596;topicseen#msg20596.

Unless you just want to leave all 8 beauties for me and Troy ;)  You all know that arewethereyetdad wants 4 to match the brassies!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 07, 2005, 11:26:18 AM
Just so we don't get all confused,

Make sure you "sign up" here http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=1236.msg20596;topicseen#msg20596.

Unless you just want to leave all 8 beauties for me and Troy ;)  You all know that arewethereyetdad wants 4 to match the brassies!

"8 beauties"?  I coulda swore I had fourteen to offer...:thinking:

Oh well, eight it is then - mebbe I could auction the other six on e-bay...:naughty:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Paper Lawyer on December 07, 2005, 11:36:58 AM
Just so we don't get all confused,

Make sure you "sign up" here http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=1236.msg20596;topicseen#msg20596.

Unless you just want to leave all 8 beauties for me and Troy ;)  You all know that arewethereyetdad wants 4 to match the brassies!

"8 beauties"?  I coulda swore I had fourteen to offer...:thinking:

Oh well, eight it is then - mebbe I could auction the other six on e-bay...:naughty:

:D  I think Geo said that as only six people have signed up on the list as yet :)  I think at least one other person is going to put their name down at some point ;)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 07, 2005, 11:37:47 AM
Yep you sure did say 14!!!

as per: http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=1236.msg20552#msg20552
1) understand that by listing yourself below, you are declaring your commitment to purchase one  titanium Chameleon flashlight - out of approximately fourteen - should your name be selected

Thats pretty clear ;)

Cheers, Nathan.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 07, 2005, 11:59:37 AM
Aaah, now I get it. :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 07, 2005, 12:02:58 PM
Maybe Troy and I can only afford 4 a piece?

Maybe Geo can't read?

Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 07, 2005, 12:09:13 PM
Hey, it's possible.  People have been struck by lightning twice before, so why couldn't we get more than one?   :laughing7:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 07, 2005, 12:22:06 PM
Hey c'mon guys.  Leave at least one for lil ol me  :'(
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 07, 2005, 12:23:21 PM
And of course the first replier on the affore-mentioned thread -  me.

Though that "is" possible -

"...till next time, on Ripley's Believe It......... Or no!!" :laughing7:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 07, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
Hey c'mon guys.  Leave at least one for lil ol me  :'(

But we have already heard stories about you post office - this time they might KEEP the light!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 07, 2005, 12:42:11 PM
Yeah I don't think we should risk it.... such uncertainty can't be tolerated!!  :naughty:

I kid!!!!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Somy Nex on December 07, 2005, 03:06:29 PM
Charlie, how long is the sign up thread going to stay open for? i'll likely find out sometime within the next two weeks if i'll have a job past december =P so that will pretty much decide whether i jump in or not =)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 07, 2005, 03:13:26 PM
Charlie, how long is the sign up thread going to stay open for? i'll likely find out sometime within the next two weeks if i'll have a job past december =P so that will pretty much decide whether i jump in or not =)

Ah, don't let a silly little thing like a job keep you from signing up.   :laughing7:  Actually, you're good.  I think I read that Charlie is planning on leaving the thread open throughout the month of December (although for personal greed I'd like to see him shut it down today  :evil6: ).
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 07, 2005, 03:29:50 PM
What?  shutting it down today?  AH man......
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: fläshgreëniè on December 07, 2005, 03:35:22 PM
 8) close it down...  :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Paper Lawyer on December 07, 2005, 04:10:01 PM
I think Charlie should shut it down on 30 December and announce the lucky winners noon (Hawaiin time) on New year's Eve (which is 10pm on New Year's Eve here in the UK) :)  There will be some particularly happy faces as Big Ben chimes, signifying the start of 2006 :)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: mst3k on December 07, 2005, 05:45:34 PM
Ok, Im a lil late to this pool party but I would like to "dive" in as well.

As far as spouses and such, just remember the rool.

No one talks about Ti-Cham Club!

 ;)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 07, 2005, 11:09:49 PM
Somy & mst3k,
Just pop on over to the sign up list: http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=1236.0
to register for the Ti-Cham Lottery Draw...

Cheers, Nathan.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Somy Nex on December 08, 2005, 12:56:38 AM
just a couple weeks... i can wait :clock:  :'(

... there should be a sad face in that hourglass!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 08, 2005, 01:34:59 AM
Yes I believe I did mention something about the stroke of midnight HST or somesuch (although i can't hold myself to which date, gotta go read my post again) but I am not averse to making it right at the New Year so it would be the stroke of midnight on December 31st, meaning one second afterwards would be January 1st, 2006. 

Howzzat? :dontknow:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 08, 2005, 01:42:18 AM
Sounds groovy Charlie.... lets roll with that!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 08, 2005, 01:55:22 AM
"Sounds groovy".  "Let's roll".

You shore a kewl guy there mate - er, Nate! :evil6:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: jeffb on December 08, 2005, 02:32:10 AM
I have an older friend that regularly exclains "NiftY"

So "Nifty" it is ;)

I'm in, too!


jeffb
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 08, 2005, 02:52:23 AM
Gee!  The list is growing and growing.  I bet that by the time Charlie closes it almost everyone in the original list would have listed.  Kewl  :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Readerbob on December 08, 2005, 02:53:54 AM
I have an older friend that regularly exclains "NiftY"

So "Nifty" it is ;)

I'm in, too!


jeffb

Far out, man!!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 08, 2005, 03:41:28 AM
"Sounds groovy".  "Let's roll".

You shore a kewl guy there mate - er, Nate! :evil6:

:rotflmao: - well the Fonz tries
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Paper Lawyer on December 08, 2005, 08:21:24 AM
Charlie, its early morning in the UK and time for another daft Paper Lawyer question....   I assume the Ti CHammie price (which is very low!)  is for the "basic" chameleon i.e. no slim tube or slimhead.  Presumably the additional cost of machining ti versions of both "extras" (both to you and the end buyer) would be too prohibitive unless everyone who won/purchased a Ti Chameleon also bought the slimhead and slimtube?

I'm making your life more difficult again, aren't I....sorry!  Not trying to make extra work for you, just understanding what being on the list will mean :)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 08, 2005, 08:37:37 AM
I beleive th answer to that question is "just the light and only the light".  I think so anyway.  I asked the same question in one of the three? TI threads.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Paper Lawyer on December 08, 2005, 08:49:10 AM
Thanks Geo, I must have missed your earlier post :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 08, 2005, 09:47:08 AM
Yep, specific posts are almost impossible to find (although we DO have a "functional" search engine!) so that was one of the reasons we went with Part 3 of the "regular" Chameleon thread series, yet included all of the "updates" in the first post (and to which I just added a series of pictures of the Lanyard Ring).

It may come to that here - unless we hurry up and get the lottery over and done with but there's still nearly a month to go...:sigh:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Somy Nex on December 08, 2005, 11:20:28 AM
Okay Somy, I'll ya twice then.













NOT! :rotflmao:



Durn! you saw through my plot to get myself listed twice!  :cussing:

*turns around*



Come, Pinky! We must return to the lab to prepare again for tomorrow night!


(but seriously, i still don't know what happened to that original post. maybe the software didn't like my overboard smilies  :dontknow: )
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 08, 2005, 11:45:41 AM
This is turning seriously devious...;)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Shade on December 08, 2005, 11:53:59 AM
Id like to be the first to start the "Offical" Kick employees of FF off the TI List Thread"

Join me in removing atleast four people from the esteemed list!!!!!

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE

Soon dozens of angry Smurfs will be at your home doing bad bad things to the flashlights you alrdy own
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Somy Nex on December 08, 2005, 12:12:05 PM
 :binkybaby:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: fläshgreëniè on December 08, 2005, 12:40:24 PM
ok, think there are 10 people too many on the signup list :o. :violent5:

all these extra 10 people, please go away...  :director::P :angel9:

 :laughing6: :laughing6: :wav: :toothy9:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 08, 2005, 03:18:09 PM
Id like to be the first to start the "Offical" Kick employees of FF off the TI List Thread"

Join me in removing atleast four people from the esteemed list!!!!!

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE

Soon dozens of angry Smurfs will be at your home doing bad bad things to the flashlights you alrdy own

Don't be making me call out EVIL SMURFETTE again...... 


OH no!






No really I can control everything!






















Please not he is just making idle threats!



























They are just caught up in  flashlight buying frenzy!


































(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5517/rebelsmurfette5xy.gif)

"Don't worry Geo, I'll take care of these troublemakers - make'm wish they were newbies!"
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: bindibadgi on December 08, 2005, 09:51:22 PM
She almost makes me glad I'm not on the list!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 08, 2005, 10:13:26 PM
Sheesh, for a second there I thought the fuse was her - nevermind as I will NOT allow this to become a tranny site! :rotflmao:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 08, 2005, 10:21:43 PM
Sheesh, for a second there I thought the fuse was her - nevermind as I will NOT allow this to become a tranny site! :rotflmao:

Yeah, it kinda DOES look like those Chevy and Ford "piss on" window stickers.  Those are atrocious, BTW. :protest:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 09, 2005, 01:52:33 AM
We are at twenty-seven listees for the Ti-Chams.  I'd say the odds are lookin' purdy good...in fact if the drawing were to happen right now, it would disappoint less than half of the list, and more than half would be rather happy, I think.

Let's close it already.





















NOT!!! :evil6:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 09, 2005, 02:00:35 AM
Close it now?  Why thats an excellent idea!  Whos with me?   :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: nemul on December 09, 2005, 02:57:44 AM

NOT!!! :evil6:

hahaha
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: acusifu on December 10, 2005, 05:20:59 AM
Hi please forgive my titanium ignorance. What is special about titanium for a flashlight ? Is is a stronger or rather harder material ? More scratch resistance ?
Other than being pretty and a collectors item, why would I want one of these ?
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 10, 2005, 05:31:39 AM
Hi please forgive my titanium ignorance. What is special about titanium for a flashlight ? Is is a stronger or rather harder material ? More scratch resistance ?
Other than being pretty and a collectors item, why would I want one of these ?

That's exactly the attitude I want you to have.   :laughing7: :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: nemul on December 10, 2005, 05:32:56 AM
Hi please forgive my titanium ignorance. What is special about titanium for a flashlight ? Is is a stronger or rather harder material ? More scratch resistance ?
Other than being pretty and a collectors item, why would I want one of these ?

ti·ta·ni·um (tī-tā'nē-əm, tĭ-)
n. (Symbol Ti)

A strong, low-density, highly corrosion-resistant, lustrous white metallic element that occurs widely in igneous rocks and is used to alloy
aircraft metals for low weight, strength, and high-temperature stability. Atomic number 22; atomic weight 47.87 melting point 1,660°C;
 boiling point 3,287°C; specific gravity 4.54; valence 2, 3, 4.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: acusifu on December 10, 2005, 05:33:22 AM
So now I should want one ?
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 10, 2005, 05:36:32 AM
Should you want one?  Well thats a question you and only you can answer  ;)  As for me, I definitely want one.  She will be my queen while I use the regular Chameleon  :P

Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: acusifu on December 10, 2005, 05:39:02 AM
Thanks ! 
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 10, 2005, 07:28:30 AM
Hi please forgive my titanium ignorance. What is special about titanium for a flashlight ? Is is a stronger or rather harder material ? More scratch resistance ?
Other than being pretty and a collectors item, why would I want one of these ?

Actually you probably would not want one.  It is just lightweight and super cool.  We all want one just because we are geeks.  In fact I wouldn't even bother signing up for it.  Anybody who wants to remove their name from the list is more than welcome to do so!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: nemul on December 10, 2005, 07:51:18 AM
Actually you probably would not want one.  It is just lightweight and super cool.  We all want one just because we are geeks.  In fact I wouldn't even bother signing up for it.  Anybody who wants to remove their name from the list is more than welcome to do so!

 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: acusifu on December 10, 2005, 07:54:14 AM
  ;)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Readerbob on December 10, 2005, 12:59:04 PM
Hi please forgive my titanium ignorance. What is special about titanium for a flashlight ? Is is a stronger or rather harder material ? More scratch resistance ?
Other than being pretty and a collectors item, why would I want one of these ?

Actually you probably would not want one.  It is just lightweight and super cool.  We all want one just because we are geeks.  In fact I wouldn't even bother signing up for it.  Anybody who wants to remove their name from the list is more than welcome to do so!

I agree with Geo. In fact, most people I think would be bitterly disappointed with the Ti-Cham, so much so that I would strongly advise that they take their names off the list RIGHT NOW!! Only a small handful (maybe a dozen or so) of us truly naive geeks could get any possible satisfaction from this light, so quit now while you're ahead!! Geo and I won't be sorry you did!

 :laughing4:

--Bob
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Osprey Guy on December 10, 2005, 04:17:53 PM
Now Charlie...Don't go messing with the signup deadline.  I'm allowing that extra time between now and then to help determine if I'm gonna take the plunge and add the Ti-Cham to an already growing list of flashlight commitments.

I've got a couple of things going on that may greatly effect my decision...and my ability to lay out even more flashlight bucks without taking any additional heat from the wife (who already thinks I'm nuts...but then I'm sure that's what attracted her to me in the first place) ;)

I've got a fairly important knife show taking place tomorrow right here in Baltimore...Selling a couple of knives would easily solve my little flashlight expenditure conundrum.  We have an unwritten rule...my knife money is my own...everything else I simply turn over to her. :evil5: :pottytrain2: :whip2:

There's a reason why we're still married after all this time...It's called compromise.  She puts up with my crazy sh*t and I in turn comply to a few of her wishes, especially when it comes to money.  I've always been ridiculously lazy about maintaining a checkbook...Before I met my wife, my solution was to simply make enough money that I didn't ever need to worry if I was off by a thou here and there...But she changed all that.  Now I simply hand it all over to her.  Ain't love grand?  :love10:

I'll let you know soon if I'm in or not.


Dennis Greenbaum   8)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 10, 2005, 06:23:09 PM
No problem Dennis, I'll try my best not to listen to these recalcitrant hoodlums who are trying to talk people out of listing, or want the list closed altogether.  Blasphemy!

But in fact we could always reduce the number of Ti-Chams here and put up one or two for auction either on FF's B/S/T Forum, or even e-bay...:dontknow:

Then I'd just take one a your work-of-art knives in trade, see? :evil6:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Yaesumofo on December 10, 2005, 09:52:09 PM
Ok as stated elsewhere I would like to be included in whatever lottery or list or whatever for a Ti cameleon. Where do I need to place this request to make it official ?
I think that there should be a minimum number of MrBulk flashlight onership, say 12 before one qualifies to purchase a Ti Cameleon. AFIK that is fair because it shown true loyalty.  For some, holding on to a flashlight and resisting PROFIT, is difficult. Not ME!! I have every MrBulk light I have ever bought. And a couple of other cool MrBulk bits and peices. Inculding an item which I beleive was MrBulks first use of Ti in the design of a flashlight. The MrBulk Baton/battery holder. Hey Charlie Any time I pull that out on the set our LAPD guys are allways interested in the thing asking lots of questions and wanting to go and try it on some glass HeHe...

Thanks
Yaesumofo
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 10, 2005, 10:12:08 PM
Thanks Yaesu, and welcome back - have not seen your posts here in quite a while.

You may list yourself at this link:

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=1236.0

The drawing of the 14 names will be held on New Year's Day - and nobody needs to be present to win (hee haw!).  Good luck, and Thanks again.

Oh yeah BTW, I am thinking I should enlist someone special, somebody impartial, who is specifically willing and able to execute the actual drawing - but especially it should be a person Not ON the List!

So any volunteers, and their reasons in 25 words or less explaining why they want to be the one to do The Picking, should post here (no dogs allowed)...:naughty:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: BraddahBill on December 10, 2005, 10:25:10 PM

Oh yeah BTW, I am thinking I should enlist someone special, somebody impartial, who is specifically willing and able to execute the actual drawing - but especially it should be a person Not ON the List!

So any volunteers, and their reasons in 25 words or less explaining why they want to be the one to do The Picking, should post here (no dogs allowed)...:naughty:

I think maybe Mrs. Bulk..........I'm sure she doesn't follow the board ( or you would be in trouble ), she doesn't really know any of us, I don't think she cares who wins them...... and if you cant trust her....who can ya trust.

OR

Ya can invite Jessica over to do the drawing so we can get a bunch of pictures.


 ;)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 10, 2005, 11:12:01 PM
Ok as stated elsewhere I would like to be included in whatever lottery or list or whatever for a Ti cameleon. Where do I need to place this request to make it official ?
I think that there should be a minimum number of MrBulk flashlight onership, say 12 before one qualifies to purchase a Ti Cameleon. AFIK that is fair because it shown true loyalty.  For some, holding on to a flashlight and resisting PROFIT, is difficult. Not ME!! I have every MrBulk light I have ever bought. And a couple of other cool MrBulk bits and peices. Inculding an item which I beleive was MrBulks first use of Ti in the design of a flashlight. The MrBulk Baton/battery holder. Hey Charlie Any time I pull that out on the set our LAPD guys are allways interested in the thing asking lots of questions and wanting to go and try it on some glass HeHe...

Thanks
Yaesumofo

James, as much as Charlie appreciates your loyalty, are you serious about your comments here?   :icon_scratch:  I'm sure you must be joking.  Many of us have multiple Mr. Bulk lights, myself included, but not all of us, including me, sell them for PROFIT.   :D   Some of us sell them to buy OTHER Mr. Bulk lights.  In that sense we are every bit as loyal as you.  I suppose we could reward those of us who own tons of Mr. Bulk stuff AND hang out on Flashlight Forums all the time.  That would show the most loyalty, wouldn't it?   :evil6:  So, seriously, the way to do the drawing is exactly the way I think Charlie's leanin': everybody gets a shot who wants one, whether they own twelve Mr. Bulk lights or none.   :headbang:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 10, 2005, 11:27:51 PM
Braddah_Bill Wrote:
Quote
I think maybe Mrs. Bulk..........I'm sure she doesn't follow the board ( or you would be in trouble ), she doesn't really know any of us, I don't think she cares who wins them...... and if you cant trust her....who can ya trust.

OR

Ya can invite Jessica over to do the drawing so we can get a bunch of pictures.

Hey Bill,

I rather like the latter option, but there might not be a Mrs. Bulk after that...:evil6:


Hey Troy,

Oh c'mon now, ya gotta have at least ONE Bulk light (the Chameleon) to get in on the Ti-Cham, wouldn't ya? :naughty:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: cue003 on December 11, 2005, 12:36:23 AM
I want in on this drawing please.

I need to start spending more time over here.  I seem to be missing out on things.  PLEASE put me n  the drawing.

Curtis
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Readerbob on December 11, 2005, 01:00:56 AM
Or maybe a NEW Mrs. Bulk?!?!?!? :love4:

Jessica Bulk . . . . hmmmmm . . . .   :fingerdance:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 11, 2005, 01:24:07 AM
I want in on this drawing please.

I need to start spending more time over here.  I seem to be missing out on things.  PLEASE put me n  the drawing.

Curtis

Howdy Curt,

To list yourself simply go to

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=1236.0

and have at it!

*edit - A-hah, I see you already did...awriiiiiight.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 11, 2005, 01:44:07 PM

Hey Troy,

Oh c'mon now, ya gotta have at least ONE Bulk light (the Chameleon) to get in on the Ti-Cham, wouldn't ya? :naughty:

Ooops, yep.  Clarification of my earlier post to James: YES, you DO have to at least have purchased the original Chammie to be eligible.   :-[
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Yaesumofo on December 11, 2005, 06:44:25 PM
You bet I am serious. The stage has already been set. I am totally fine with that. I do like the idea of rewarding loyalty though. There are those who will sign up to get one of these Ti beauty's simply because that light is (or will be) very rare. These rare Ti lights are the most likely to increase in value. Some people only have a profit motive.
So those people who acquire MrBulk Lights and Hold on to them IMHO should be the preferred "winners" It is not often that somthing like this comes up.
Personally I am not crazy about the idea that somebody who might get one of these Ti lights simply to turn it over at a profit. Lets hope this doesn't happen.

I only own one "rare" MrBulk flashlight. A Smoothie VIP. I felt very lucky to be invited to buy one of these. Not because it is rare but because it is a beauty. I don't think I will ever sell it. I enjoy this light very much, it is a true classic in semi custom flashlights. 

Yaesumofo


Ok as stated elsewhere I would like to be included in whatever lottery or list or whatever for a Ti cameleon. Where do I need to place this request to make it official ?
I think that there should be a minimum number of MrBulk flashlight ownership, say 12 before one qualifies to purchase a Ti Cameleon. AFIK that is fair because it shown true loyalty.  For some, holding on to a flashlight and resisting PROFIT, is difficult. Not ME!! I have every MrBulk light I have ever bought. And a couple of other cool MrBulk bits and peices. Including an item which I believe was Mr Bulks first use of Ti in the design of a flashlight. The MrBulk Baton/battery holder. Hey Charlie Any time I pull that out on the set our LAPD guys are always interested in the thing asking lots of questions and wanting to go and try it on some glass HeHe...

Thanks
Yaesumofo

James, as much as Charlie appreciates your loyalty, are you serious about your comments here?   :icon_scratch:  I'm sure you must be joking.  Many of us have multiple Mr. Bulk lights, myself included, but not all of us, including me, sell them for PROFIT.   :D   Some of us sell them to buy OTHER Mr. Bulk lights.  In that sense we are every bit as loyal as you.  I suppose we could reward those of us who own tons of Mr. Bulk stuff AND hang out on Flashlight Forums all the time.  That would show the most loyalty, wouldn't it?   :evil6:  So, seriously, the way to do the drawing is exactly the way I think Charlie's leaning': everybody gets a shot who wants one, whether they own twelve Mr. Bulk lights or none.   :headbang:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 11, 2005, 10:31:23 PM
You bet I am serious. The stage has already been set. I am totally fine with that. I do like the idea of rewarding loyalty though. There are those who will sign up to get one of these Ti beauty's simply because that light is (or will be) very rare. These rare Ti lights are the most likely to increase in value. Some people only have a profit motive.
So those people who acquire MrBulk Lights and Hold on to them IMHO should be the preferred "winners" It is not often that somthing like this comes up.
Personally I am not crazy about the idea that somebody who might get one of these Ti lights simply to turn it over at a profit. Lets hope this doesn't happen.

I only own one "rare" MrBulk flashlight. A Smoothie VIP. I felt very lucky to be invited to buy one of these. Not because it is rare but because it is a beauty. I don't think I will ever sell it. I enjoy this light very much, it is a true classic in semi custom flashlights. 

Yaesumofo


Ok as stated elsewhere I would like to be included in whatever lottery or list or whatever for a Ti cameleon. Where do I need to place this request to make it official ?
I think that there should be a minimum number of MrBulk flashlight ownership, say 12 before one qualifies to purchase a Ti Cameleon. AFIK that is fair because it shown true loyalty.  For some, holding on to a flashlight and resisting PROFIT, is difficult. Not ME!! I have every MrBulk light I have ever bought. And a couple of other cool MrBulk bits and peices. Including an item which I believe was Mr Bulks first use of Ti in the design of a flashlight. The MrBulk Baton/battery holder. Hey Charlie Any time I pull that out on the set our LAPD guys are always interested in the thing asking lots of questions and wanting to go and try it on some glass HeHe...

Thanks
Yaesumofo

James, as much as Charlie appreciates your loyalty, are you serious about your comments here?   :icon_scratch:  I'm sure you must be joking.  Many of us have multiple Mr. Bulk lights, myself included, but not all of us, including me, sell them for PROFIT.   :D   Some of us sell them to buy OTHER Mr. Bulk lights.  In that sense we are every bit as loyal as you.  I suppose we could reward those of us who own tons of Mr. Bulk stuff AND hang out on Flashlight Forums all the time.  That would show the most loyalty, wouldn't it?   :evil6:  So, seriously, the way to do the drawing is exactly the way I think Charlie's leaning': everybody gets a shot who wants one, whether they own twelve Mr. Bulk lights or none.   :headbang:

The thing is, James, that Charlie IS rewarding loyalty - you have to buy a regular Chammie to be eligible for the Ti Chammie.  However, most people can't afford to own twelve Mr. Bulk lights.  Why penalize them just because they can't afford to hold on to that many?  And, as far as the "get-one-only-to-sell-it" crowd, I'd guess that crowd is VERY small, if not non-existent.  I doubt that's why the people on this list are signing up for these.  I believe they're signing up simply for a chance to own one of these rare beauties.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 11, 2005, 10:37:23 PM
I too just sold an extra LH to help raise funds for the Chameleon.  As much as I would like to own them all, sometimes ya gotta make sacrfices!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Yaesumofo on December 11, 2005, 11:30:28 PM
I don't really want to drag this further off topic. We will have to wait and see if any show up on the market shortly after people receive the lights. I seem to remember that a couple of  Ti Lion Cub became available shortly after they made their way to their owners. At a premium price. In fact these were the only Lion Cubs which realized premium prices (other than the too high prices SE). Most of these which were sold shortly after the original sale did not realize the original sale price. Some people took substantial losses to get cash out of the SE Lion Cub. Thank goodness the chameleons are priced more reasonably and within the reach of more flashlight freaks.  As for the TI version This light will immediately be worth more than it's price (If the Lion Cub is any indicator) so it makes sense for everybody who is on the Chameleon list to sign up for a shot at one.  There are those who would pay extra just to get one of these.

We will see.
Yaesumofo


The thing is, James, that Charlie IS rewarding loyalty - you have to buy a regular Chammie to be eligible for the Ti Chammie.  However, most people can't afford to own twelve Mr. Bulk lights.  Why penalize them just because they can't afford to hold on to that many?  And, as far as the "get-one-only-to-sell-it" crowd, I'd guess that crowd is VERY small, if not non-existent.  I doubt that's why the people on this list are signing up for these.  I believe they're signing up simply for a chance to own one of these rare beauties.
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Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 12, 2005, 12:22:22 AM
Hi James!  Whats up? Thanks for all the tips about the Cub.  I surely am enjoying her  :thumbup:

Anyway, I somehow feel for James.  I too wanted the Ti Chameleon, not for profit, but to be my queen.  And I will surely feel disappointed to see someone get the her just for profit.  I would rather see her in the hands of someone who will appreciate her, either by using her or keeping her as their queen.  I seemed to recall reading somewhere that Charlie brought up the idea of asking buyers to "sign up" for a contract not to sell the Ti Chameleon?  I cant recall the exact details of it but I am sure its somewhre here in the forums.  Maybe Charlie can update us on this?
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 12, 2005, 12:29:17 AM
Hi James!  Whats up? Thanks for all the tips about the Cub.  I surely am enjoying her  :thumbup:

Anyway, I somehow feel for James.  I too wanted the Ti Chameleon, not for profit, but to be my queen.  And I will surely feel disappointed to see someone get the her just for profit.  I would rather see her in the hands of someone who will appreciate her, either by using her or keeping her as their queen.  I seemed to recall reading somewhere that Charlie brought up the idea of asking buyers to "sign up" for a contract not to sell the Ti Chameleon?  I cant recall the exact details of it but I am sure its somewhre here in the forums.  Maybe Charlie can update us on this?

Chris, what do you mean by you "feel" for James?   :icon_scratch:  Guy's got twelve Mr. Bulk lights.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 12, 2005, 12:49:51 AM
I think it is VERY important to note here that, despite whatever inferences the newer members might mistakenly draw from certain comments above, ALL of my custom flashlights - from the VIP, to the Lionheart, to the LionCub and now the Chameleon - have indeed been priced reasonably ...

...when purchased DIRECTLY FROM ME.

Through an unfortunate set of circumstances, certain indiviiduals chose to resell their Bulk lights - whether singly or from one particular dealer who bought Many  - at sometimes staggering profits, the monies from which I never saw.  And it was not my business to see any of it anyway because I had already collected a reasonable price  for those lights.

I just wanted to clarify the phrase - or perhaps several phrases - above that might lead readers unfamiliar with certain past events to draw erroneous conclusions about my ethics or business practices.  In fact it was exactly this type of wild speculation - by a few competitors and their rabid supporters who neither knew, nor ever were privy, to the true circumstances - that became the primary motivation for a loyal friend to start The Flashlight-Forums on my behalf, and for th others who immediately signed up here to the tune of TWO HUNDRED MEMBERS in approximately two days...

To him (and to our early faithful), I hereby offer my humble and most groveling :notworthy:

Thanks to DG, I have never had to look back. :headbang:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 12, 2005, 02:47:43 AM
Hi James!  Whats up? Thanks for all the tips about the Cub.  I surely am enjoying her  :thumbup:

Anyway, I somehow feel for James.  I too wanted the Ti Chameleon, not for profit, but to be my queen.  And I will surely feel disappointed to see someone get the her just for profit.  I would rather see her in the hands of someone who will appreciate her, either by using her or keeping her as their queen.  I seemed to recall reading somewhere that Charlie brought up the idea of asking buyers to "sign up" for a contract not to sell the Ti Chameleon?  I cant recall the exact details of it but I am sure its somewhre here in the forums.  Maybe Charlie can update us on this?

Heh!  Its not about the number of lights I felt connected with  :P  Its the feeling of want, desire, lust for the Ti Chameleons and with it the hope that it doesnt fall into someone who just might wanna make a nice little profit out of it  ;)

Chris, what do you mean by you "feel" for James?   :icon_scratch:  Guy's got twelve Mr. Bulk lights.  :laughing7:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 17, 2005, 08:28:58 AM
Due to my little "eliminative adventure" this part day and a half, I was unable to pass on (pun UN-intended) some latest news, but a couple of days ago my machinist informed me that completion of all the Ti-Cham bodies "would be close" regarding my request that they be done by Christmas.  Of course I would not be able to do much with them yet anyway since I will be busy with the rest of the "regular" Chameleons, but at least this slight delay has allowed the eventual owner of the Ti-Chams to ALSO enjoy the "Fifth Dimension", as someone so eloquently put it, or that of having a fifth, extra power level (1200mA) Current Table from which to select outputs to suit the particular bodily format their Ti-Chams take.

Just a lil' update for y'all, since I have been unable to post anything for the last couple of days...
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Lightstream on December 17, 2005, 08:42:14 AM
Hope you're feeling better - "downtime" is no fun at all!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 17, 2005, 08:51:27 AM
Thanks for the update again Charlie.  Happy to hear that the Ti Chameleon bodies are almost done :thumbup: Errrrr do i have to pay extra if you ship the Ti with my regular Chameleon?   :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Karl on December 17, 2005, 09:17:58 AM
Good to hear the progress! :thumbup:


Karl
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 17, 2005, 04:46:48 PM
Now that you've got that crap outta the way... :rotflmao:  TOLD ya not to eat the fish eyes.   :icon_puke_r:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 17, 2005, 05:05:23 PM
Great to hear that you are back in action!  Can't wait to see the photos of the TiLTs - maybe I'll be lucky enough to have more than pictures!

Gotta go sell some plasma!
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: ernsanada on December 18, 2005, 02:07:57 AM
Troy,

Congratulations on your purchase of your TI Cub.  :D

I hope you can add a TI Chameleon to your collection! :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: ernsanada on December 18, 2005, 02:22:45 AM
How do like this picture of my Tie Lion Heart?   :D

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7084/dsc01457small5nx.jpg)

(Hint, there is a tie below the Lion Heart)


Thanks to ImageShack for Free Image Hosting (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 18, 2005, 02:41:27 AM
You guys are making me drool  :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 18, 2005, 03:06:17 AM
Titanium LionHeart?  Now That's a new one on Me...:nono:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 18, 2005, 03:28:43 AM
Troy,

Congratulations on your purchase of your TI Cub.  :D

I hope you can add a TI Chameleon to your collection! :thumbup:

Thanks, I hope so, too.  They'd make quite the couple.  ;)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 18, 2005, 04:25:02 AM
Man, all these people, hinting up a storm...:dontknow:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 18, 2005, 04:35:54 AM
Man, all these people, hinting up a storm...:dontknow:

As nemul would say: hehehe
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 18, 2005, 06:06:47 AM
Shhhhh...I am hiding out behind the closed door of my den right now, with the light turned off and gratefully away from the horrid karaoke that our guests are belting out this very moment.

A few beers and other assorted mixed drinks have had their usual effect, and suddenly everyone thinks they are American Idol candidates.  Me, I just wish we could get rid of all these people so I could build some lights, *our* Chameleons that everyone and his brother/sister are waiting for.

This whole raft of holiday season obligational activities is the worst for flashlight projects I tell ya, and henceforth I will Never offer a light again when it's around this time of year.

Sorry, just had to blog a bit and share the misery... :'(
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Lightstream on December 18, 2005, 06:17:00 AM
Shhhhh...I am hiding out behind the closed door of my den right now, with the light turned off and gratefully away from the horrid karaoke that our guests are belting out this very moment.

A few beers and other assorted mixed drinks have had their usual effect, and suddenly everyone thinks they are American Idol candidates.  Me, I just wish we could get rid of all these people so I could build some lights, *our* Chameleons that everyone and his brother/sister are waiting for.

This whole raft of holiday season obligational activities is the worst for flashlight projects I tell ya, and henceforth I will Never offer a light again when it's around this time of year.

Sorry, just had to blog a bit and share the misery... :'(

Some sleeping pills in the drinks might help :rotflmao:

No you're not going to date-rape them, you just want them to pass out quietly and then you can spend some Quality Time with the lights :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 18, 2005, 06:27:03 AM
Sleeping pills?  Why...why...thats brilliant  :thumbup: Anything to make sure our lights make it by New Year  :P
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Somy Nex on December 18, 2005, 07:40:47 AM
*twitch*
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Geologist on December 18, 2005, 06:29:33 PM
Should have used the Costco HID (or X990) as a crown dispersement tool.  That and a very loud buzzer/air horn would really stir thinks up!

So did anyone sing "Stairway to Heaven" ?  :rotflmao:  What about "Freebird" ?  :rotflmao:  gotta stop.  Karoke is a great spectator sport!

There used to be a live streaming web cam in a Karoke bar on Bourbon St., New Orleans, LA, USA.  It was always great for me (7 hours ahead) to watch the people at 3 AM on Bourbon St., intoxicated and singing away.  Great live entertainment over morning coffee!

Title: FIRST PICS of TITANIUM CHAMELEONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 22, 2005, 02:12:46 AM
TnC just sent me these pics showing the Ti-Cham logo, the pattern is grooved directly down into the Titanium surface as line art - never to be erased again.  Only a couple more small milling operations like the trit slot in the battery tube (we decided the Control Module wall was a little too thin for this) and they are ready to ship.  Possibly even tomorrow...:headbang:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/IMG_2336.JPG)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/IMG_2338.JPG)


And January 1st looms...:naughty:

Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: kukula on December 22, 2005, 02:19:52 AM
Oh boy oh boy!  This is really looking better and better.  Thanks for the teaser Charlie  :P  I am now wet with drool  ;)  Really wish I get lucky with the lottery  8)
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 22, 2005, 02:27:40 AM
Wonder if we could get an icon depicting "wet with drool" on it somehow...? :evil6:

Thanks kukula, anticipation such as yours adds an extra edge of excitement to make this whole thing all the more interesting, even to casual onlookers.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: ernsanada on December 22, 2005, 02:30:51 AM
Wow!  Nice!   :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: n_den on December 22, 2005, 03:06:08 AM
Hey Mr. Bulk,

Will this fit on my Chameleon? That would be cool. If you have extras. Thanks.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: MR Bulk on December 22, 2005, 03:17:40 AM
Oops, sorry Keith, this is a limited run of only fourteen (well, a few more than fourteen but fourteen is all that will be left after I hang onto a few for HAT, me, etc.).

But you Could put yourself into the lottery, ya know...:thinking:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Lightstream on December 22, 2005, 12:53:33 PM
TnC just sent me these pics showing the Ti-Cham logo, the pattern is grooved directly down into the Titanium surface as line art - never to be erased again.  Only a couple more small milling operations like the trit slot in the battery tube (we decided the Control Module wall was a little too thin for this) and they are ready to ship.  Possibly even tomorrow...:headbang:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/IMG_2336.JPG)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/IMG_2338.JPG)


And January 1st looms...:naughty:



dddddddddddddammmmmmmmn!!!!!!!! That is so absolutely utterly sweet.....

Gentlemen, excuse me a moment while I go outside and choke my bank account and Paypal account to SOMEHOW force $275 out of them (all they're doing is spitting out dead moths when I ask for cash....)

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*ducks back in*

Uhh.. yeah. The repo man was outside, actually. He said something about money too.. I think I'll wait here till he's gone.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: marcspar on December 22, 2005, 01:05:28 PM
 :thumbup:

They look awesome, Charlie. (The $$$ is ready - it's just a matter of fate....)

Will the 'normal' bead blasted chameleons also have the same engraved logo?

Marc
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on December 22, 2005, 01:11:32 PM
Sad to say, the normal chameleon wont have that engraving marc.  I do believe only the limited edition Ti chameleons comes with that engraving
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Lightstream on December 22, 2005, 01:43:38 PM
*SIGH*
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on December 22, 2005, 02:17:28 PM
Can't wait - Got a place waiting for it all ready!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Lightstream on December 22, 2005, 02:53:23 PM
I may just have to cave in. WHYYYYYYYYYYY couldn't we have the engraving on normal Chameleons..  :'( :'(
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: loalight on December 22, 2005, 04:46:37 PM
yeah, it's hard to resist this one.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on December 22, 2005, 09:30:18 PM
I bet you all you can't resist!  Matter of fact, I dare you to resist buying one!

I really need a pair of them anyway.  You'd all be better off just giving up now and going home!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 22, 2005, 10:52:52 PM
Sorry about the only-recently-developed logo, had to differentiate the Ti-Chams somehow...:dontknow:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Lightstream on December 22, 2005, 11:59:06 PM
ok, ok. Tempt me.

The Ti-Cham comes alone, with no accessories, right? We'll use our existing SlimHead/Tube/ChameleHead on it?
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: EricMack on December 23, 2005, 02:46:59 AM
Waiting to see how long it takes someone to suggest green glow paint for the Chameleon :clock:

This light is soooo cool, Charlie :wav:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 23, 2005, 03:05:20 AM

The Ti-Cham comes alone, with no accessories, right? We'll use our existing SlimHead/Tube/ChameleHead on it?

Correctamundo.

EricMack, green glow paint is good, although someone already suggested - a green glow button cover!  Just gotta find the right material now and have it cut...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: ernsanada on December 23, 2005, 03:44:47 AM
Just seen a TI Cub for sale at CPF,  http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=102160
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 23, 2005, 05:26:28 AM
Just seen a TI Cub for sale at CPF,  http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=102160

That's CY.  Offer withdrawn.  He had a momentary lapse of sanity.   :laughing7:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 23, 2005, 05:47:10 AM
"Momentary lapse of sanity"...:evil6:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on December 23, 2005, 06:01:10 AM
Can't say I blame him for withdrawing it. A Momentary Lapse Of Reason. I must hear that Pink Floyd now...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Rudi on December 23, 2005, 02:50:08 PM
How well (or how poorly) do titanium lights disipate heat?
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 23, 2005, 06:08:38 PM
Good question Rudi.  Titanium's thermal conductivity is very low at 10 Btu/hr, or about a tenth that of aluminum.

This may need to be considered if the light is set at the highest (1.2amp) Current Table and then deliberately driven at the brightest level (5) for extended periods.

But even then, I've noticed that my Ti-Cub does get warm quite quickly when set on the highest levels of output.  The fact that stars rather than bare emitters are used may be helping to create this since the stars have their own little plate of aluminum which pulls the heat down and away from the Luxeon's slug, spreading it out over the entire surface area of the Luxeon's plate which in turn is in firm contact with the Chameleon's heatsink.  The main thing is that a thermal pathway exists to direct heat away from the Luxeon's die slug, and that this heat is indeed moving out into free air (or the hand, as one will experience while holding the Ti-Cub).
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on December 23, 2005, 11:15:27 PM
We don't have the appropriate emiticons; so I have "appropriated" these from elsewhere... Xause these lights need all they can get....

(http://www.bamber.org/wiki/ow/images/icons/emoticon-drool.gif)   (http://www.penemenn.com/bbs/skin/shine_guest2/emoticons/emoticon_13.gif)   (http://www.wackyb.co.nz/trillian/tpdrool.gif)  (http://www.bamber.org/wiki/ow/images/icons/emoticon-drool.gif)   (http://www.penemenn.com/bbs/skin/shine_guest2/emoticons/emoticon_13.gif)   (http://www.wackyb.co.nz/trillian/tpdrool.gif)  (http://www.bamber.org/wiki/ow/images/icons/emoticon-drool.gif)   (http://www.penemenn.com/bbs/skin/shine_guest2/emoticons/emoticon_13.gif)   (http://www.wackyb.co.nz/trillian/tpdrool.gif)  (http://www.bamber.org/wiki/ow/images/icons/emoticon-drool.gif)   (http://www.penemenn.com/bbs/skin/shine_guest2/emoticons/emoticon_13.gif)   (http://www.wackyb.co.nz/trillian/tpdrool.gif)


Looking awesome Charlie!!!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 24, 2005, 09:56:33 AM
The subject of additional aluminum tubes with Chameleon logo engraving has been given its own thread here:

http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=1396.msg23739#msg23739

Please go there to make additional comments regarding that specific topic.  Thank You.
Title: Re: TITANIUM CHAMELEONS - LIMITED EDITIONS
Post by: Yaesumofo on December 24, 2005, 07:54:52 PM
Charlie, I hope you weren't referring to my post (but I think you were). If you were I apologize. I forget that some people present who are new to the realm may not be familiar with how the CPF SE version of the Lion Cub was sold and by whom. I never meant to infer that you had charged too high a price. I agree that you have and always have charged a somewhat reasonable price for your offerings.
Sorry to have made it sound like you had charged an unreasonable price. It would be better to say that many people myself included paid a price which was a bit high. WE made a choice. In the end it really had little to do with you because these lights were not bought directly from you. The bare al Cubs that you sold were at a very reasonable price especially when compared to the cost of the SE.  Personally, in the future I will most likely not purchase a MrBulk flashlight unless it is direct from you, or as a second hand unit from another user.

Sorry again to have raised that subject. I look forward to the Ti drawing hoping that I may receive a chance to get one.
Merry Christmas.
Yaesumofo



I think it is VERY important to note here that, despite whatever inferences the newer members might mistakenly draw from certain comments above, ALL of my custom flashlights - from the VIP, to the Lionheart, to the Lion Cub and now the Chameleon - have indeed been priced reasonably ...

...when purchased DIRECTLY FROM ME.

Through an unfortunate set of circumstances, certain individuals chose to resell their Bulk lights - whether singly or from one particular dealer who bought Many  - at sometimes staggering profits, the monies from which I never saw.  And it was not my business to see any of it anyway because I had already collected a reasonable price  for those lights.

I just wanted to clarify the phrase - or perhaps several phrases - above that might lead readers unfamiliar with certain past events to draw erroneous conclusions about my ethics or business practices.  In fact it was exactly this type of wild speculation - by a few competitors and their rabid supporters who neither knew, nor ever were privy, to the true circumstances - that became the primary motivation for a loyal friend to start The Flashlight-Forums on my behalf, and for th others who immediately signed up here to the tune of TWO HUNDRED MEMBERS in approximately two days...

To him (and to our early faithful), I hereby offer my humble and most groveling :notworthy:

Thanks to DG, I have never had to look back. :headbang:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 24, 2005, 11:05:49 PM
James,

Noted and accepted, but understand that apology or not, ALL listees will receive an EQUAL chance for these.  I will explain/publicize the lottery method when the time comes.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on December 25, 2005, 12:26:42 AM
Oh boy!  Just a week more and the LOTTERY!  C,mon guys do sign up!  Dont even think about it!  This will be chance of a lifetime!  The more the merrier! No sense holding back.  This will be my first time to join a lottery and I am so excited for me and all of us  :-[ :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 25, 2005, 03:04:11 AM
Hey kukula,

Huh?  Lottery?  WHAT  lottery?  What means "lottery" anyway? :evil6:

I am thinking to cut up a bunch of paper slips with each listee's number on it, fold them up so no one can see what the numbers are, dump them into a hat/bowl/basket/whatever, shake it all around ("Ya put your right foot in, ya put your right foot out...", etc.) and then pull out fourteen slips at random.  The numbers on each slip withdrawn would correspond with each winning name and be posted on FF immediately thereafter.

Although I would like some or all HAT members present at the time of this drawing, to be commemorated complete with a few pictures or even a short video of the 14 slips being drawn, this will not be possible if it is to be done exactly on New Year's Day as I would guess everyone (even us no-life HAT members, myself included) has something to do that day, so we may try to arrange something within the first few days following the holiday.

OR

we could just do it that evening after the day's obligations and celebrations are over which means just me, my wife, our daughter and our dogs would be present.

BTW, I did say that participants had to be present to win, didn't I...?:naughty:

So it'd be on That Day or a few days after - we'll see how it goes...:dontknow:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Yaesumofo on December 25, 2005, 03:28:28 AM
I never would have expected it to be anything other than fair and equal. I am sure it will be fun too. I am sure that the anticipation is just driving some people crazy. As for me I will let the karma gods take care of things. Those who get 'em will be very happy I am sure.
Yaesumofo

James,

Noted and accepted, but understand that apology or not, ALL listees will receive an EQUAL chance for these.  I will explain/publicize the lottery method when the time comes.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: oidaR on December 25, 2005, 03:32:55 AM
Maybe, just maybe, Santa will bring ME one...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on December 26, 2005, 01:30:44 AM
Maybe, just maybe, Santa will bring ME one...

Santa?   Errr....I thought Santa comes on Christmas Eve?  :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: loalight on December 27, 2005, 05:46:57 PM
Regarding the heat issue: the Ti's will get hot if left on high without a hand to hold them. I left my ticub in my pocket once, and it accidentally got switched on to high, and it was VERY hot by the time I noticed. Now I force to level two instead of previous setting :)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 30, 2005, 05:44:21 AM
The Ti-Chameleon bodies have arrived!  The Ti-Chameleon bodies have arrived!

Some pics while waiting on the electronic boards (same situation as on the original Chameleons) - here is an assembled body viewed from the side:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Side.jpg)


And here is a top view:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Top.jpg)


Bottom view with logo:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Bottom.jpg)


Close-up of the tritium slot - and here's the deal - TnC meticulously mated each Control Module with each battery tube to marry them into pairs so that after the milling, each tritium slot would be perfectly aligned with each switch hole, thus creating the easy-indexing-in-the-dark function the tritium vials were to serve in the first place:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Index.jpg)


And here is a shot of the Ti-Chameleon with its Ti-Cub and standard Chameleon siblings:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-Line.jpg)


Just some tidbits to help hold everybody over while we wait on the electronics...:thumbsup:

Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: nemul on December 30, 2005, 06:23:33 AM
very nice! get ready for some drooling!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: loalight on December 30, 2005, 06:25:00 AM
Indeed, I need a titanium drool cup right about now..
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: BraddahBill on December 30, 2005, 06:49:37 AM
There's a whole lot of (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/drool2.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/drool2.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/drool2.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/drool2.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/drool2.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/drool2.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/drool2.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/BraddahBill/drool2.gif) going on right about now!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on December 30, 2005, 07:48:11 AM
Thanks for the pics Charlie!  She is sooooo pretty :-[ Now I am soaking in drool  :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: FrenchyLed on December 30, 2005, 08:52:34 AM
Ok...OK, If we have to be present...for the TI Chameleon lottery.....I have to put my watch to Honolulu time ;)

Please what time is for you Hawaiian People ?? ;)

BTW : Very nice Picture of Chameleon TI, can't wait the lottery.....but I never win at lottery :(

PS: is the time board the lottery time ??? It's fine I saw that my post was write at 12h52 am when it was 09h52 am here....I will celebrate the new year 9 hours before you ;)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Karl on December 30, 2005, 09:06:51 AM
Standing by....... :P



Karl
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Paper Lawyer on December 30, 2005, 10:09:21 AM
Ok...OK, If we have to be present...for the TI Chameleon lottery.....I have to put my watch to Honolulu time ;)

Please what time is for you Hawaiian People ?? ;)


Frenchy, Right hand click the time on the bottom right of your Windows screen then select "Adjust Date/Time" and then "Time Zone" - you can see the time difference there.  Being in the UK, Hawaii is listed as ten hours behind GMT :)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: FrenchyLed on December 30, 2005, 03:00:52 PM
Thank you Paper Lawyer :)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on December 30, 2005, 03:37:44 PM
OMG, that is freakin' beautiful.  MUST HAVE..........
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Rudi on December 30, 2005, 06:51:28 PM
TnC meticulously mated each Control Module with each battery tube to marry them into pairs so that after the milling, each tritium slot would be perfectly aligned with each switch hole, thus creating the easy-indexing-in-the-dark function the tritium vials were to serve in the first place
Use of pocket clip or lanyard attachment would obviously misalign the tritium vial, right?
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 30, 2005, 10:22:48 PM
Rudi - ahhh, good point - but the clip or ring itself could be situated to then become the index marker. :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Aten_Imago on December 30, 2005, 11:49:19 PM
Very Impressive indeed! TnC is a top notch machine shop IMHO. Ti Chameleon owners should be very satisfied.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on December 31, 2005, 05:34:21 PM
As a gentle reminder to all:

:naughty: 17 HOURS LEFT TO SIGN UP
FOR TI-CHAMELEON LOTTERY . . .
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: pcmike on January 01, 2006, 06:19:19 AM
It's about over now I reck'on..  :D
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Paper Lawyer on January 01, 2006, 11:10:14 PM
Good question Rudi.  Titanium's thermal conductivity is very low at 10 Btu/hr, or about a tenth that of aluminum.

This may need to be considered if the light is set at the highest (1.2amp) Current Table and then deliberately driven at the brightest level (5) for extended periods.

But even then, I've noticed that my Ti-Cub does get warm quite quickly when set on the highest levels of output.  The fact that stars rather than bare emitters are used may be helping to create this since the stars have their own little plate of aluminum which pulls the heat down and away from the Luxeon's slug, spreading it out over the entire surface area of the Luxeon's plate which in turn is in firm contact with the Chameleon's heatsink.  The main thing is that a thermal pathway exists to direct heat away from the Luxeon's die slug, and that this heat is indeed moving out into free air (or the hand, as one will experience while holding the Ti-Cub).

Charlie, I've signed up for the ti Chammie draw and then had a sudden panic about the ti conductivity.  I've read your comment quoted above and I have also read a ti thread involving Don's  III-Ti, but this comment (http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1213069&postcount=58) almost certainly refers to the ti chammie and I wanted to check whether the Chammie has an aluminium heatsink?  I'm particularly concerned as, if I were lucky enough to have the chance to buy the ti chammie, it would NOT be a shelf queen (hand on heart, the alu chammie would have to fight for its place in my tiny collection based on differing battery tubes etc) and so long usage is an issue for me.  Before removing my name from the sign up list (which I only threw in this morning :rolleyes: ) I thought it would be helpful if you could clarify the internals of the ti chammie.  I assume it does in fact have an aluminium heatsink?
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on January 01, 2006, 11:55:29 PM
Hi PA (heh heh),

One of the reasons I used a star Luxeon is because it does include its own wide (although fairly thin) genuine aluminum heatsink.  And from this sink the thermal conductivity would then transfer through the large flat physical interface between the sink and the intergral slab of Titanium that comprises the top face of the entire Control Module.

Prolonged use of the Ti-Cham coupled with leaving it on Table Five as well as running it on the absolute brightest level (also "5"), might indeed create a burden for the less efficient thermal transfer point over to Ti, but several things should be kept in mind here:

1) will your Ti-Cham be run this hard All  the time?

2) the star, which is the only component likely to ever be affected by hard driving, can Always  be changed out.  There is no sealed-up-and-potted "light engine" in the Chameleon/Ti-Chameleon.

3) residual value - and thus ease of resale - for the Ti-Cham (especially at just $275 originally, when others are selling what could be arguably considered "less functional" Ti-lights - for nearly $400!) should always greatly exceed that of an original Chameleon, despite the fairly limited quantity of even the original Chameleons to begin with.

4) there are no restrictions on whether one is "allowed to" sell their Ti-Cham (even immediately after securing their spot for one), so #3 above should play a pivotal factor in your decision.

So this is indeed your decision; the ball sir, is firmly in your court...:notworthy:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Paper Lawyer on January 01, 2006, 11:59:54 PM
Charlie, thanks for responding so quickly :)

I have no intenion of selling the ti chammie to make a quick buck (not your insinuation but I know others are worried and I can understand that concern re newbies) and I guess the reality is that I would not be using the chammie for prolonged periods of time on 1200mA.  And if a U bin were ever to come along, or a K2.... ;) :)  Mind you, not sure if I met the sign up deadline now  :dontknow:

Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on January 02, 2006, 12:20:06 AM
I hope Charlie doesnt mind me answering this post.  I am sure he is rather busy with the lottery and the Chameleons  :P

I understand your concern Paper Lawyer.  I am sure that comment was made in reference to Mr. Bulk's Ti Chameleon. 
AFAIK, the only Ti light that has an Aluminum heatsink that I know of is the CR2 Ion. IIRC, the Ti Chameleon doesnt have an aluminum heatsink.  But wait.  Although this might pose a problem to OTHER Ti lights, that wouldnt be the case with the Chammy.  The person who made that comment forgot one VERY IMPORTANT fact, that you can adjust the Chameleons current level.  And that made the big difference!
Running a Ti light at 1200 amps, or any light this small at such a high output, at an extended period of time would give you problems.  Even an aluminum light running at 1200 amps would get very hot quickly.  Plus the fact that your runtime would suffer considerably.  The 1200 amps is there only for intermettant use IMHO.  Charlie also included the 1200amp level to make the Chammy future proof.  That is, once the K2 comes out, you can swap the star with one and take full advantage of it with that current level.
For daily use, using lower levels and current would be what most people will be doing I believe.  Running the light at say 500amp wont give the Ti Cham any prob IMHO.  And heres more, you can always switch brightness level to dial in the exact amount of light that you need! 
So, in the end, i believe your fears are unfounded.  I am sure Charlie has thought about every detail about this light, and basing on what he has made for us before, I am sure the Ti Chammy would be one excellent, trouble free light!  :thumbup:

But then again, if you feel like removing your name on the Ti Chammy list, be my guest! That means more chance for me of getting one  :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on January 02, 2006, 12:22:16 AM
Thank kuku(oops, add "la").

To PA, based on your original post there (about being in and wanting to clarify this issue) you are still eligible - so are ya IN or OUT? :drumming_fingers:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Paper Lawyer on January 02, 2006, 12:23:36 AM
in, in, in! :) Thanks Charlie for your patience (and everyone waiting for this draw!)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on January 02, 2006, 12:44:59 AM
Whoa! that was close!! I can imagine those drumming fingers forming a pair of scissors and---- CUT OFF!!!

PL - lucky boy!

Cheers, Nathan.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on January 02, 2006, 11:53:24 PM
Well I would imaginge that lots of drool on the light would also eliminate any heat issues.  Drool makes a good conductor of heat.  NASA planned on using drool on the space shuttle, but they decided for a more expensive contract....
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: DavidR on January 04, 2006, 03:01:04 AM
Oh crap...I think I missed this one. These Ti Chamelions are very cool!! If it is still possible I would like to get an opportunity to own one.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on January 04, 2006, 07:17:42 AM
Hi DavidR,

My deepest apologies, see my reply to your inquiry...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on January 25, 2006, 12:31:38 PM
UPDATE 1-25-06:

I turned some free time into Titanium tritium time tonight:


(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit1.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit2.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit3.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit4.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit7.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit5.jpg)

(http://darkgear.com/mrbulk/cpf/Ti-trit6.jpg)


Of course further work on the Ti-Chams will continue after the regular Chameleons are completed.

Thank You for your patience...:naughty:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: fläshgreëniè on January 25, 2006, 12:43:01 PM
I take mine with the white bikini... :drool:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on January 25, 2006, 12:54:44 PM
Cool!  I forgot we're gettin' trits too!  Charlie, those are downroad lustful.  The flashlights, too.   :evil6:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MSaxatilus on January 25, 2006, 01:35:31 PM
Charlie.... all I can say is :hugme:!!!!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: mst3k on January 25, 2006, 05:26:14 PM
Wow those are amazingly beautiful.  I know this does me no good at all, but on the outside chance anyone who is getting one of those decides not to go for it or changes their mind and decides to sell, please contact me right away.


Dang, lust for something you can't have is a bad thing, huh??

 :'(
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: nemul on January 25, 2006, 06:29:33 PM
 :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: FrenchyLed on January 25, 2006, 07:29:54 PM
 :'( :'( And no TI chameleon for me  :'( :'(
I really need one...maybe I don't deserve it.....but I really want one ;)

Man this thread kill me every time I read it.. and now that I saw 20 TI chammies I am really sad  :'(

F...Lucky winners ;) :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: wallyrulz on January 25, 2006, 08:59:12 PM
Dang! and I promised myself I would not regret not putting my name in the hat.   :thumbdown:

Those look amazing Charlie.  I will try and not covet. . .

Who am I kidding! >:(

Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on January 25, 2006, 09:05:45 PM
Dang! and I promised myself I would not regret not putting my name in the hat.   :thumbdown:

Those look amazing Charlie.  I will try and not covet. . .

Who am I kidding! >:(



That's OK, Paul, there'll be at least one here in the State of Kansas.   :toothy10: 
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on January 25, 2006, 10:04:34 PM
They look great Charlie - really nice!  THanks for sharing!

Frenchy - I am not TOO far away in Germany - you could always come and visit!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on January 25, 2006, 10:08:12 PM
*gloat* *gloat* *gloat* - sheesh these guys...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on January 25, 2006, 10:30:43 PM
Frenchy you could come visit anyway!

That goes for Troy and Charlie as well.

Wally??  gotta think about that one!

But I have no space!  Family lives in less than 70 sqaure meters!  No space in Germany!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on January 25, 2006, 11:15:31 PM
Frenchy you could come visit anyway!

That goes for Troy and Charlie as well.

Wally??  gotta think about that one!

But I have no space!  Family lives in less than 70 sqaure meters!  No space in Germany!

Wha?  No Wally?  Why, because you'd have to mind your p's and q's with Da Minister walkin' around?   :laughing7:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: wallyrulz on January 25, 2006, 11:25:26 PM
Frenchy you could come visit anyway!

That goes for Troy and Charlie as well.

Wally??  gotta think about that one!

But I have no space!  Family lives in less than 70 sqaure meters!  No space in Germany!

Wha?  No Wally?  Why, because you'd have to mind your p's and q's with Da Minister walkin' around?   :laughing7:
:hugme: :violent1: :angel4:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on January 25, 2006, 11:33:05 PM
Charlie -
These look Hawt!!!!!!!!!!!!! The line of them there is beautiful... all that ti all pretty - hmm yummy...

Cheers, Nathan.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on January 26, 2006, 12:36:55 AM
Frenchy you could come visit anyway!

That goes for Troy and Charlie as well.

Wally??  gotta think about that one!

But I have no space!  Family lives in less than 70 sqaure meters!  No space in Germany!

Wha?  No Wally?  Why, because you'd have to mind your p's and q's with Da Minister walkin' around?   :laughing7:

No not that - just can't have too many Kansasians walking around here - it might upset the balance of things!

But for Wally I'll make an exception ;)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on January 26, 2006, 01:07:07 AM
Kansasians


"Kansasians."   :laughing7:  Actually, we're known simply as Kansans.   :D
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on January 26, 2006, 03:35:41 AM
 :drool: :woot: :icon_salut: :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: wallyrulz on January 26, 2006, 05:20:26 AM
Kansasians


"Kansasians."   :laughing7:  Actually, we're known simply as Kansans.   :D

Though I do know a few Kan"sissy"ans, MOST of us are alright.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Bullzeyebill on January 31, 2006, 02:11:00 AM
Wow, no posts for quite awhile, and Charlie is starting to ship out "all" Cammies today.  Even Ti.

Bill
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on January 31, 2006, 03:47:25 AM
Wow, no posts for quite awhile, and Charlie is starting to ship out "all" Cammies today.  Even Ti.

Bill

Man oh man oh man oh man oh man............................
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on January 31, 2006, 06:12:20 AM
Wow, no posts for quite awhile, and Charlie is starting to ship out "all" Cammies today.  Even Ti.

Bill

Man oh man oh man oh man oh man............................

Same here Troy!  Finally!!!  My first lights for 2006!!!  8) :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on January 31, 2006, 12:14:13 PM
Been packing ALL DAY and did not ship ANYthing yet...an' still more packin' ta go ta-morry!

Thing is every package is a "special order", meaning very few people have the same exact order so I cannot simply make up 100 of the same boxes - I have to look at each Paypal receipt (or letter that came with each mail-in payment) and set up one box/envelope at a time.  Too many options - that's what I get for making a light called a "chameleon", meaning it offers way too many interchangeable things creating way too many configurations for it.

However surface of my living room floor is getting filedl with packed-up parcels, no where to step comfortably, so I may do a shipment tomorrow and get back to filling the floor again.  *Sigh*...:dontknow:

This is the worst part of every project!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on January 31, 2006, 04:02:25 PM
Oh to be in a living room awash with custom lights!  If any extras fall into my box - well I will let ya know!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: FlIrishman on January 31, 2006, 04:24:39 PM
How about a pic of your living room?

Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on January 31, 2006, 04:42:38 PM
My living room?  no lights just toddler toys!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on January 31, 2006, 04:42:58 PM
ok maybe a few lights....
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on February 01, 2006, 03:04:42 AM
Been packing ALL DAY and did not ship ANYthing yet...an' still more packin' ta go ta-morry!

Thing is every package is a "special order", meaning very few people have the same exact order so I cannot simply make up 100 of the same boxes - I have to look at each Paypal receipt (or letter that came with each mail-in payment) and set up one box/envelope at a time.  Too many options - that's what I get for making a light called a "chameleon", meaning it offers way too many interchangeable things creating way too many configurations for it.

However surface of my living room floor is getting filedl with packed-up parcels, no where to step comfortably, so I may do a shipment tomorrow and get back to filling the floor again.  *Sigh*...:dontknow:

This is the worst part of every project!

Yeah, that's a lot of special orders to fill at one time. Of course you offered lots of options, and that means variety and a multitiude of combinations. I can't tell you how good it feels to know things are almost done. While driving around today for work, I heard an old song on the radio. Never paid much attention to it, but somehow the words "See chameleon, lying there in the sun..." were especially appropriate, seeing as the day was beautiful and sunny. The Chameleons are coming, the Chameleons are coming!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 01, 2006, 04:13:29 PM
Sounds like a great movie!  ha ha

Oh I can't wait!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 02, 2006, 12:20:26 AM
ONE-THIRD IS AWAY!!!  Now only 67% still to ship...

Please, those who see this spread word to the other Cham threads about shipping progress, while I return to the salt mines...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 02, 2006, 12:23:39 AM
Thanks Mr. B !!  You are tireless in your efforts and EVERYONE appreciates it!

And before you ask him if YOUR light shipped, don't- I can answer the question:

He is sending all the lights to me!  MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on February 03, 2006, 01:05:50 AM
One third has shipped.  Thats good news :thumbup: Wonder who those lucky guys are? ;) Times are indeed exciting.  Ill get my Chameleon soon I know.  And my loving arms are waiting to touch, cuddle and comfort her  :-[
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on February 03, 2006, 03:07:49 AM
One third has shipped.  Thats good news :thumbup: Wonder who those lucky guys are? ;) Times are indeed exciting.  Ill get my Chameleon soon I know.  And my loving arms are waiting to touch, cuddle and comfort her  :-[

Nope,  alot more than that.  Charlie said he's shipped nearly all Chameleons out, as of today.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 03, 2006, 03:25:46 AM
Except for live deliveries to people I will be meeting at the SHOT Show next week, ALL Chameleons have been shipped to those on the original list.  Including the Ti-Chams... :headbang:

Now to get working on LightHound's order...:icon_pale:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: ernsanada on February 03, 2006, 03:28:39 AM
Except for live deliveries to people I will be meeting at the SHOT Show next week, ALL Chameleons have been shipped to those on the original list.  Including the Ti-Chams... :headbang:

Now to get working on LightHound's order...:icon_pale:

Good news!!!  I will be waiting for Light Hound to receive their order!  :thumbup:

Good job Charlie!!! :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on February 03, 2006, 03:59:28 AM
Except for live deliveries to people I will be meeting at the SHOT Show next week, ALL Chameleons have been shipped to those on the original list.  Including the Ti-Chams... :headbang:

Now to get working on LightHound's order...:icon_pale:

Thank you so much Charlie!  Now the waiting game begins  :D
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 03, 2006, 04:19:52 AM
"Waitin' waitin' waitin', keep those people waitin', Rawhiiiiide... - oops, wrong topic...:icon_pale:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on February 03, 2006, 05:04:27 AM
Got a parcel this morning!! The Chammies are good to go!!! 2x Al and 1x Ti and all the toys!!!!!! Woo Hoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No report - didn't open them - nor do I have any Li-Ion's (Doh)!!!

report to come tonight... we'll see how these suckers run on standard lithiums for a litle while....

Thanks Charlie - thank you and the HAT - y'all rock!!!

Cheers, Nathan.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Paper Lawyer on February 03, 2006, 08:46:37 AM
:( C'mon trans-Atlantic airmail!  I've got Li-ions all charged up and waiting - clearly I'm much more deserving than Nathan ;) :D
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 03, 2006, 09:25:07 AM
Nathan,

Use standard lithiums?  Noooooooooooo!!!  You will be disappointed BIG Time!!!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on February 03, 2006, 09:31:53 AM
LOL - I think I've seen that already - they REALLY don't like std Lithiums at all.. lol  - I'll have to grab some and it'll wait till I get back from o/s... My bro will be able to play happily tho...

The ti is one beautiful light tho - I'm almost afraid to tocuh it!!!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 03, 2006, 09:33:22 AM
Go ahead and touch away - it's purdy tough stuff...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Nathan_Rodger on February 03, 2006, 09:36:31 AM
Tee heee hee - the tritium glows!!! I love this light....

Oh!!! Thanks for the surprise on the ti-light!!! Didn't expect it (not telling just in case its not common knowledge yet) - will take pics tomorrow...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on February 03, 2006, 09:40:01 AM
Whats the color of the tritium Nathan.  I love tritiums.  I find them very useful.  If it were up to me, all flashlights should have them.  Great thinking on your part Charlie for including them in the ti Chameleons  :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 03, 2006, 02:54:04 PM
Thanks Mr. B. - can't wait!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: FrenchyLed on February 03, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
IF oneof you, lucky TI chameleon winners, was not happy with their, please send me an email and I am sure we will find an arrangement  ;)

Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on February 03, 2006, 08:11:53 PM
IF oneof you, lucky TI chameleon winners, was not happy with their, please send me an email and I am sure we will find an arrangement  ;)



Pascal, that french wine must be REALLY effective.  :laughing6:  Can't see anybody "not happy" with their Ti Chameleons.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Codeman on February 03, 2006, 08:35:36 PM
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Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on February 03, 2006, 10:22:46 PM
Love the Ti and tritium. Love it.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on February 03, 2006, 10:33:36 PM
I'm hooked on this light already. Charlie and Co, you have outdone my expectations, and they were indeed high.

About the logo: Maybe you should sell T Shirts with the Ti Chammie Logo on them. I'd buy a couple. And, the regular logo you are working on, too. !

Ah, the thrill of a new light. Nothing else quite like it!! :P :thumbup: :thumbup: :D
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 03, 2006, 10:56:25 PM
"RAWHIIIIDE" :evil6:

Code-y, my break is comin' up in just THREE DAYS!!!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Codeman on February 03, 2006, 11:54:45 PM
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Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 04, 2006, 12:45:19 AM
We will all be there - at least it will seem that way!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on February 04, 2006, 02:55:13 AM
Hey Geo!  Youre back with an Elvis avatar.  I like it better than that hypnotic circle  :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 04, 2006, 09:14:39 AM
thanks kukula!  This avatar was a gift from BraddaBill!  Thanks Bill!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: dimebag on February 05, 2006, 12:23:19 AM
As much as I feel for those who are still waiting for theirs, I was lucky enough to receive my Ti and Classic Chammies yesterday afternoon.  I made the mistake of bringing them to my uncle's house last night though and he was able to talk me out of the Classic, so now I'm reduced to just the Ti Cham.  I am really liking it though.  The Ti version has such a solid feel to it and exhibits the same killer performance as the Classic Chammie.  These are really some great lights.  Well done once again Mr. B! :thumbup:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/wildcrafter/TiCham.jpg)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/wildcrafter/TiCham1.jpg)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/wildcrafter/TiChambeam.jpg)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 05, 2006, 12:26:48 AM
Nice photos!  Thanks for sharing!

Always carry lights that look cool but don't cost a fortune to satisfy the relatives!  Make sure your uncle is up to speed on Li-Ion technologies!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MSaxatilus on February 05, 2006, 12:30:01 AM
That logo looks sooooooo... coooool!!!! :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on February 05, 2006, 12:31:51 AM
so now I'm reduced to just the Ti Cham. 


 :laughing7:  That's like Ken Lay being reduced to just the vacation home in Kuala Lumpur and the winter hideaway in Aspen, CO.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 05, 2006, 12:44:02 AM
That logo looks sooooooo... coooool!!!! :thumbup:

Really?  Why, Thank You - designed it all by myself, you know...:evil6:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: wallyrulz on February 05, 2006, 03:20:32 AM
As much as I feel for those who are still waiting for theirs, I was lucky enough to receive my Ti and Classic Chammies yesterday afternoon.  I made the mistake of bringing them to my uncle's house last night though and he was able to talk me out of the Classic, so now I'm reduced to just the Ti Cham. . .

If you're that easy, let's talk.   :thumbup:

Thanks for the cool pics!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on February 05, 2006, 03:29:46 AM
That logo looks sooooooo... coooool!!!! :thumbup:

Really?  Why, Thank You - designed it all by myself, you know...:evil6:

Yes, that logo is indeed very cool. Cool enough to be on a T-shirt! Hint, hint...!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on February 05, 2006, 08:09:33 AM
That logo looks sooooooo... coooool!!!! :thumbup:

Really?  Why, Thank You - designed it all by myself, you know...:evil6:

Yes, that logo is indeed very cool. Cool enough to be on a T-shirt! Hint, hint...!

Now that you mentioned it :thinking: Paging Mr. Bulk  :evil6: :evil6: :evil6: :naughty:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: The Count on February 05, 2006, 09:25:53 AM
No kidding! Cameleon T Shirts would be great. :blob1:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: nemul on February 05, 2006, 10:11:22 AM
(http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/930/dimebag7pf.jpg)


...........
t-shirts?
BulkWare and BulkWear.... lol
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 05, 2006, 11:56:12 AM
Man, what is it with everyboy and the T-shirts and HIDs? :icon_scratch:

I am but a toothless (and inevitably hairless) peasant light maker - LEDs only so far - who is in total bliss in his own little world (my Rubbermaid storage shed workshop and this first-class forum), free to stare out into space over the little valley behind my house, eyes glazed over, all the while thinking about new (LED) light ideas - never do think about T-shirts or HIDs - and don't those things belong on cars anyway?

BUT - if someone here has connections with some kind of silkscreening or outright printing company, I hereby publicly state that he/she is welcome to BE MY GUEST(s)!  Make'em in T's and maybe even a few quality name-brand Polos too (which I myself would buy) and do with the rest what you want.  I'll provide the .JPEG file even!

I guess it'd make for an interesting "complete set" feeling for some of the Chammie owners who bought all four accessories - and now they'd have the shirts, too:

"Been there, done that, even got the T-shirt..." :laughing6:

So, any takers? :dontknow:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Rudi on February 05, 2006, 12:14:47 PM
. . . then the coffee mugs . . . then the belt buckles . . .
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on February 05, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
Hmmmm.  Thats an interesting offer Charlie :thumbup: Would you mind sending me the jpeg?  Errrr I do have a silk screen machine.  Unfortunately havent used it for ages.  Who knows  :dontknow: :evil6: :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: fläshgreëniè on February 05, 2006, 12:34:18 PM
and next year we can branch off into sex toys, The Chammie Dildo perhaps   :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 05, 2006, 03:13:13 PM
For you flashgreenie?  Well Well.....  (seriously that is a bit over the top).

There are also the Cafe website Charlie where you can submit the logo for mugs, cups, shirts, mouse pads, etc.  Then you get a portion of the profit - no commitment no work and no shipping.  Then users can select the items they want and deal with the companny direct.  If I remember, a nice coffee cup is around $10.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: gregw on February 05, 2006, 04:46:12 PM
Geologist,

I think you're referring to CafePress (http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/).    Sounds like a relatively painless way to have the Chameleon logo on a variety of stuff..   :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 05, 2006, 04:54:10 PM
That is exactly the one I was thinking about!  Thanks!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on February 05, 2006, 04:58:58 PM
Although I was only kidding in part about the T-shirts, I would love some BulkWare BulkWear. Charlie, that's what happens when you design such a cool logo for such cool products. The T-shirt thing has been goin' 'round my head since I got the LionHeart. Then, I was thinking paw prints and manes. Now, I'm thinking lizards.

Kukula,

If that gets done, you know who's going to be interested! Good luck. Maybe someone else has T-shirt connections as well?

Coffee mugs? Hmm, I don't drink coffee. Shot glasses! That's the ticket.  :thumbup:

How an adult toy or novelty got into the picture, I don't know.  :-[

Edit: That Cafe idea is awesome. Also, I'm going to commit sacrilege and EDC the Ti Chammie. I got it bad for that light. It went around in pocket last night, and wasn't too big or heavy. I love the beam from the reflector and the tritium. Chammie Fever, catch it...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Codeman on February 05, 2006, 05:07:43 PM
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Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: fläshgreëniè on February 05, 2006, 05:42:02 PM
For you flashgreenie?  Well Well.....  (seriously that is a bit over the top).

There are also the Cafe website Charlie where you can submit the logo for mugs, cups, shirts, mouse pads, etc.  Then you get a portion of the profit - no commitment no work and no shipping.  Then users can select the items they want and deal with the companny direct.  If I remember, a nice coffee cup is around $10.


my bad  :-[  Thought we can get more females into flashlights this way. Reminds me of a swiss ericsson ad for mobile phone a while ago when the silent vibrating feature on the mobile was new. It was cheekily suggested the mobile is something  a female's purse shouldn't be without...   8)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 05, 2006, 05:43:02 PM
Going only half OT - I would like to see the main page banner available on the cafepress items as well.  There is a nice wooden/tile box that they sell that looks like a perfect case for Mr. B lights!

As well I have thought about printing some business cards (just enough to carry a few in the pocket with the logo and the website) - that way when people are curious, I can just give them a card....
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 06, 2006, 04:32:54 AM
"Chammie Fever - catch it"

Hmmm...nice catch phrase for the T-shirt there, Torch-y.  Especially with a photo of the light on it somewhere...:thinking:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on February 06, 2006, 05:04:54 AM
Nice phrase indeed and very catchy :thumbup: Now if someone would be kind enough to come up with the design, i can surely print a few of these shirts. Say 20? And itll be gratis  :-[ :P
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on February 06, 2006, 05:09:20 AM
Nice phrase indeed and very catchy :thumbup: Now if someone would be kind enough to come up with the design, i can surely print a few of these shirts. Say 20? And itll be gratis  :-[ :P

Cool, free shirts.  Count me in!  XL please.   ;)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Lightstream on February 06, 2006, 08:26:19 AM
Me too!

Problem is that there are no more Chameleons, so even if someone else wanted to catch it, too late.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MR Bulk on February 06, 2006, 08:34:00 AM
We could always call'em the Chameleon Fever Antidote t-shirts...:evil6:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 06, 2006, 10:04:56 AM
Mr. B - pm sent!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Paper Lawyer on February 06, 2006, 11:06:22 AM
Yey!  airmail received this morning - how small are these chameleons?!!? :)  I can't wait to get home and pop a charged battery into it!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 06, 2006, 01:21:30 PM
I am hoping that I have a package waiting for me when I go to the Post Office in about an hour!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kukula on February 07, 2006, 01:02:29 AM
You lucky guys.  Why do i have a feeling ill be the last to receive my Chammies  :'( It normally takes around two weeks at leas for Global Priority Mail to reach me  :'(
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: kevindick on February 07, 2006, 02:43:06 AM
My Ti-Cham was waiting for me when I got home tonight.  It is awesome.  I can't say enough about how terrific it looks.  Great work Mr. B.

What's the precise window size?  I was thinking of getting a sapphire replacement to make it completely armored.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on February 07, 2006, 02:50:03 AM
Mine does pretty well in pocket as one of my EDCs. The bare alum. Cub has stayed home for a bit now. I'm so in love with the beam this reflector makes that it's worth the trade off in size. Someone mentioned Ti slim head and tube. Heh, heh, I'd be so in for that. I'm gonna cave and buy a 168a Ti tube for sure. I've been bitten by the Ti bug, and I'm having a reaction.
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MSaxatilus on February 07, 2006, 04:09:02 AM
Well, it was a good mail day today......a Ti Chamelion arrives safely in New Jersey (along with other goodies, hrrhumm!!!!   :D :D :) :D :D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/msaxatilus/Stuff.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/msaxatilus/2Cammies.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/msaxatilus/2Cammies2.jpg)

Well as usual my pics leave a bit to be desired, but I had to post something anyway.  I was very impressed with my original Chamelion Classic, but I have to admit that the Ti version is worth every penny over that light.  It is simply beautiful!  I couldn't be more happy with the way these turned out.  The logo on the tail is simply stunning!  I am very very thrilled.

Great job Charlie!! Many thanks to George and that HAT team for getting these fantasic lights put together so quickly for us.  For those of you that don't have one, I do feel for you.  I don't think you'll ever see one of these for sale on the B/S/T.  If you do, scarf it up at any cost.  They are truely a work of art!

MSax  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: nemul on February 07, 2006, 04:24:01 AM
MSaxatilus, the Ti-Chammie covered the best part of the 1 picture!!! Stacy Keibler is hot...
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: ernsanada on February 07, 2006, 04:24:11 AM
Please move the Ti Chammie, so I can see her okole. :D
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: MSaxatilus on February 07, 2006, 05:25:38 AM
I kindof did that on purpose guys.....  I thought this was a family site?!?!?  ;)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on February 07, 2006, 05:27:17 AM
Yeah, bad location of the Ti Chammie in that photo.   :laughing7:

My Ti Chammie arrived in today!  It is so sweet.  This is one big chunk o' titanium.  Heavy little sucker, too.  The logo is very cool - better in person than in photos.  I've already switched out the blue button cover with the black.  Did you all notice that Charlie slipped an extra black one into the battery tube?  It was dropped into the bottom, down there by the gold-plated spring.

As a very lucky owner of the Big 3 (Ti Chameleon, Ti Cub, Ti McLux), I must say I like the Ti Chameleon best of all.  It's bigger and heavier, but that's what's cool about it.  This is the first candidate that has a legitimate chance of overtaking EDC Position No. 1, currently held by the brass Cub.

Very happy to have it and I can't thank Charlie, George, and the HAT enough.  Thanks fellas.   :thumbup:  
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: wallyrulz on February 07, 2006, 06:01:02 AM
Yeah, bad location of the Ti Chammie in that photo.   :laughing7:

My Ti Chammie arrived in today!  It is so sweet.  This is one big chunk o' titanium.  Heavy little sucker, too. 

Well in that case, we wouldn't want you straining yourself and messing up that handsome look you got going.  I will do my my part and take that Heavy little sucker off of your hands. :D  I know, I know, no thanks necessary, just doing my part.  :thumbup:

Nice timing btw, you'll be able to show it off at SHOT. . . just don't show it to any cpfers, we wouldn't want them to be exposed to any undue danger!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: arewethereyetdad on February 07, 2006, 06:04:13 AM
Yeah, bad location of the Ti Chammie in that photo.   :laughing7:

My Ti Chammie arrived in today!  It is so sweet.  This is one big chunk o' titanium.  Heavy little sucker, too. 

Well in that case, we wouldn't want you straining yourself and messing up that handsome look you got going.  I will do my my part and take that Heavy little sucker off of your hands. :D  I know, I know, no thanks necessary, just doing my part.  :thumbup:

Nice timing btw, you'll be able to show it off at SHOT. . . just don't show it to any cpfers, we wouldn't want them to be exposed to any undue danger!

Yeah, I am just a wee bit concerned that the CPF holdouts will suddenly realize the error of their ways in having avoided FF for all this time.  The quality of the Ti Chameleon is going to be a painful reminder for them.   :evil6:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on February 07, 2006, 06:33:15 AM
Yeah, bad location of the Ti Chammie in that photo.   :laughing7:

  I've already switched out the blue button cover with the black.  Did you all notice that Charlie slipped an extra black one into the battery tube?  It was dropped into the bottom, down there by the gold-plated spring.


No, actually I didn't notice it. Mongo grab light, throw in charged battery and go. I'll have a look for it.  :-[
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Geologist on February 07, 2006, 08:53:07 AM
No Ti light for me yesterday -

no time to check today (Tuesday) or even possibly tommorow either - I am always busier on my days off with honeydoos..... We will see - But it should arrive in the next couple days.

Notice how the camera in the above post chose to focus on the magazine????  This is a flashaholic site - gotta stay focused!  ;)

All these comments are great! It just increases the excitement!  Can't wait to see the looks on some faces at SHOT when you whip that puppy out!
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Lightstream on February 07, 2006, 10:28:28 AM
tsk tsk..

The STUFF you people read, heheheh...or are you trying to say that the Ti Cham is better than the "best part" of the picture? :rotflmao:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on February 08, 2006, 03:23:28 AM
tsk tsk..

The STUFF you people read, heheheh...or are you trying to say that the Ti Cham is better than the "best part" of the picture? :rotflmao:

That's like comparing apples and oranges, or peaches and kiwi.  :D
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: Lightstream on February 08, 2006, 04:17:54 AM
tsk tsk..

The STUFF you people read, heheheh...or are you trying to say that the Ti Cham is better than the "best part" of the picture? :rotflmao:

That's like comparing apples and oranges, or peaches and kiwi.  :D

And the flashaholic says, have both! :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: dmdrewitt on December 10, 2009, 07:44:13 PM
Some great pictures on Page 1 of this thread!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: bean337 on April 17, 2010, 05:43:41 PM
I thank for the information that you brought about.

digital catalogues (http://pro.yudu.com/catalogs/index.php)
ink cartridge (http://www.asapinkjets.com/)
Title: Re: FIRST PICS - Titanium Chameleons
Post by: TorchMan on July 27, 2010, 01:32:30 AM
I don't have any pics, but I still have my light. It lives by my bedside, with it's trusty green tritium up, for locating it and the switch!